The amount of pretentiousness and egoism in the comments is infuriating. lol
I would like to respectfully disagree. I believe that dental school is harder to get into/more competitive. But as you said, who cares? We should all do what makes us happy and in a field where we can happily be productive members of society.These arguments are so silly... look, you are lying to yourself if you say dental school is just as easy to get into as medical school. Its not. Not for MD school anyways. Those students' GPAs are higher, research is stronger, MCAT is tougher than DAT (sorry, but this is true)... the list goes on. BUT, who cares? Why compare the two? Hopefully you went into dentistry because you want to become a dentist, not because you couldn't get into med school. Getting a PhD is less competitive than getting into med school, but no one cares because those people want to be researchers. Dental school is less competitive than med school, but no one cares because you should want to be a dentist.
And look, ask any dental student who takes the CBSE (equivalent to USMLE Step 1) for OMFS residency. They will all tell you that med school is WAY harder than dental school. The amount of material they learn is absolutely insane, there is ZERO comparison. They know more than us because they need to know more than us.
But like I said, who cares?
Dental school is definitely easier to get into. The MCAT is a beast of a test way harder than the DAT. Someone I know studied and got a 506 MCAT and then a 23 DAT. A 506 is not a good score while 23 is. Their GPAs also need to be higher. If you're competitive for med school you'll get into soooo many dental schools. More research, more volunteering, more shadowing, more scrutiny.
None of this matters though unless you're attracted to prestige. I think the lifestyle and work that dentists do is more favorable.
yes. getting into medical school is definitely on a league of its own. But they've normalized that difficulty, and any field that is not as competitive=a joke to them.
For instance, IIRC a majority of law schools have >25% acceptance rate. Does that mean I should scoff at law students and consider them beneath me? no
Actually most OMFS residents say that dental school is harder than medical school.These arguments are so silly... look, you are lying to yourself if you say dental school is just as easy to get into as medical school. Its not. Not for MD school anyways. Those students' GPAs are higher, research is stronger, MCAT is tougher than DAT (sorry, but this is true)... the list goes on. BUT, who cares? Why compare the two? Hopefully you went into dentistry because you want to become a dentist, not because you couldn't get into med school. Getting a PhD is less competitive than getting into med school, but no one cares because those people want to be researchers. Dental school is less competitive than med school, but no one cares because you should want to be a dentist.
And look, ask any dental student who takes the CBSE (equivalent to USMLE Step 1) for OMFS residency. They will all tell you that med school is WAY harder than dental school. The amount of material they learn is absolutely insane, there is ZERO comparison. They know more than us because they need to know more than us.
But like I said, who cares?
This seems like a way to pass time until December 3rd.
I’m thankful the DAT didn’t have physics.
I wouldn't complain if it had physics lol.
Except this isn't really a fair comparison. After 4 years of dental school, you have taken courses in biochem, micro, systems, etc. You then take only 2-3 years of med school, and you have seen a lot of the material previously.Actually most OMFS residents say that dental school is harder than medical school.
That being said I agree with your post. It is definitely harder to get into med school, but it doesnt really matter as both are medical fields and attract different "crowds."
Except this isn't really a fair comparison. After 4 years of dental school, you have taken courses in biochem, micro, systems, etc. You then take only 2-3 years of med school, and you have seen a lot of the material previously.
Find me someone who did med school first and THEN dental school, I'm sure they would say med is harder.
Except this isn't really a fair comparison. After 4 years of dental school, you have taken courses in biochem, micro, systems, etc. You then take only 2-3 years of med school, and you have seen a lot of the material previously.
Find me someone who did med school first and THEN dental school, I'm sure they would say med is harder.
Well that's a baseless assumption because no one does medical school first. But for now I'll listen to the opinion of those that have gone to both and they all seem to think D school is harder (mainly due to volume.)Except this isn't really a fair comparison. After 4 years of dental school, you have taken courses in biochem, micro, systems, etc. You then take only 2-3 years of med school, and you have seen a lot of the material previously.
Find me someone who did med school first and THEN dental school, I'm sure they would say med is harder.
I’m thankful the DAT didn’t have physics.
I disagree with your statement because you disregarded the fact that dental students MUST practice their hand skills at the clinic ON TOP OF the basic science classes like biochem, micro, etc.
