Thoughts on UT Houston

[Chickenwing]

Hey everyone, I was just wondering if anyone had any insight into the program at UTH. I've tried to scour these message boards as much as possible to find some info, and have found some conflicting info. Obviously resources are aplenty in the Texas Medical center, and myself having an interest in heme-onc, its affiliation with MD Anderson is obviously very appealing....But, I just don't really hear much about this program considering its location/access to resources, and I was wondering if anyone knew more about the program in-terms of fellowship matches, resident well-being, resident demographics etc. Any insight is really appreciated!

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[Dr. Geoff]

I wouldn't mind hearing about this program as well...

 

[pullandbear]

yup, I would like to get some more info too. I was impressed during my interview there.

 

[Chickenwing]

Surely someone has something to share...anything?

 

[Chickenwing]

BUMP....Anyone????

 

[meddoc1986]

I haven't heard good things about the program in regards to the quality of the training from people inside and outside of the program, which is unfortunate since UT Houston is outstanding in many other specialties. I have heard this statement from several peds residents, a surgery resident, and even an IM resident at UT Houston.

 

[dd128]

Went to med school here, ranked it around 9 or 10 out of 11 last year. You get good training for the most part, but residents are work horses. It tends to be dominated by IMGs, which in itself is not overall a positive point for the program. You will get very little research in all likelihood and may have a descent shot at residency spots at the home program, not sure outside of that though. Long story short, you'll probably be a good doctor coming out of the program, but may not be happy those 3 years there. A lot of little nit picky things I didn't like either, no lunches, have to pay for parking, etc. (I know, boohoo), but it mattered to me.

 

[rafman]

Is the consensus of UT Houston program being malignant still true?? I've asked a couple of residents/interns at my school who have interviewed there within the past few years and they said it was and to stay away. Any pros (other than being in Houston) to this program??

 

[gutonc]

Is the consensus of UT Houston program being malignant still true?? I've asked a couple of residents/interns at my school who have interviewed there within the past few years and they said it was and to stay away. Any pros (other than being in Houston) to this program??

To be clear...that is a con, not a pro.

 

[obiwan]

To be clear...that is a con, not a pro.

hey thats enough texas bashing for now

 

[gutonc]

hey thats enough texas bashing for now

Just getting started.

 

[jdh71]

The bottom line: UT Houston is in HOUSTON. You will have to live in HOUSTON.

Every had swamp crotch? Monky butt?

 

[rafman]

So yea, any real answers or insight? Thank you in advance 🙂

 

[DermViser]

Is the consensus of UT Houston program being malignant still true?? I've asked a couple of residents/interns at my school who have interviewed there within the past few years and they said it was and to stay away. Any pros (other than being in Houston) to this program??

See their roster on their website and that should answer whether to stay away or not: https://med.uth.edu/internalmedicine/files/2013/10/IM-Pictorial-Roster-2014-20151.pdf

Went to med school here, ranked it around 9 or 10 out of 11 last year. You get good training for the most part, but residents are work horses. It tends to be dominated by IMGs, which in itself is not overall a positive point for the program. You will get very little research in all likelihood and may have a descent shot at residency spots at the home program, not sure outside of that though. Long story short, you'll probably be a good doctor coming out of the program, but may not be happy those 3 years there. A lot of little nit picky things I didn't like either, no lunches, have to pay for parking, etc. (I know, boohoo), but it mattered to me.

 

[drfunktacular]

Went to med school here, ranked it around 9 or 10 out of 11 last year. You get good training for the most part, but residents are work horses. It tends to be dominated by IMGs, which in itself is not overall a positive point for the program. You will get very little research in all likelihood and may have a descent shot at residency spots at the home program, not sure outside of that though. Long story short, you'll probably be a good doctor coming out of the program, but may not be happy those 3 years there. A lot of little nit picky things I didn't like either, no lunches, have to pay for parking, etc. (I know, boohoo), but it mattered to me.

I agree with this for the most part. Clinical exposure at Hermann and LBJ is excellent--lots of sick/weird stuff. MDACC is mainly run by PAs with cookbooks overseen by supersubspecialists who only treat one specific kind of lymphoma. Great if you're a PhD or onc fellow going in to academics; not so great if you're a resident on a medical consult service and getting 50 consults a day for ridiculous stuff.

