It's very competitive, has small class size, and based upon stats, and given the free tuition they're offering, AND being in CA, I normally only recommend it to people from CA.
???? Because what percent of the class is from CA, as compared to other CA schools? Do you normally recommend all CA schools only to people from CA? I'm sure the odds are low for everyone, due to the small class size and the free tuition, but is there really a bigger CA bias here than at other CA schools, or is that not a factor in your recommendation?
Their class was quite geographically diverse. Competitive students from anywhere should apply for this jackpot of an Acceptance.
How many from CA???
According to the website, half were from CA, half OOS. 25/25.
I lean to the cautious side upon reading this. What do you think?
I’m always on the cautious side when it comes to med school apps. Fighting for 25 spots is tough. Especially when you look at the schools they accepted students from and see that most of them are ivies, ivy-esques (Stanford, NYU, Chicago), and UCs. If you’re a non-ivy OOSer, I would spend my time and money on a more likely secondary.
Doesn't make sense at all!
No. If your goal is to stay in SoCal I'd say Kaiser is a fantastic option.
Odds for OOS are still Significantly better than winning $400k in a lottery.
Yes their secondary was only $50, but if winning the lottery is going to be your only criteria, then you might as well apply to NYU too while you’re at it. The fact of the matter remains that if you’re a non-ivy OOS white or Asian kid with a 3.7/512, you probably don’t have a shot at one of the 25 spots they have. If you spend all your time on unlikely secondaries, then you turn in your friendlier OOS schools’ secondaries later and potentially forego your better chances. Applicants’ priorities should be getting into ANY medical school since only 40% of people achieve that feat, and those chances are maximized by applying correctly. That being said, if you have a 518/3.9, or you went ivy, or you are URM with decent stats, then shoot your shot! But I’m speaking to the average applicant who wastes their time and money on crazy reaches with few seats.
Very fair points, and I am not normally in the business of defending @proudofmykids, especially because I think it's ridiculous to analogize med school admissions to a random lottery. That said, there are worse ways to spend $50 than to take a shot, however unlikely, at a free medical school education. Not to the exclusion of friendlier secondaries, but as an additional application. If they take even one white or Asian applicant with less than spectacular stats (and I'm sure they have) there is no reason it can't be you. Unless, of course, you don't apply!
I don't think it would hold you back.
Must be Halloween special
Just wait until tomorrow, when the spooky fun will really begin!!Must be Halloween special
There is a very key difference you are overlooking when you say 'might as well shoot your shot at NYU too.'
Pretty bad memory!
NYU's median is 522. EVERYONE would have to have a 522 for their 10%-ile to be 521! For the record, it's 516.Use your own threshold for debt tolerance. If zero aid at ivy, most would say no brainier choose Kaiser over $400k debt. Some would say same for 1/2 tuition at Ivy which would still be $266k debt.
Nope. I don't believe it. How did your daughter do last year? Do you really think it was blind luck, and that it could have been her, or any random 4 out of 5 applicants, at each of the schools? Have you or anyone in your family every been that lucky before in anything in your lives?
Pretty bad memory!
MSAR hasn't published Kaiser data yet, so I'm not sure where that comes from. Given that NYU has twice as many spots, with an MCAT that's a few points higher, your shot would probably be the same at both (around 0% with a 510, and progressively higher from there).
Also, not to nitpick, but while around 50,000 people apply every year, around 70,000 people every year take the test. So 98%-ile puts you in the top 1,400, not 1,000! The 20,000 people taking the test and not applying every year are NOT the top 2%!
I dont recall the geographic difference between acceptance and Geo. For higher stat applicants and those also accepted into Ivies like your scenario,I truly be believe Geo played very little difference in the end decisions ofmwhere to matriculate. First order was definitely debt load. Realize that full-need based fin aid stidents would likely reduce risk and attend the established higher reputation school if receiving large aid from them. Also factoring into the decision is desired area of specialization for residency. More competitive residencies would also raise the desirability of the established schools' track record.
MSAR data is usually very good. If there are discrepancies, it's because they are typically a year behind. They will be updating soon, and the new data will be for the last cycle, the data Dean Rivera shared with you months ago. The data we have available now is for the year before that.
Certainly you don't think I implied full randomness? (and really I first broughtupmLottery more to demonstrate the odds). I mentioned which way the piles fell, each of those piles do have tremendous differentiation within them, it's just that there are still too many over qualified students for each individualmschool to offer the Acceptance. Do remember, that there is a ton of movement of off wait lists leading to acceptances at the Top 10 and 20 schools! Way moremthsn the average person would think. But during last cycle I tried to provide comfort to those v. high stat students to be optimistic. I'm going to stay with my 50k representation of tyoicaomyesr mcst takers... THere are only about 3000 students who matriculate at T20 school. Most of those who got Acceptances prior to PTE and CTE dates, heavily correlate to Stats. Top 3 percent wouldn't come close to filling all spots. Plus there are reduced high stat spots for non high stat desirable URM, military and athletes to get accepted. So in the beginning out of the top high stat pool of X students, maybe the Top 20 programs only offered acceptances to 1500 most outstanding applicant- w/ high stats, leaving X-2000 to CTE so the individual school could then make a lot of WL acdeptances. Definitely not full randomness, but certainly many strong stat qualified candidates to choose from in the end. Top 10 percent still creates a very challenging pool to whittle down for first pass acceptance to T20,hence randomness analogy.Nope. I don't believe it. How did your daughter do last year? Do you really think it was blind luck, and that it could have been her, or any random 4 out of 5 applicants, at each of the schools? Have you or anyone in your family every been that lucky before in anything in your lives?
You should be "proud of your kid" because what she achieved was a genuine accomplishment, not a result of blind luck after weeding out the unqualified 20%. And of the unlucky 60%, only 1/3 of them were unqualified, and the rest just had really bad luck, everywhere?
I don't mean to suggest that everyone who is rejected could not be successful in med school. But I am definitely saying that, other than at the margins, admissions is not a random lottery as you are suggesting.