Sure, these didactic classes are harder at med school, but i think dental school curriculum is more intense than that of med school because of the hands-on clinical aspect of dentistry.
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Now, after having been to med school, I can see how different and better students are treated at a med school compared to a dental school. After my first week at med school I was like Holy **** is this how a health profession school is supposed to be like!? Talk about med students whining and being babied man, what a joke that is. Funny thing is they don't know nor can understand how good they actually have it.
"but i think dental school curriculum is more intense" dude wait till you are in d-school... I would 10000% rather be drilling out plastic teeth than trying to memorize the side effect profile of the sympathomimetic drugs. And I've done both.
Dental school didactics pale in comparison to the med school counterparts. My background is in dentistry. I've seen both sides, and sorry folks medicine is harder.
This question is from USMLE Step 1:
A 5-year-old boy is admitted to the hospital because of a 1-week history of fever and increasingly severe abdominal discomfort. At the age of 7 months, he was treated for osteomyelitis caused by Aspergillus fumigatus. He has been admitted to the hospital three times during the past 4 years for severe pneumonia. He appears moderately ill. His temperature is 39°C (102.2°F). Abdominal examination shows an enlarged, tender liver. Ultrasonography of the abdomen shows an intrahepatic abscess. Culture of the abscess fluid grows Staphylococcus aureus. Further analysis shows failure of the neutrophils to undergo an oxidative burst when exposed to S. aureus. This patient has an increased susceptibility to infection as a result of which of the following abnormalities?
(A) Deficient leukocyte production
(B) Failure of leukocytes to migrate between endothelial cells
(C) Failure of leukocytes to roll along the endothelial surface
(D) Inability of leukocytes to ingest microorganisms
(E) Inability of leukocytes to kill intracellular microorganisms
NBDE Part 1
The one calcified structure of a tooth incapable of continued growth after eruption is the
A. enamel.
B. dentin.
C. cementum.
D. true denticle
Dude, you don't want to compare clinical aspects of both fields. Please google "clinical clerkship". Med students' preclinical and clincial activities are way more demanding than ours. Regular 12 hour days on surgery, rounding every day from 5-6 AM, it got bad enough that the ACGME had to come in and cap things at 80 hours/week because there was evidence of poor patient care at higher hours.You're only comparing the didactic aspects of both fields, which is not a fair comparison lol.
Head to Head Combat- Medical/Dental SchoolsI would like to respectfully disagree. I believe that dental school is harder to get into/more competitive. But as you said, who cares? We should all do what makes us happy and in a field where we can happily be productive members of society.
But at UCSF interview we had one of the few woman DDS/MD oral surgeon in the country. She said that dental school was harder than medical school. She said something along the lines of in dental school you are learning how to use your hands and expected to be a dentists when you graduate while in medical school it is mostly critical thinking and then you learn actual practical skills in residency after medical school. She also said in dental school they barely gave time to study for the boards but in medical school they gave 8 weeks to study for it. She only studied for 2 weeks and took the rest of the 6 weeks to go on vacation.
Anyways as you can tell some students are applying for egos lol
Dude, you don't want to compare clinical aspects of both fields. Please google "clinical clerkship". Med students' preclinical and clincial activities are way more demanding than ours. Regular 12 hour days on surgery, rounding every day from 5-6 AM, it got bad enough that the ACGME had to come in and cap things at 80 hours/week because there was evidence of poor patient care at higher hours.
This doesn't need to be a pissing contest. I chose dentistry because I love the field and scope. I could care less that my medical colleagues work much harder to do something that is (in my eyes) more demanding, less interesting, and less rewarding.
i don't know but i feel you have to compare the two at different stages.
Preparing to Apply: Pre-Med students need higher GPA, actually need quality research, then of course shadowing/clinical exposure/volunteer. The MCAT, like mentioned above, is much more difficult than the DAT since they have more subjects to cover.
Actually Applying: I think pre-meds also have it harder since even though they have more programs, there are also way more applicants. Now these % chance will obviously depend on where you apply and your overall competitiveness. Keep in mind these are in "applications" not "applicants" which are completely different. Each applicant can potentially submitted multiple applications so the numbers are pretty skewed.