Is the consensus of UT Houston program being malignant still true?? I've asked a couple of residents/interns at my school who have interviewed there within the past few years and they said it was and to stay away. Any pros (other than being in Houston) to this program??

I don't think it's malignant per se; there are some weird folks there though. The residents do work hard but I'm not sure they work harder than at other competitive programs.

Gutonc and jdh can shut up. Houston is a great place. Just stay indoors in June-September. The food in Houston is better than anywhere except maybe SF and NYC. Great bars, some nice parks, some of the world's best shopping, affordable housing compared with SF/NYC/LA/Chicago, 50 degree weather in February, faster economic growth than anywhere else in the US so it's full of other young professionals. Etc.

 

[jdh71]

Two words.

Monkey.

Butt.

 

[DermViser]

I agree with this for the most part. Clinical exposure at Hermann and LBJ is excellent--lots of sick/weird stuff. MDACC is mainly run by PAs with cookbooks overseen by supersubspecialists who only treat one specific kind of lymphoma. Great if you're a PhD or onc fellow going in to academics; not so great if you're a resident on a medical consult service and getting 50 consults a day for ridiculous stuff.

I don't think it's malignant per se; there are some weird folks there though. The residents do work hard but I'm not sure they work harder than at other competitive programs.

Gutonc and jdh can shut up. Houston is a great place. Just stay indoors in June-September. The food in Houston is better than anywhere except maybe SF and NYC. Great bars, some nice parks, some of the world's best shopping, affordable housing compared with SF/NYC/LA/Chicago, 50 degree weather in February, faster economic growth than anywhere else in the US so it's full of other young professionals. Etc.

Why are UT-Houston and Baylor College of Medicine so different in terms of the type of residents they attract into IM even though they're in the same city?

 

[drfunktacular]

Why are UT-Houston and Baylor College of Medicine so different in terms of the type of residents they attract into IM even though they're in the same city?

I think the caliber of residents is fairly similar actually. The average BCM resident may be slightly more accomplished but it's not like a night & day difference. We had some IMGs in my class at BCM as well and in fact I would say their average clinical acumen and research output probably exceeded the AMGs in the program


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[DermViser]

I think the caliber of residents is fairly similar actually. The average BCM resident may be slightly more accomplished but it's not like a night & day difference. We had some IMGs in my class at BCM as well and in fact I would say their average clinical acumen and research output probably exceeded the AMGs in the program


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Except according to the above roster, a huge portion of the IM class are IMGs. Not true for BCM: https://www.bcm.edu/departments/medicine/education/internal-medicine/residents

 

[rokshana]

See their roster on their website and that should answer whether to stay away or not: https://med.uth.edu/internalmedicine/files/2013/10/IM-Pictorial-Roster-2014-20151.pdf

that roster doesn't have where they went to school…or do you mean because many of them have "foreign" sounding names that somehow they are all IMGs?

I would bet there are more Patels in US med schools than there are Smiths in this day and age….

 

[Gastrapathy]

Houston is a great place? Be sure you get your pot card renewed. Stay inside for months? Check. Terrible traffic? Check. Large ghettos? Check.

 

[drfunktacular]

Houston is a great place? Be sure you get your pot card renewed. Stay inside for months? Check. Terrible traffic? Check. Large ghettos? Check.

Well I don't live there anymore so you can take that FWIW. I still enjoyed my time though


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[CiproFloxaFlame]

The food in Houston is better than anywhere except maybe SF and NYC.

lol no

 

[thehundredthone]

Except according to the above roster, a huge portion of the IM class are IMGs. Not true for BCM: https://www.bcm.edu/departments/medicine/education/internal-medicine/residents

What, you can smell the boat in the pictures? Their self reported percentage on FREIDA is less than 25%.

 

[DermViser]

What, you can smell the boat in the pictures? Their self reported percentage on FREIDA is less than 25%.

Has nothing to do with "smelling" the boat. You can look up the names in the state medical licensing board website which lists the medical school you graduated from. FREIDA is notoriously inaccurate on many parameters and likely includes prelim residents in that number.

 

[DermViser]

that roster doesn't have where they went to school…or do you mean because many of them have "foreign" sounding names that somehow they are all IMGs?

