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What are your thoughts on these programs, I'm having some trouble ranking them. I am from Cali and plan on practicing there in the future, most likely want to do academia but not sure.

BID, UTSW, MIR, Mayo, USC, Wisconsin, Emory, Columbia, Maryland, Yale, UC Irvine, UC Davis

1-2 is toss up between BID and UTSW, really liked both places and both location, i guess it's just choosing to be cold or warm at this point? UTSW has better volume and it's up and coming, BID has the harvard name attached though being next to BWH/MGH... Perhaps UTSW is better for getting back into Cali? No idea...
3-4 is toss up between Mayo and MIR, I loved Mayo when i visited but it's Rochester, St. Louis isn't that much better and I suppose Minneapolis is close to Rochester if I ever wanted to get out and have fun.

The rest I would presumably rank in this order
USC
Wisconsin
Maryland / Columbia
Emory
UC Irvine
UC Davis
Yale
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Those are all great programs, I guess location will be the deciding factor between 1-2, but BID might have a better rep just bc it carries the Harvard name though I'm sure going to either will give you opportunities to go back to Cali for fellowship. As for Mayo, many people I met on the trail loved it but it's Rochester... MIR is an amazing place to train and one of the best, though I have heard that it can be malignant, not sure how true that is.

Going to just post here too instead of starting a new thread, what do people think about these 8 programs, I loved them all and I am having an extremely difficult time ranking them

Stanford, UCSF, UCLA, UCSD, Univ of Washington, Northwestern, BWH, Cornell (I actually loved Cornell the most, but not sure if I can handle the cold... and rep wise the other ones are better for academia?)

Thanks in advance.
 
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Are you interested in private practice or academics? Harvard name from the 2-3 best radiology residency in Boston means less in private practice unless you're interested in the Northeast.

On that note, what is the call like at BID? What type of volumes do the residents read there, and are the residents ready for private practice volume when they leave? Perhaps they are but I was just wondering.
 
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You say you want to practice in California. Pretty dumb career move to leave California during the time you are forming all of your career related connections. To begin with there is no such thing as residency rankings. To end with there is no such thing as a job match. You will have to compete hard to come back. It's not impossible, it just won't be easy.
 
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Quetiapine said:
What are your thoughts on these programs, I'm having some trouble ranking them. I am from Cali and plan on practicing there in the future, most likely want to do academia but not sure.

BID, UTSW, MIR, Mayo, USC, Wisconsin, Emory, Columbia, Maryland, Yale, UC Irvine, UC Davis

1-2 is toss up between BID and UTSW, really liked both places and both location, i guess it's just choosing to be cold or warm at this point? UTSW has better volume and it's up and coming, BID has the harvard name attached though being next to BWH/MGH... Perhaps UTSW is better for getting back into Cali? No idea...
3-4 is toss up between Mayo and MIR, I loved Mayo when i visited but it's Rochester, St. Louis isn't that much better and I suppose Minneapolis is close to Rochester if I ever wanted to get out and have fun.

The rest I would presumably rank in this order
USC
Wisconsin
Maryland / Columbia
Emory
UC Irvine
UC Davis
Yale
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California is its own island when it comes to job hunt. The same for NYC and few other places. Look at the job advertisements. Very few jobs are advertised in NYC or San Diego. And I bet the advertised ones are the very bad ones. Jobs come through connections esp in these islands. Connection doesn't need to be in state. For example, a group in Long beach may have a close connection with Hopkins and get fellows from there. But rule of thumb is that mostly the connections are local.

Rank only based on reputation (= finding a job in academics):
MIR> BID=U of Wisconsin (not medical college of Wisconsin) > Mayo rocehster > Emory=Columbia >UTSW = Maryland = Yale > USC >UC Irvine>= UC Davis

Rank base on PRIVATE PRACTICE job placement in california:
USC> UC IRvine= UC Davis > the rest > community programs in California like Harbor or Cedar
 
Can't understand the UTSW poo-pooing here. UTSW worse than Emory? Equal to Maryland and Yale? I'd put it more on par with Mayo, Wisconsin, and BID.
 
