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I spoke yesterday to a leading administrator of the AOA and he told me that there will be about 3 more schools being added to the application cycle this year. Those who have submitted an application this year will get an email soon basically stating that they will have to opportunity to be the first graduating class of three new schools admitting their first class this year. One is in Eastern Tenn. and another in Eastern Washington I think. The seconday fee will be waived and the only cost to apply will be the initial application fee. I imagine many people, especially those borderline candidates, will be happ to hear this. Keep an eye out for it, folks. You heard it here first!
 
I don't think one of them will be the one in Washington this cycle. They still have a lot to get done before they are ready for an app. cycle. Washington won't be until next year. Their website even states they anticipate their first class to be in the fall of 2008. It wil be interesting to see how this all plays out.
 
Definitely not washington. The link was correct. Do we know how soon?
 
http://www.osteopathic.org/index.cfm?cfid=10446536&CFToken=15875107&PageID=acc_predoc

from the "Meeting Notes" section of this link (for those too lazy to click and read):

"Three on-site visit reports for initial provisional accreditation will be reviewed: A.T. Still University of Health Sciences-College of Osteopathic Medicine-Mesa (AZ); Lincoln Memorial University-DeBusk College of Osteopathic Medicine (Harrogate, TN); and Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine (New York, NY)."

uh oh. looks like someone mentioned touro-harlem.
 
if soon is good news Im excited about A.T. Still University in Mesa, Arizona
 
Would people here want to be the first class of a new school ( not including A.T. Still since it is under the same accreditation I assume)? I feel like I would rather reapply next year then take a chance on a brand new school. Let me know if I am just being ignorant.
 
DRKUBA said:
Would people here want to be the first class of a new school ( not including A.T. Still since it is under the same accreditation I assume)? I feel like I would rather reapply next year then take a chance on a brand new school. Let me know if I am just being ignorant.
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ur being ignorant.. no one knows what the future will bring (God-willing). if you've got an acceptance now, you gotta take it.
 
DRKUBA said:
Would people here want to be the first class of a new school ( not including A.T. Still since it is under the same accreditation I assume)?
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I don't think ATSU Mesa is exempt from accreditation procedure; The LECOM and PCOM branches each had to have separate accreditation procedings, so I'm guessing ATSU is no exception.
 
Boner said:
I don't think ATSU Mesa is exempt from accreditation procedure; The LECOM and PCOM branches each had to have separate accreditation procedings, so I'm guessing ATSU is no exception.
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Yes, but accreditation is a different process as a branch campus than a brand new one. It's a much easier process.
 
these schools have been rumored all summer now...so hopefully its a matter of time. One AACOMAS employee told me over the phone to expect as late as October to add them to ur file, but they should be open for the 2007 entering class.

Also, AT Still University wihich is based in Kirksville Missouri, already has a branch in Mesa, Arizona (a Phoenix suburb) called the Arizona University of Health Sciences see the banner on www.atsu.edu
they already send their Kirskville M3 and M4 students to the Phoenix area for clinical rotations. So all it is ---is adding the faculty to teach the M1s and M2s and a med school building on the campus I assume. Yes it has to get accredited but its better than starting from scratch...they are the leaders and first Osteopathic Medical School, so Im sure they will do things right.

Good Luck!
 
vmgopal said:
these schools have been rumored all summer now...so hopefully its a matter of time. One AACOMAS employee told me over the phone to expect as late as October to add them to ur file, but they should be open for the 2007 entering class.

Also, AT Still University wihich is based in Kirksville Missouri, already has a branch in Mesa, Arizona (a Phoenix suburb) called the Arizona University of Health Sciences see the banner on www.atsu.edu
they already send their Kirskville M3 and M4 students to the Phoenix area for clinical rotations. So all it is ---is adding the faculty to teach the M1s and M2s and a med school building on the campus I assume. Yes it has to get accredited but its better than starting from scratch...they are the leaders and first Osteopathic Medical School, so Im sure they will do things right.