I would bet there are more Patels in US med schools than there are Smiths in this day and age….

No. I'm saying you can go to any residency roster of any residency program and look up the names in the state medical board website that will say exactly which medical school they attend. Thanks for accusing me of racism anyways and throwing a poison pill in the discussion. Very much appreciated.

 

[sunitinib]

Houston is a great place? Be sure you get your pot card renewed. Stay inside for months? Check. Terrible traffic? Check. Large ghettos? Check.

This doesn't have anything to do with the UTH program, but it's always funny to read all these people insult Houston who've probably never even been for a long period of time.

Yes, superficially it's a humid strip mall jungle with bad traffic. I could list a lot of ****ty qualities of pretty much any big city out there.

But if you actually live in the big H for a while, you start to understand the charms. It's objectively the most diverse city in the country (yes, moreso than NYC). The food scene really is that good, with everything from probably the best Pho in the country to a super interesting, accesible fine dining culture (NYT recently made the trip out to review a few of the best). Tons of awesome dive bars with great patios. A surprisingly liberal culture with one of America's first openly lesbian mayors. And most importantly - it's all cheap as hell, so trainees can actually enjoy everything listed above all while living pretty much anywhere they want to in the city.

I realize I'm not going to convince anyone from the coasts who've already made up their minds about Houston, but gotta stand up for my hood 🙂

 

[rokshana]

No. I'm saying you can go to any residency roster of any residency program and look up the names in the state medical board website that will say exactly which medical school they attend. Thanks for accusing me of racism anyways and throwing a poison pill in the discussion. Very much appreciated.

dude, you put it out there like a BIG bullseye….you're going to tell us that you really looked up every SINGLE person on the UT houston roster on the state medical website and know that most of them went to a foreign medical school…because that is the only way you can make that statement and not be racist…you look at their pix, looked at their names and made an assumption…whether your prejudice against I/FMGs is based in racism…well….

 

[DermViser]

dude, you put it out there like a BIG bullseye….you're going to tell us that you really looked up every SINGLE person on the UT houston roster on the state medical website and know that most of them went to a foreign medical school…because that is the only way you can make that statement and not be racist…you look at their pix, looked at their names and made an assumption…whether your prejudice against I/FMGs is based in racism…well….

You don't even have to complete looking up one row on the state medical board website to see nearly every single one is either IMG or a DO, not even from their own medical school. Let me make it easier for you to understand since your intention is to intentionally race-bait:

UT Southwestern - http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/edume...nal_medicine/residency/im-composite-14-15.pdf

BCM - https://www.bcm.edu/departments/medicine/education/internal-medicine/residents

UT Houston - https://med.uth.edu/internalmedicine/files/2013/10/IM-Pictorial-Roster-2014-20151.pdf

What do 2 of the 3 rosters have that 1 does not?

 

[lymphohystiocytosis]

While some of the comments here are a little inflammatory, I agree with Derm that it's a huge red flag to not list the med school of the residents on the class roster. That's done by basically every program I've looked at this season. If you don't do it, I'm going to assume you're hiding something.

But I think we're missing the most striking aspect of the UT Houston roster. Check out the first chief on the left. Is pinnamegally a diagnosis?

 

[rokshana]

While some of the comments here are a little inflammatory, I agree with Derm that it's a huge red flag to not list the med school of the residents on the class roster. That's done by basically every program I've looked at this season. If you don't do it, I'm going to assume you're hiding something.

But I think we're missing the most striking aspect of the UT Houston roster. Check out the first chief on the left. Is pinnamegally a diagnosis?

but that is NOT what dermviser said…i agree…not posting the names of the med schools does raise that question…but dermviser assumed that all (or most) of the roster from UTH were foreign…with no apparent basis other than the names on the list….now he comes back and say..oh, you can check on the state's med board list, now his story is that the lists don't show the med schools…his previous post on these threads show his bias…not necessarily a great leap to think he is a bit racist.

 

[DermViser]

but that is NOT what dermviser said…i agree…not posting the names of the med schools does raise that question…but dermviser assumed that all (or most) of the roster from UTH were foreign…with no apparent basis other than the names on the list….now he comes back and say..oh, you can check on the state's med board list, now his story is that the lists don't show the med schools…his previous post on these threads show his bias…not necessarily a great leap to think he is a bit racist.