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Can't understand the UTSW poo-pooing here. UTSW worse than Emory? Equal to Maryland and Yale? I'd put it more on par with Mayo, Wisconsin, and BID.
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Seems like shark2000 is not sure or is purposely posting false information about several programs. I am resident at a top tier program and have friends at several other top tier programs such as UTSW. In terms of academic rep. UTSW is by farrr better than BID, Mayo, of Wisconsin. Mayo in reality is considered more like a large scale top tier community program and that's why many applicants are not interviewed or don't rank this program highly. UTSW=Emory=Colubmia, now come on, seriously? That's a joke, these programs are not even close. In reality it's like UTSW>>>Emory>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Columbia. I would put UTSW on par with Johns Hopkins, B&W, and other top programs. Not sure why so many applicants are even paying attention to trolls. UTSW has recently hired a lot of heavy weights. Their research is top notch and getting better. About 4-5 programs or institutions have Tesla 7 T magnet and UTSW is among them. They have one of the largest research buildings in the entire US. They have two $ billion dollar hospitals almost constructed with several very large scale research buildings in development. In terms of academics it's on par with MIR, JHU, and other top tier programs. In terms of volume and pathology, UTSW is among the top 2-3 in the US, no doubt about it.
 
fastracker333 said:
Seems like shark2000 is not sure or is purposely posting false information about several programs. I am resident at a top tier program and have friends at several other top tier programs such as UTSW. In terms of academic rep. UTSW is by farrr better than BID, Mayo, of Wisconsin. Mayo in reality is considered more like a large scale top tier community program and that's why many applicants are not interviewed or don't rank this program highly. UTSW=Emory=Colubmia, now come on, seriously? That's a joke, these programs are not even close. In reality it's like UTSW>>>Emory>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Columbia. I would put UTSW on par with Johns Hopkins, B&W, and other top programs. Not sure why so many applicants are even paying attention to trolls. UTSW has recently hired a lot of heavy weights. Their research is top notch and getting better. About 4-5 programs or institutions have Tesla 7 T magnet and UTSW is among them. They have one of the largest research buildings in the entire US. They have two $ billion dollar hospitals almost constructed with several very large scale research buildings in development. In terms of academics it's on par with MIR, JHU, and other top tier programs. In terms of volume and pathology, UTSW is among the top 2-3 in the US, no doubt about it.
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Found the UTSW resident 😉
 
maxxor said:
Found the UTSW resident 😉
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Not a resident at UTSW. Actually I am at Stanford. I have a friend there and have visited the place several times, therefore know a lot about the program. Just setting the record straight, since a lot of trolls are posting some serious nonsense here lately.
 
Imaging said:
Those are all great programs, I guess location will be the deciding factor between 1-2, but BID might have a better rep just bc it carries the Harvard name though I'm sure going to either will give you opportunities to go back to Cali for fellowship. As for Mayo, many people I met on the trail loved it but it's Rochester... MIR is an amazing place to train and one of the best, though I have heard that it can be malignant, not sure how true that is.

Going to just post here too instead of starting a new thread, what do people think about these 8 programs, I loved them all and I am having an extremely difficult time ranking them

Stanford, UCSF, UCLA, UCSD, Univ of Washington, Northwestern, BWH, Cornell (I actually loved Cornell the most, but not sure if I can handle the cold... and rep wise the other ones are better for academia?)

Thanks in advance.
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I am a resident at Stanford so I will be biased. Stanford probably has the best research out of the the top cali programs. Volume is going up here, and with the construction of the new hospital it will further go up. Our residents recently won several RSNA awards. I am not big on research but know some co-residents involved in MRI research doing some cool stuff. Fellowship match is pretty good here. Our IR program is considered to be one of the top ones. In terms of weather winters are milder here. Great place to train if your ultimate goal is academics. I would say Stanford=UCSF>UCLA>UCSD>UW>>>>NW>>>>Cornell.
 
fastracker333 said:
Not a resident at UTSW. Actually I am at Stanford. I have a friend there and have visited the place several times, therefore know a lot about the program. Just setting the record straight, since a lot of trolls are posting some serious nonsense here lately.
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If you're referring to shark2000 as a troll, you are WAYYYYYYYY off-base, pal. Shark has done more for folks on this forum than just about anyone else. I know nothing about UTSW, so I can't make any statements in that regard, but I'd be careful throwing around accusations of trollery, since you clearly haven't done your homework.
 