- roughly 850,000 MD applications for ~22,000 seats. (~3.88% chance)
- roughly 12,000 dental school applications for ~6000 seats. (~50% chance)
Once in school: Dental school is harder than medical school, at least for the first two years. Dental students have classes all day then have to go to lab to practice their hand skills. Hand skills don't come easy to everyone whereas cramming for the next test and memorizing information is like second nature.
At the end of the day, these two people are completely different. They each have their own unique qualities and career goals. We're all in the healthcare industry and our main focus should be to work together and effectively treat the patient back to optimal health. It's not a competition of titles.
i don't know but i feel you have to compare the two at different stages.
Preparing to Apply: Pre-Med students need higher GPA, actually need quality research, then of course shadowing/clinical exposure/volunteer. The MCAT, like mentioned above, is much more difficult than the DAT since they have more subjects to cover.
Actually Applying: I think pre-meds also have it harder since even though they have more programs, there are also way more applicants. Now these % chance will obviously depend on where you apply and your overall competitiveness. Keep in mind these are in "applications" not "applicants" which are completely different. Each applicant can potentially submitted multiple applications so the numbers are pretty skewed.
- roughly 850,000 MD applications for ~22,000 seats. (~3.88% chance)
- roughly 12,000 dental school applications for ~6000 seats. (~50% chance)
Once in school: Dental school is harder than medical school, at least for the first two years. Dental students have classes all day then have to go to lab to practice their hand skills. Hand skills don't come easy to everyone whereas cramming for the next test and memorizing information is like second nature.
At the end of the day, these two people are completely different. They each have their own unique qualities and career goals. We're all in the healthcare industry and our main focus should be to work together and effectively treat the patient back to optimal health. It's not a competition of titles.
I don’t think the 850k applicants is accurate. You added up the total number of applicants per school but we know that each med student applies to like 20+ schools.
Your source says “1849,678 is the number of applications from 52,777 applicants, an average of 16 applications per applicant.”
I’m just pointing that out because for Dental you mentioned number of applicants but for medical you mentioned total number of applications.
But I do agree with your point
your numbers are off. USMD schools had around ~53,000 unique applicants and ~22,000 matriculants. that's roughly a 40% applicant to enrollee ratio. That's not even including DO schools btw.
https://www.aamc.org/download/321442/data/factstablea1.pdf
I'm at one of those schools where you take your hand skills courses on top of med school (first two years we take all classes and tests together, same grade requirements, etc).I disagree with your statement because you disregarded the fact that dental students MUST practice their hand skills at the clinic ON TOP OF the basic science classes like biochem, micro, etc.
Sure, these didactic classes are harder at med school, but i think dental school curriculum is more intense than that of med school because of the hands-on clinical aspect of dentistry.
This is true, and few people talk about it.MCAT is much harder than DAT.
USMLE/COMLEX is much harder than NBDE.
Med school didactic classes are generally harder than their dental school counterparts.
Residency is mandatory in med school while it's optional in dental school.
Thank God for that. I don't need all that extra stress. Unlike them, I already know what I'm gonna be specializing in: dentistry. I don't need to waste time learning stuff I won't ever need.
Ask any medical specialist about areas of medicine outside of their specialty. They won't remember much. Learn everything only to eventually forget much of it, or just focus on your field from the start?
They have us working in dental labs from day one. We start treating patients in our third year. We don't just shadow residents and faculty. They're our patients.
That is to say, our third and fourth year + 1-2 years in practice are basically our residency. Dental residencies are our subspecialties.
Less time and less stress, with potential for more money and far greater autonomy. It's a no-brainer as long as you're truly interested in dentistry.
There are lots of women DDS-MD's. We have been graduating them for years. We have some on our attending staff. The gender gap in OMFS is disappearing. As in most of dentistry.But at UCSF interview we had one of the few woman DDS/MD oral surgeon in the country. She said that dental school was harder than medical school. She said something along the lines of in dental school you are learning how to use your hands and expected to be a dentists when you graduate while in medical school it is mostly critical thinking and then you learn actual practical skills in residency after medical school. She also said in dental school they barely gave time to study for the boards but in medical school they gave 8 weeks to study for it. She only studied for 2 weeks and took the rest of the 6 weeks to go on vacation.
Anyways as you can tell some students are applying for egos lol