WRONG. 100% WRONG. I first said, "See their roster on their website" which I posted along with a previous quote from 2012 talking about a predominance of IMGs. My exact words were "a huge portion of the IM class are IMGs" (not ALL or most), I then posted up BCM's list in comparison. I was then accused of "smelling the boat" and knew someone would pull a douchey move and try to accuse me of racism (which you did, Congratulations!!!), which is why I further clarified that this could easily be seen by looking in any state medical database for any residency. Since you obviously STILL weren't understanding, I posted 2 other lists so you could see quite clearly that 2 other lists had nearly all MD AMGs, while one list did not with 2 of the lists posting their medical schools and the other list not posting it.

You can accuse me of racism all you want, but you'll have to try harder. Might want to get that chip off your shoulder as it wouldn't "not necessarily be a great leap" to think you're an IMG as well.

 

[jdh71]

What happened in here??

You all just can't let a perfectly good Houston hate thread be can you?

This is why we can't have nice things.

And Houston does not have the best Pho. LA and Minneapolis Pho beat Houston Pho with large stick until the Houston Pho has to go to the ED.

Pwned.

 

[sunitinib]

What happened in here??

You all just can't let a perfectly good Houston hate thread be can you?

This is why we can't have nice things.

And Houston does not have the best Pho. LA and Minneapolis Pho beat Houston Pho with large stick until the Houston Pho has to go to the ED.

Pwned.

Ha, LA vs. Houston on Vietnamese food, aight reasonable minds can differ on this, but I have a hard time believing that pho in Minneapolis could hold a candle to a city with one of the 2 or 3 biggest Vietnamese populations in the US. I have never been to Minneapolis or eaten there, so this is just a guess, but I'm also guessing you've never eaten much in Houston yourself 😉

The point here isn't that my opinions on H-town are absolutely right, but more that just because a city isn't a good tourist destination - and believe me, I agree that visiting Houston for a few days is not really all that fun - doesn't mean that it is an awful place to live. There's often more beneath the skin of a city than you can find in a Lonely Planet guide, and I think people can do themselves a disservice with superficial judgements; especially as the Houston residency and fellowship programs are so great...so anyway, keep that in mind, future applicants who will find this thread in a few years.

 

[jdh71]

Ha, LA vs. Houston on Vietnamese food, aight reasonable minds can differ on this, but I have a hard time believing that pho in Minneapolis could hold a candle to a city with one of the 2 or 3 biggest Vietnamese populations in the US. I have never been to Minneapolis or eaten there, so this is just a guess, but I'm also guessing you've never eaten much in Houston yourself 😉

The point here isn't that my opinions on H-town are absolutely right, but more that just because a city isn't a good tourist destination - and believe me, I agree that visiting Houston for a few days is not really all that fun - doesn't mean that it is an awful place to live. There's often more beneath the skin of a city than you can find in a Lonely Planet guide, and I think people can do themselves a disservice with superficial judgements; especially as the Houston residency and fellowship programs are so great...so anyway, keep that in mind, future applicants who will find this thread in a few years.

Ha! Goes to show what you know! Plenty-o-Vietnamese as well as Hmong (and Karin) in the twin cities. Why they would move where its cold and not humid is beyond me but then it's a refugee spot.

And I've had Pho in Houston because I was told it was good there. I wasn't impressed.

 

[sunitinib]

Ha! Goes to show what you know! Plenty-o-Vietnamese as well as Hmong (and Karin) in the twin cities. Why they would move where its cold and not humid is beyond me but then it's a refugee spot.

And I've had Pho in Houston because I was told it was good there. I wasn't impressed.

Im sorry the one restaurant you ate in wasnt very good. Hope you have better luck next time!

 

[rokshana]

WRONG. 100% WRONG. I first said, "See their roster on their website" which I posted along with a previous quote from 2012 talking about a predominance of IMGs. My exact words were "a huge portion of the IM class are IMGs" (not ALL or most), I then posted up BCM's list in comparison. I was then accused of "smelling the boat" and knew someone would pull a douchey move and try to accuse me of racism (which you did, Congratulations!!!), which is why I further clarified that this could easily be seen by looking in any state medical database for any residency. Since you obviously STILL weren't understanding, I posted 2 other lists so you could see quite clearly that 2 other lists had nearly all MD AMGs, while one list did not with 2 of the lists posting their medical schools and the other list not posting it.