Puff-of-Snow Sign said:
If you're referring to shark2000 as a troll, you are WAYYYYYYYY off-base, pal. Shark has done more for folks on this forum than just about anyone else. I know nothing about UTSW, so I can't make any statements in that regard, but I'd be careful throwing around accusations of trollery, since you clearly haven't done your homework.
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Sounds like shark again. When someone for example says SUNY Dowstate is better than MGH, that equates to being a "troll", no doubt about it. Therefore you need to check facts FIRST not fiction FIRST before accusing someone of not doing their homework. Consistent program bashing as such really is trolling and WAYYYYYYYYYYYY off-base.
 
fastracker333 said:
Sounds like shark again. When someone for example says SUNY Dowstate is better than MGH, that equates to being a "troll", no doubt about it. Therefore you need to check facts FIRST not fiction FIRST before accusing someone of not doing their homework. Consistent program bashing as such really is trolling and WAYYYYYYYYYYYY off-base.

UTSW>>>Emory>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Columbia
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When someone puts >>>>>>>>>>>> for any program, he is for sure BSing. Even MGH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worst radiology program is a total BS. If you read my other posts, I always said that other than few exceptions, doing residency in UCLA versus Emory versus UTSW is not that much different. If you think they teach you to read SLAP tear >>>>>>>>>>>>>> better in UTSW than Columbia or Mayo, go for it. Good luck.

Having a 7 T magnet in their research department means nothing. Though there is not any official ranking, putting UTSW in top 2-3 is not correct. It is a great program, but do you put it above MGH or BWH or Hopkins or MIR or UPenn or Duke that it is the top 2-3?
 
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Back to my ranking:
Back to my rankings: MIR> BID=U of Wisconsin (not medical college of Wisconsin) > Mayo rocehster > Emory=Columbia >UTSW = Maryland = Yale > USC >UC Irvine>= UC Davis

MIR: Mallinckrodt is clearly a powerhouse of radiology. Has one of the best reputations in academics. As I said before, in pp people don't care that much about name brand. Bad location.

BID: Harvard name. Top notch body department. Is over-shadowed by MGH and BWH. Very good reputation in academics. You are almost guaranteed a fellowship in MGH or BWH from here.

U of Wisconsin: A little off the radar. One of the best radiology departments in the country. Underrated. One of the best MSK fellowships. One of the best Body fellowships. Very good IR. The do crazy number of MSK and body procedures.

Mayo: Mayo has a very good name in academics and pp. Great referral. Every clinician considers it a top notch education.

Emory: Excellent IR department. Very good Neuro. Very good Mammo department.

Columbia: Has a good academic reputation in NE.

From here below, all programs are really good. But all of them have local reputation. None have national recognition.

UTSW: Good reputation in Texas. If you look for an attending position in Boston or DC or LA or SF or Seattle, nobody gets excited about it. Not any top notch fellowships.

Maryland: Top notch chest department. Good reputation locally. Overshadowed by Hopkins. Other than chest, not any top notch fellowships.

Yale: A little over-rated because of Yale name. Very good IR department. Heard some rumors recently about it. Outside IR, not any top notch fellowships.

USC, UC-Irvine and Davis have good local reputation. USC has a very good IR program.


This post does not mean to really rank the programs. Other than MIR, others will not give you a huge edge over the other. Go for location.
 