Good Luck!
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They also have a dental school there. Adding medical students to the mix shouldn't be too hard as long as they add some buildings etc. My friend who just came back from mesa said they have banners at the school annoucning the med school opening this app cycle.
 
i'd definitely consider the mesa branch. i'm in phoenix and i know a few students in Dentistry and PA there and they love it. the programs they have now (at least) have a strong reputation in the valley and are very competitive to get into. it's a good area--near the 60 which makes commuting easy and there's nice condos/apartments/shopping in the area.
 
i thought i heard 2008 or 2009 for washington? where in new york is the 'new touro'? sorry--i'm not good at following links 🙄
 
Testy McAterson said:
where in new york is the 'new touro'? sorry--i'm not good at following links 🙄
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supposedly in harlem. 125th, i believe. close to columbia university. it's really cleaned up around there, although it's a good 40 min train ride to midtown/SOHO area where all the trendy shopping/nightlife/cultural crap is. anything around or above the park tends to be mostly residential.
 
So I was checking the fee table on the aacomas application. It says that applying to 24 schools costs $780:scared:

1. Arizona College of Osteopathic Medicine of Midwestern University
2. Western University of Health Sciences / College of Osteopathic Medicine of the Pacific
3. University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey School of Osteopathic Medicine
4. Lincoln Memorial University - DeBusk College of Osteopathic Medicine
5. Touro University College of Osteopathic Medicine, Mare Island
6. Nova Southeastern University College of Osteopathic Medicine
7. Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine, Bradenton
8. Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine, Atlanta Campus
9. Des Moines University - Osteopathic Medical Center
10. Chicago College of Osteopathic Medicine of Midwestern University
11. Pikeville College School of Osteopathic Medicine
12. University of New England College of Osteopathic Medicine
13. Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine
14. A. T. Still University-Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine
15. Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences
16. Touro University College of Osteopathic Medicine, Nevada
17. New York College of Osteopathic Medicine of New York Institute of Technology
18. Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine
19. Oklahoma State University College of Osteopathic Medicine
20. Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine, Main Campus
21. Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine, Main Campus
22.Edward Via Virginia College of Osteopathic Medicine
23. West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine
24.

School 24 on aacomas doesnt have a name. It just has a due date of 4/15/2007. Could this be accomas trying to add one of these new schools on to the application or is this just a glitch on the application? Could it be A.T. Still or Touro?
 
jpwa1988 said:
Here are a couple of interesting links regarding the previous post:

http://www.osteopathic.org/index.cfm?cfid=10446536&CFToken=15875107&PageID=acc_predoc

http://www.pnuhs.org/index.shtml
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It should be noted that the PNUHS website is quite explicit as to what sort of doctors they want to train:

Pacific Northwest University of Health Sciences will focus on training a new generation of primary care physicians who live and work in the rural communities they serve…new doctors who care for and treat their neighbors with an emphasis on preventative health care...

The Pacific Northwest University of Health Sciences (PNWU) will train 70 new primary care physicians per year beginning in 2008 .

PNWU will utilize rural and small community hospitals for student rotation and residency programs as part of its comprehensive campus-based educational curricula, training students in the very environments in which they will ultimately practice.

Ok, so, they want people who desire to be small-town family doctors.
But then they say:

Nearly every specialty and subspecialty will be represented including family practice, neonatology, pediatrics, internal medicine, neurosurgery, cardiology, cardiothoracic surgery, medical and radiation oncology, plastic surgery, ENT, ophthalmology and urology.

Strange.
Not that it matters anyway since so many DO students are interested in specialties these days.
 
Oculus Sinistra said:
It should be noted that the PNUHS website is quite explicit as to what sort of doctors they want to train:

Pacific Northwest University of Health Sciences will focus on training a new generation of primary care physicians who live and work in the rural communities they serve…new doctors who care for and treat their neighbors with an emphasis on preventative health care...

The Pacific Northwest University of Health Sciences (PNWU) will train 70 new primary care physicians per year beginning in 2008 .

PNWU will utilize rural and small community hospitals for student rotation and residency programs as part of its comprehensive campus-based educational curricula, training students in the very environments in which they will ultimately practice.

Ok, so, they want people who desire to be small-town family doctors.
But then they say:

Nearly every specialty and subspecialty will be represented including family practice, neonatology, pediatrics, internal medicine, neurosurgery, cardiology, cardiothoracic surgery, medical and radiation oncology, plastic surgery, ENT, ophthalmology and urology.

Strange.
Not that it matters anyway since so many DO students are interested in specialties these days.
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Yeah, it seems that on the surface DO schools want to claim they are training primary care docs but the interview I just had at KCUMB made it clear that the school is proud that they match more than 60% of their students into specialties. I think the larger schools will see a shift from primary care. Just my two cents.
 