You can accuse me of racism all you want, but you'll have to try harder. Might want to get that chip off your shoulder as it wouldn't "not necessarily be a great leap" to think you're an IMG as well.

i am absolutely an IMG…i have never hidden that fact…
but nice try at backpedaling…(and I wasn't the only one that said something…the smelling' the boat was not my comment) ..my question to you was HPW DO YOU KNOW? there is NO listing of where the UTH residents went to school…your mind jumped to them being foreign because of the one thing that was obvious…their names…you had NOTHING else to base your opinion on….you NEVER stated in your original post that there may all very well be foreign because UTH doesn't post the schools on the list and that is a red flag for mostly foreign…you stated as if you knew this was fact.

i'm sure you were quite smart in med school…after all you gat a derm spot…but its people like you who assume that if you didn't go to school in the US that you are some sort of substandard doctor that make AMGs look bad…luckily your attitude is not in the majority…everywhere i have trained or worked hasn't given a rat's ass about where i went to school….

i don't have to accuse you of racism or bigotry…you have shown that quite nicely in your posts on sdn.

 

[rokshana]

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What happened in here??

You all just can't let a perfectly good Houston hate thread be can you?

This is why we can't have nice things.

And Houston does not have the best Pho. LA and Minneapolis Pho beat Houston Pho with large stick until the Houston Pho has to go to the ED.

Pwned.

sorry…san jose has the better pho than all of those places…

better? 🙂

 

[rokshana]

Ha, LA vs. Houston on Vietnamese food, aight reasonable minds can differ on this, but I have a hard time believing that pho in Minneapolis could hold a candle to a city with one of the 2 or 3 biggest Vietnamese populations in the US. I have never been to Minneapolis or eaten there, so this is just a guess, but I'm also guessing you've never eaten much in Houston yourself 😉

The point here isn't that my opinions on H-town are absolutely right, but more that just because a city isn't a good tourist destination - and believe me, I agree that visiting Houston for a few days is not really all that fun - doesn't mean that it is an awful place to live. There's often more beneath the skin of a city than you can find in a Lonely Planet guide, and I think people can do themselves a disservice with superficial judgements; especially as the Houston residency and fellowship programs are so great...so anyway, keep that in mind, future applicants who will find this thread in a few years.

actually there is a fairly large Viet population in Minneapolis…(the Hmong were offer to settle there after the Vietnam War)…obviously not as large as LA or Houston,but finding good Vietnamese food there isn't as crazy as it sounds.

 

[DermViser]

i am absolutely an IMG…i have never hidden that fact…
but nice try at backpedaling…(and I wasn't the only one that said something…the smelling' the boat was not my comment) ..my question to you was HPW DO YOU KNOW? there is NO listing of where the UTH residents went to school…your mind jumped to them being foreign because of the one thing that was obvious…their names…you had NOTHING else to base your opinion on….you NEVER stated in your original post that there may all very well be foreign because UTH doesn't post the schools on the list and that is a red flag for mostly foreign…you stated as if you knew this was fact.

i'm sure you were quite smart in med school…after all you gat a derm spot…but its people like you who assume that if you didn't go to school in the US that you are some sort of substandard doctor that make AMGs look bad…luckily your attitude is not in the majority…everywhere i have trained or worked hasn't given a rat's ass about where i went to school….

i don't have to accuse you of racism or bigotry…you have shown that quite nicely in your posts on sdn.

Applicants are very well aware when residencies are hiding things from them on their websites. Here are other examples:

Duke: http://residency.medicine.duke.edu/our-residents/current-residents/2014
Vanderbilt: https://medicine.mc.vanderbilt.edu/residencyprogram_residents#pgy1residents
even Wright State: http://www.med.wright.edu/im/res/residents
all of them list the medical schools that their interns/residents attended. It's just common protocol as all of our home med schools in the United States(that all have residency programs) have the same listings.