Imaging said:
Those are all great programs, I guess location will be the deciding factor between 1-2, but BID might have a better rep just bc it carries the Harvard name though I'm sure going to either will give you opportunities to go back to Cali for fellowship. As for Mayo, many people I met on the trail loved it but it's Rochester... MIR is an amazing place to train and one of the best, though I have heard that it can be malignant, not sure how true that is.

Going to just post here too instead of starting a new thread, what do people think about these 8 programs, I loved them all and I am having an extremely difficult time ranking them

Stanford, UCSF, UCLA, UCSD, Univ of Washington, Northwestern, BWH, Cornell (I actually loved Cornell the most, but not sure if I can handle the cold... and rep wise the other ones are better for academia?)

Thanks in advance.
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Very tough decision. You are not going wrong with any of them. Go for location. The locations are so different that I am pretty sure everybody has some preference.

UCSF = BWH > Stanford >= UCLA, UCSD, NW > Cornell = U of Wash

Long story short probably only UCSF and BWH have a small edge over the others. You should be a very competitive applicant with all these interviews and you will do great in any of them.

The only caveat: Some markets esp California, Boston and NY are relatively close to outsiders. California even has some sort of split between south and north. This is less in Chicago and Seattle. It is hard to break into SF or San Diego market if you are even from MGH. You can always find a job in bay area or San Diego if you are from MGH, but the best ones go to local people. The same for Boston market and being from UCSF. So if you think that you want to live in Boston in the future, definitely go for BWH. If San Diego or LA, definitely go for UCLA or UCSD.

Now I know that someone will jump in and say that I am trolling because UW or cornell are >>>>>>>>>>>> than BWH.
 
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Shark is pretty much on the money by the way. If you know ahead of time where you want to practice, the statement that should really hit home is that the best and highest paying jobs go to the local applicants.
 
shark2000 said:
Very tough decision. You are not going wrong with any of them. Go for location. The locations are so different that I am pretty sure everybody has some preference.

UCSF = BWH > Stanford >= UCLA, UCSD, NW > Cornell = U of Wash

Long story short probably only UCSF and BWH have a small edge over the others. You should be a very competitive applicant with all these interviews and you will do great in any of them.

The only caveat: Some markets esp California, Boston and NY are relatively close to outsiders. California even has some sort of split between south and north. This is less in Chicago and Seattle. It is hard to break into SF or San Diego market if you are even from MGH. You can always find a job in bay area or San Diego if you are from MGH, but the best ones go to local people. The same for Boston market and being from UCSF. So if you think that you want to live in Boston in the future, definitely go for BWH. If San Diego or LA, definitely go for UCLA or UCSD.

Now I know that someone will jump in and say that I am trolling because UW or cornell are >>>>>>>>>>>> than BWH.
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I did not even read you trollish posts. You sound like a FMG with very poor grammar and English. Only a person with zero IQ will believe Cornell= U of Wash because they are not even close, and Columbia is better than so many top level schools, what a mega joke, LOLLL. Unfortunately you can't even understand what I wrote, that's how bad your mental abilities are. A person your age shouldn't be wasting their time trolling Stanford and other top schools, get a life man.
 
shark2000 said:
Back to my ranking:
Back to my rankings: MIR> BID=U of Wisconsin (not medical college of Wisconsin) > Mayo rocehster > Emory=Columbia >UTSW = Maryland = Yale > USC >UC Irvine>= UC Davis

MIR: Mallinckrodt is clearly a powerhouse of radiology. Has one of the best reputations in academics. As I said before, in pp people don't care that much about name brand. Bad location.

BID: Harvard name. Top notch body department. Is over-shadowed by MGH and BWH. Very good reputation in academics. You are almost guaranteed a fellowship in MGH or BWH from here.

U of Wisconsin: A little off the radar. One of the best radiology departments in the country. Underrated. One of the best MSK fellowships. One of the best Body fellowships. Very good IR. The do crazy number of MSK and body procedures.

Mayo: Mayo has a very good name in academics and pp. Great referral. Every clinician considers it a top notch education.

Emory: Excellent IR department. Very good Neuro. Very good Mammo department.