FizbanZymogen said:
Yeah, it seems that on the surface DO schools want to claim they are training primary care docs but the interview I just had at KCUMB made it clear that the school is proud that they match more than 60% of their students into specialties. I think the larger schools will see a shift from primary care. Just my two cents.
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well i hate to incite anything "flame-esque," but with the hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt we accrue as med students, reality says that a chunk of us will be turned away from primary care...sad as that sounds. and now days, with this whole plan of having nurse-practitioners seeing patients at drugs stores-- which some fear as "primary care competition," etc...i don't know.
 
medhacker said:
You're being ignorant LOL :laugh:

Someone has to be first sometime...
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...you are second.. but I still feel like I personally would never choose the new school over admission to any other of the older schools.

cee said:
ur being ignorant.. no one knows what the future will bring (God-willing). if you've got an acceptance now, you gotta take it.
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DRKUBA said:
...you are second.. but I still feel like I personally would never choose the new school over admission to any other of the older schools.
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I am not second, first are those who apply to a school's first class, get it? someone has to be first?...
 
clement said:
well i hate to incite anything "flame-esque," but with the hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt we accrue as med students, reality says that a chunk of us will be turned away from primary care...sad as that sounds. and now days, with this whole plan of having nurse-practitioners seeing patients at drugs stores-- which some fear as "primary care competition," etc...i don't know.
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OB's are primary care and don't they make as much as a lot of specialists??😕
 
DRKUBA said:
Would people here want to be the first class of a new school ( not including A.T. Still since it is under the same accreditation I assume)? I feel like I would rather reapply next year then take a chance on a brand new school. Let me know if I am just being ignorant.
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I agree.

This is absolutely ridiculous. Cool, open all these new schools when its a well-known fact that a large number of these kids are going to have to knock on allopathic PDs doors because the AOA can't seem to figure out how to provide enough residencies for the mill of students that it churns out.


Strosnider is coming to my school like next week. Im definately gonna bust his balls on this one.
 
Oculus Sinistra said:
It should be noted that the PNUHS website is quite explicit as to what sort of doctors they want to train:

Pacific Northwest University of Health Sciences will focus on training a new generation of primary care physicians who live and work in the rural communities they serve…new doctors who care for and treat their neighbors with an emphasis on preventative health care...

The Pacific Northwest University of Health Sciences (PNWU) will train 70 new primary care physicians per year beginning in 2008 .

PNWU will utilize rural and small community hospitals for student rotation and residency programs as part of its comprehensive campus-based educational curricula, training students in the very environments in which they will ultimately practice.

Ok, so, they want people who desire to be small-town family doctors.
But then they say:

Nearly every specialty and subspecialty will be represented including family practice, neonatology, pediatrics, internal medicine, neurosurgery, cardiology, cardiothoracic surgery, medical and radiation oncology, plastic surgery, ENT, ophthalmology and urology.

Strange.
Not that it matters anyway since so many DO students are interested in specialties these days.
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It doesn't really matter what they say; you can't force someone to go into primary care.
 
dannj12 said:
So I was checking the fee table on the aacomas application. It says that applying to 24 schools costs $780:scared:

1. Arizona College of Osteopathic Medicine of Midwestern University
2. Western University of Health Sciences / College of Osteopathic Medicine of the Pacific
3. University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey School of Osteopathic Medicine
4. Lincoln Memorial University - DeBusk College of Osteopathic Medicine
5. Touro University College of Osteopathic Medicine, Mare Island
6. Nova Southeastern University College of Osteopathic Medicine
7. Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine, Bradenton
8. Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine, Atlanta Campus
9. Des Moines University - Osteopathic Medical Center
10. Chicago College of Osteopathic Medicine of Midwestern University
11. Pikeville College School of Osteopathic Medicine
12. University of New England College of Osteopathic Medicine
13. Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine
14. A. T. Still University-Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine
15. Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences
16. Touro University College of Osteopathic Medicine, Nevada
17. New York College of Osteopathic Medicine of New York Institute of Technology
18. Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine
19. Oklahoma State University College of Osteopathic Medicine
20. Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine, Main Campus
21. Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine, Main Campus
22.Edward Via Virginia College of Osteopathic Medicine
23. West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine
24.