You're right, I never stated directly that "there may all very well be foreign because UTH doesn't post the schools on the list and that is a red flag for mostly foreign", bc most people have some level of critical thinking and analytical skills and don't have to have literally every thought be SPELLED OUT for them. You wrongfully assumed that my reasoning behind posting up the roster (with no medical school listed -- an automatic sign) was bc of their names and skin color. You rolled the dice, you bet, and you lost. So now you're backtracking to say it's only natural to assume that bc I didn't state every single thought directly, that it was racism/bigotry. You weren't the only one, but that doesn't make you any less wrong. As an aside, if you look at the pictures on the UT-Houston roster closer to the bottom - they look more like passport pictures as well, which also points to it as well.

Rightfully or wrongfully, AMG applicants who see a program roster list of nearly all IMGs (or those who try to hide that they are) in a program will wonder why this is. Especially when you have another medical school in the same city which has NO IMGs and lists their med schools directly.

So the natural question every AMG is going to ask is why is an American medical school with an IM residency program not attracting AMGs in huge numbers (esp. it's own med school graduates) and why is there another residency program in the same specialty in the same city that is able to attract AMGs in huge numbers.

I would ask the same of another IM program in the same city that's not with UT-Houston or BCM, that has an "affiliation" with Cornell: http://www.houstonmethodist.org/CurrentPost-GraduateResidents (notice AGAIN, since it seems one has to say it directly, that they do not list the resident's medical schools.)

 

[thehundredthone]

Has nothing to do with "smelling" the boat. You can look up the names in the state medical licensing board website which lists the medical school you graduated from. FREIDA is notoriously inaccurate on many parameters and likely includes prelim residents in that number.

I don't really care for any AMG vs IMG debate, but I hope you actually looked up all the names. I did. 16/40 categorical PGY-1's are IMGs, and about 12 of those are FMGs. More than the 25% reported on FREIDA, but even with an AMG predominance (vs your quoted 2012 post) I guess any more than 1 is considered "a huge portion" by some people.

I agree that FREIDA can be somewhat inaccurate, but it hasn't been very far off in most cases. Factual accuracy is what I called you out on.

 

[jdh71]

Im sorry the one restaurant you ate in wasnt very good. Hope you have better luck next time!

Nah. I won't be back to that crap hole any time soon.

 

[jdh71]

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sorry…san jose has the better pho than all of those places…

better? 🙂

Doubtful. Very. Very. Doubtful.

 

[rokshana]

Applicants are very well aware when residencies are hiding things from them on their websites. Here are other examples:

Duke: http://residency.medicine.duke.edu/our-residents/current-residents/2014
Vanderbilt: https://medicine.mc.vanderbilt.edu/residencyprogram_residents#pgy1residents
even Wright State: http://www.med.wright.edu/im/res/residents
all of them list the medical schools that their interns/residents attended. It's just common protocol as all of our home med schools in the United States(that all have residency programs) have the same listings.

You're right, I never stated directly that "there may all very well be foreign because UTH doesn't post the schools on the list and that is a red flag for mostly foreign", bc most people have some level of critical thinking and analytical skills and don't have to have literally every thought be SPELLED OUT for them. You wrongfully assumed that my reasoning behind posting up the roster (with no medical school listed -- an automatic sign) was bc of their names and skin color. You rolled the dice, you bet, and you lost. So now you're backtracking to say it's only natural to assume that bc I didn't state every single thought directly, that it was racism/bigotry. You weren't the only one, but that doesn't make you any less wrong. As an aside, if you look at the pictures on the UT-Houston roster closer to the bottom - they look more like passport pictures as well, which also points to it as well.

Rightfully or wrongfully, AMG applicants who see a program roster list of nearly all IMGs (or those who try to hide that they are) in a program will wonder why this is. Especially when you have another medical school in the same city which has NO IMGs and lists their med schools directly.

So the natural question every AMG is going to ask is why is an American medical school with an IM residency program not attracting AMGs in huge numbers (esp. it's own med school graduates) and why is there another residency program in the same specialty in the same city that is able to attract AMGs in huge numbers.

I would ask the same of another IM program in the same city that's not with UT-Houston or BCM, that has an "affiliation" with Cornell: http://www.houstonmethodist.org/CurrentPost-GraduateResidents (notice AGAIN, since it seems one has to say it directly, that they do not list the resident's medical schools.)

sooo.. by your rationale MGH and BID must be suspect schools ….since they don't even SHOW their residents on the website…

and you may want to get your eyes checked (unless your reading comprehension has dimished since med school), but both the examples you gave of UT SW and Baylor have I/MGs in their rosters

and i haven't backtracked one bit…said you were a racist and still think so.

just calling it like i see 'em...