Columbia: Has a good academic reputation in NE.

From here below, all programs are really good. But all of them have local reputation. None have national recognition.

UTSW: Good reputation in Texas. If you look for an attending position in Boston or DC or LA or SF or Seattle, nobody gets excited about it. Not any top notch fellowships.

Maryland: Top notch chest department. Good reputation locally. Overshadowed by Hopkins. Other than chest, not any top notch fellowships.

Yale: A little over-rated because of Yale name. Very good IR department. Heard some rumors recently about it. Outside IR, not any top notch fellowships.

USC, UC-Irvine and Davis have good local reputation. USC has a very good IR program.


This post does not mean to really rank the programs. Other than MIR, others will not give you a huge edge over the other. Go for location.
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To Rads applicants stop reading this troll aka "shark2000" because going to BID will gurantee you NOT getting a fellowship at MGH or BWH. I personally know people at MGH who vehemently hate BID because it has the Harvard lipstick without the substance, a known fact. Emory has almost lost their entire IR faculty. BID's entire body faculty left for other places, old news. Man you have not idea about programs, stop trolling, seriously!
 
fastracker333 said:
I did not even read you trollish posts. You sound like a FMG with very poor grammar and English. Only a person with zero IQ will believe Cornell= U of Wash because they are not even close, and Columbia is better than so many top level schools, what a mega joke, LOLLL. Unfortunately you can't even understand what I wrote, that's how bad your mental abilities are. A person your age shouldn't be wasting their time trolling Stanford and other top schools, get a life man.
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I moved to this country before med school and did premed and med school here. May not speak a native English, but during 10 years of medical training and now in pp, nobody has even mentioned it to me. People including my colleagues and my patients are fine with it.

Your post is very incoherent and pathologic, an echo of your internal misery. Try to find a way to get along with your misery.
 
Dude are we turning into AuntMinnie over here? Rank where you want to go, and follow your heart :prof:
 
shark2000 said:
I moved to this country before med school and did premed and med school here. May not speak a native English, but during 10 years of medical training and now in pp, nobody has even mentioned it to me. People including my colleagues and my patients are fine with it.

Your post is very incoherent and pathologic, an echo of your internal misery. Try to find a way to get along with your misery.
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More than evident even earlier, but you made it clear you are a FMG who trained at a low tier community program. Honestly you have no clue about programs, so stop churning out jibberish, because only a fool your age will argue with med students and residents. Focus on your career which seems like you have none and not trolling, just a word of advice!
 
fastracker333 said:
More than evident even earlier, but you made it clear you are a FMG who trained at a low tier community program. Honestly you have no clue about programs, so stop churning out jibberish, because only a fool your age will argue with med students and residents. Focus on your career which seems like you have none and not trolling, just a word of advice!
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I personally don't care about what you say to me. But you are stealing the discussion. Here the question was about programs and not about whether I am troll, fool, IQ=zero, FMG, from low tier community program, ....

I don't know what are you intentions. But apparently you have severe mental issues.
 
fastracker333 said:
More than evident even earlier, but you made it clear you are a FMG who trained at a low tier community program. Honestly you have no clue about programs, so stop churning out jibberish, because only a fool your age will argue with med students and residents. Focus on your career which seems like you have none and not trolling, just a word of advice!
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Fasttracker, Shark clearly puts thought into his responses and a lot of us appreciate his opinions, right or wrong. He's clearly not trolling; Shark's been posting here forever and prefaced his comments by saying that all the programs he described are very good. I know you're only trying to help dispel what you think is misinformation, but these personal attacks are going to make others on this forum more reluctant to post their thoughts (as well as make reading this forum very unpleasant). Most med students don't know jack about what makes programs different, and it's helpful to hear from residents/attendings, even if it's only to hear them say there is no significant difference between most well-known academic institutions, and we should just go where we'd like to live.
 