School 24 on aacomas doesnt have a name. It just has a due date of 4/15/2007. Could this be accomas trying to add one of these new schools on to the application or is this just a glitch on the application? Could it be A.T. Still or Touro?
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24 schools? Dude, I applied to two.
 
Buckeye(OH) said:
No, they don't. Especially if they are male.
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everything i've read indicates they make about 240,000 after insurance etc. i will go look up my source...

ok, so it says Fam Pr and Peds and IM are like 150,000 on average (in practice 3 years +) and OB is 250,000 (since it involves surgery I suppose??) That's less than most specialties but still pretty good.
 
Buckeye(OH) said:
I agree.

This is absolutely ridiculous. Cool, open all these new schools when its a well-known fact that a large number of these kids are going to have to knock on allopathic PDs doors because the AOA can't seem to figure out how to provide enough residencies for the mill of students that it churns out.


Strosnider is coming to my school like next week. Im definately gonna bust his balls on this one.
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Actually He is on your side. He has gone on record that he thinks there are too many new schools opening and that they are not considering residency oppurtunities. At least PCOM made sure to set up some residencies with their new school. Though they won't come about for a bit
 
Buckeye(OH) said:
It doesn't really matter what they say; you can't force someone to go into primary care.
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Fortunately. But they can make it more difficult for you to match by forcing you to do rotations on-site in primary care concentrations, not advising you on how to match in specialties, etc.
 
JonnyG said:
Actually He is on your side. He has gone on record that he thinks there are too many new schools opening and that they are not considering residency oppurtunities. At least PCOM made sure to set up some residencies with their new school. Though they won't come about for a bit
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I don't understand why it's so difficult to set up residency opportunities....?
Aren't there plenty of hospitals out there that would love the prestige and opportunities provided by being a teaching hospital?
 
JonnyG said:
Actually He is on your side. He has gone on record that he thinks there are too many new schools opening and that they are not considering residency oppurtunities. At least PCOM made sure to set up some residencies with their new school. Though they won't come about for a bit
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I know he is. But hes still gonna get an ass chewing so he doesnt slack.
 
All these med schools trying to sell themselves as "primary care" factories are fooling no one.

I'm talking about bout MD and DO so you can stop with the "DO hatred" stuff right now.

Take FSU Med (MD) for example. They claim a mission of training rural doctors for Florida. I guarantee you in 5 years, their specialty match rate will be no different than any other med school in the country. They talk a good game but they dont back it up.

Personally, any school that receives state funding, bills itself as a "primary care" school and then doesnt deliver at least 70% primary care grad match rate should have their public funding pulled. I dont spend taxpayer money so we can create more plastic surgeons who run off to Beverly Hills.
 
BTW, these schools are pulling a "bait and switch" scam on the public. Before the school is created, they talk about how they rae going to be a primary care training center, but its a joke.

the only reaosn they harp on it is so they can get politicians at the state level to lobby for them and possibly some state funding.

Then as soon as the school is built and the money is a done deal, they conveniently "forget" their mission and start churning out specialists like everybody else.

Its a total scam.
 
Anyone has any information about Touro college of osteopathic medicine in New York? Is it another branch of Touro University College of Osteopathic Medicine? Will the first entering class be Aug 2007 or 2008?


cee said:
http://www.osteopathic.org/index.cfm?cfid=10446536&CFToken=15875107&PageID=acc_predoc

from the "Meeting Notes" section of this link (for those too lazy to click and read):

"Three on-site visit reports for initial provisional accreditation will be reviewed: A.T. Still University of Health Sciences-College of Osteopathic Medicine-Mesa (AZ); Lincoln Memorial University-DeBusk College of Osteopathic Medicine (Harrogate, TN); and Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine (New York, NY)."

uh oh. looks like someone mentioned touro-harlem.
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cee said:
how does Mesa compare to Glendale (AZCOM)?
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.i'm sorry if this is overly wordy 🙂 :

..glendale.. ..(northwest valley) started as a farming community (cotton, etc.). with the housing boom, a lot of the farms were eaten up and replaced with housing communities. there's still some farming in ..glendale..--but most of the farms have been pushed far towards avondale and buckeye--basically to the western outskirts of "phoenix." near the DO school, the homes are all really nice and new and the neighborhood has good schools and shopping. it's close to the 101--our newest freeway--which connects and makes it easy to get most anywhere in the valley fast. the new cardinals stadium is nearby, the hockey stadium is next to that, and there's a couple concert venues are in that area. it's not hard to get to the 'central corridor' and the middle of phoenix where there are museums, bars/clubs, art galleries, etc.