 

[DermViser]

I don't really care for any AMG vs IMG debate, but I hope you actually looked up all the names. I did. 16/40 categorical PGY-1's are IMGs, and about 12 of those are FMGs. More than the 25% reported on FREIDA, but even with an AMG predominance (vs your quoted 2012 post) I guess any more than 1 is considered "a huge portion" by some people.

I agree that FREIDA can be somewhat inaccurate, but it hasn't been very far off in most cases. Factual accuracy is what I called you out on.

It wasn't the PGY-1s that I looked at but more the PGY-2 and PGY-3, esp. as competition for IM has tightened up a lot in the last year due to hysteria, which now feeds this match cycle. As you can see above, I said, "to see nearly every single one is either IMG or a DO", so it's not JUST the number of IMGs.

 

[thehundredthone]

It wasn't the PGY-1s that I looked at but more the PGY-2 and PGY-3, esp. as competition for IM has tightened up a lot in the last year due to hysteria, which now feeds this match cycle. As you can see above, I said, "to see nearly every single one is either IMG or a DO", so it's not JUST the number of IMGs.

Actually there were only about 3 or 4 DOs, the rest were allopathic MDs if I remember correctly. Anyway, point taken.

Regarding the rosters though, I looked through the websites of about ~150 programs, and less than 70 have rosters with the names of the medical schools (if they have rosters at all). Even most university programs don't have them (maybe around 40+ out of 100+ programs). It's not that standard apparently.

 

[DermViser]

sooo.. by your rationale MGH and BID must be suspect schools ….since they don't even SHOW their residents on the website…

and you may want to get your eyes check (unless your reading comprehension has dimished since med school), but both the examples you gave of UT SW and Baylor have I/MGs in their roster

and i haven't backtracked one bit…said you were a racist and still think so.

just calling it like i see 'em...

No, my rationale is that when an IM residency posts up their residents they post up the medical schools they attend. And MGH does do so for their primary care residents. http://www2.massgeneral.org/medicine/residency/pdfs/PCProfiles 2012-2013.pdf. Guess how many are AMGs? Brigham and Women's also does.

You've backtracked to rationalize and defend your thinking even though I've fully rebutted your notions as to why. It's not my problem that you wish to hold on to them. Apparently you have to have everything spelled out for you (and it's not bc you're an IMG, in case you were going to make another accusation).

 

[thehundredthone]

Doubtful. Very. Very. Doubtful.

Some of the best pho is in Cambodia, but the funny thing is that the Cambodians don't get along with the Vietnamese at all. Wearing those Vietnamese hats in Cambodia is like wearing a sign that says "Punch me".

 

[DermViser]

Actually there were only about 3 or 4 DOs, the rest were allopathic MDs if I remember correctly. Anyway, point taken.

Regarding the rosters though, I looked through the websites of about ~150 programs, and less than 70 have rosters with the names of the medical schools (if they have rosters at all). Even most university programs don't have them (maybe around 40+ out of 100+ programs). It's not that standard apparently.

Like I said, I was more looking at PGY-2 and PGY-3, not the intern class they JUST recruited last year that has felt the match crunch more than ever.

I'm referring to university programs with it's own medical school (not community based and not university "affiliated" programs), which follow the rule more than the exception. Yes there will be those in the latter 2 categories that don't have any roster listed and I never said they would and I'm also not surprised.

 

[DermViser]

and you may want to get your eyes checked (unless your reading comprehension has dimished since med school), but both the examples you gave of UT SW and Baylor have I/MGs in their rosters

Please read what I typed AGAIN:
I said "a huge portion of the IM class are IMGs" and "see nearly every single one is either IMG or a DO" that means a majority. That doesn't mean there are absolutely ZERO IMGs at all in BCM and UTSW's programs. Please work on your reading comprehension as I think your anger is clouding your ability to understand the words I typed and so now you're just itching for an argument and a reason to be belligerent and I won't engage with you any further if that's your goal.