Quick, someone jump in and tell us how we're all idiots for wanting to be radiologists because of the job market. Hospitalists > radiologists. Also, protected study time. Also, the ABR is evil. There, now it's Aunt Minnie.
 
maxxor said:
Where's the mods? Without good moderation, we will turn into the auntminnie doomfest.
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I at least witnessed one post on AM get removed, but it was a post claiming a program director at a specific program leveraged his power to make a female resident as his personal mistress. Yeah. SDN has a long way to go to become AM yet.
 
Kaputt said:
I at least witnessed one post on AM get removed, but it was a post claiming a program director at a specific program leveraged his power to make a female resident as his personal mistress. Yeah. SDN has a long way to go to become AM yet.
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As a late applicant to radiology, it's funny how on the interview trail the residents all say stuff like "what are the rumors you've heard on AuntMinnie about us?". I can't really say I ever go to auntminnie. Was it that popular just 1-2 years ago? It seems like everyone talks about it, but the few times I've ventured onto the board, it's so toxic that I haven't bothered to make an account.
 
maxxor said:
As a late applicant to radiology, it's funny how on the interview trail the residents all say stuff like "what are the rumors you've heard on AuntMinnie about us?". I can't really say I ever go to auntminnie. Was it that popular just 1-2 years ago? It seems like everyone talks about it, but the few times I've ventured onto the board, it's so toxic that I haven't bothered to make an account.
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Don't you have to make an account to view the forums? At least the forums are not viewable to me unless I make an account, maybe you know a secret I don't haha
 
maxxor said:
As a late applicant to radiology, it's funny how on the interview trail the residents all say stuff like "what are the rumors you've heard on AuntMinnie about us?". I can't really say I ever go to auntminnie. Was it that popular just 1-2 years ago? It seems like everyone talks about it, but the few times I've ventured onto the board, it's so toxic that I haven't bothered to make an account.
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Yeah, if you look at the old review threads, there was tons of activity in 2008-2010, then activity started dropping off. As it got more toxic (and as lots of accounts started flooding the forums with job prospect doom and gloom), people just stopped using the medical student forum. Some very successful trolls effectively killed those forums.
 
Shark,

Appreciated your insight on programs listed above. What are your thoughts on other southeast programs... Wake, UNC, MUSC, Vandy?

Thanks
 
Duke and UVA are probably the best south programs. Both are excellent ones.

I don't have any specific internal news about the programs that you mentioned.

Again, I give my usual opinion. I will rank like this:
1- MGH, BWH, Hopkins, UCSF, MIR, UPenn and Duke
2- Other big or midsize university programs and some big community programs
3- small univ programs and community programs.

And then in each category, I choose based on location and how I like a program. Honestly, there is not a significant difference between programs in each category and even category one and two. People may argue forever that program A is better than program B, but in practice it does not make that much difference. If you go to category one, you have a better chance for an academic job. Category one and two probably have better chances to land a good job in competitive markets (along with regional biases and connections) and also may provide you with better education. Category one definitely gives you better research opportunities.

Good Luck.
 
What range of step 1 scores do you suppose the following program accepts on average? Are they all 240+? Thanks for your insight

Yale
Columbia
Cornell
Sinai
Brigham
Pennsylvania Hospital of UPenn (Pennsy, not UPenn)
 
wheewer said:
What range of step 1 scores do you suppose the following program accepts on average? Are they all 240+? Thanks for your insight

Yale
Columbia
Cornell
Sinai
Brigham
Pennsylvania Hospital of UPenn (Pennsy, not UPenn)
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Yes.
 
wheewer said:
What range of step 1 scores do you suppose the following program accepts on average? Are they all 240+? Thanks for your insight

Yale
Columbia
Cornell
Sinai
Brigham
Pennsylvania Hospital of UPenn (Pennsy, not UPenn)
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As an average, yes. I know people with 230s who got invites to Yale and Pennsy. The exact numbers will vary with how competitive your application cycle is, which you won't know until after you apply. Don't limit yourself.
 
I assume you want to practice in CA because you like licing there. So why not start living there sooner instead of 4 or 5 years from now. You only livery once. Rank CA high and move on.
 
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