note: i'm not trying to offend anyone--just being totally honest with what i know. mesa (southeast valley) started out with a mormon temple and mormon settlers and farmers (cotton, orange groves, etc.). mormon temples spread throughout mesa and it was almost exclusively mormon through the '60s and '70s. around the '70s, the valley really started growing with tons of people relocating to the warmer climate from the midwest (my family's from ..iowa..--we live in northeast phoenix). there was a boom in housing everywhere--making mesa no longer exclusively mormon. as a native, when you say 'mesa' i still automatically think 'mormon'--but i have friends that live there that aren't (not that i have anything against the religion) and there's a lot of working professionals and families that have moved into the area because it has a lot to offer (good schools, nice, new housing, easy commute into phoenix, a branch of ASU, etc.). the area around the school has housing similar to the AZCOM area (new, nice homes, shopping, etc). it's right by the 60--which connects and makes it easy to get most anywhere in the valley fast. mesa's really close to ..tempe..--which has a lot of bars/clubs/nightlife and a young population--housing ASU.

my final opinion: phoenix/ ..tempe../ chandler/ gilbert/ mesa/ ..scottsdale../ ..glendale../ ..peoria.. have all grown into each other, making up the "phoenix area" and the valley is basically one continuum. phoenix is like any big city--there're good areas and 'shaky' areas. both schools are in good communities. i'd compare the two schools based on mission statements, interview opinions, and whatever else you use since the locations of both are solid. i personally might actually lean towards a.t. still based on the history of atsu here's an article from last year about the Still expansion. we have hot summers (112ish in july) with low humidity, good air conditioning and swimming pools. just when you think you can't take the heat anymore, we get our monsoons and thunderstorms (end of july-august) and the heat slowly starts to break. our winters are awesome and you can drive two hours to find snow and skiing--if you forget what it looks like.

hope that helps.
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MacGyver said:
All these med schools trying to sell themselves as "primary care" factories are fooling no one. Take FSU Med (MD) for example. They claim a mission of training rural doctors for Florida. I guarantee you in 5 years, their specialty match rate will be no different than any other med school in the country. They talk a good game but they dont back it up. Personally, any school that receives state funding, bills itself as a "primary care" school and then doesnt deliver at least 70% primary care grad match rate should have their public funding pulled. I dont spend taxpayer money so we can create more plastic surgeons who run off to Beverly Hills.
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Right. The "primary care factory" label is one intended to get them enough money to get off the ground because they know that's what the state is concerned about.

But there isn't a whole lot they can do. Even if a school like FSU picked an entire class of people who swore to everything holy that they would only do primary care, that were engulfed in primary care electives only, and so on... the school would STILL turn out specialists because of all the real-world benefits of being a specialist over a primary care doc.

You say they can't back it up.... how can they? They push and they push the idealogies but people look past that and see the reality of it. If they get their funding pulled... what good does that do? It's better for the state to put out specialists than no doctors at all.

Regardless, you'll pay your taxes and the state will do pretty much whatever they want. So if they're not allocating your money to schools to put out surgeons you don't approve of, they may use that money to build roads you'll never drive on. It's not worth getting upset about.
 
I know I am not the first person to bring this up...

The majority of you pre-meds think that these new schools are the best thing since canned beer & night baseball. Yes they improve your chances to get into med school if you apply to them. However, if these schools get going & do not have proper associated resources, they quality of education will falter. And for the admission standards to drop just so they can fill the classes & make their money back would be a disservice to the profession.

Not to mention these schools are being set up w/out any residencies associated w/ them. Oh, and then there is the problem of accreditation...A little easier if they are associated w/ an established university, but if the school is brand new it could be tough. Should you happen to be a MS-IV applying to residencies from a non-accredited institution...Good luck. All programs have a stipulation that students must be from an accredited institution.

All I want to say is that you pre-meds need to think further down the road than this application cycle. Questions about associated hospitals & residencies should be the first ones you ask when you interview at these new school.
 
Krazykritter said:
I know I am not the first person to bring this up...

The majority of you pre-meds think that these new schools are the best thing since canned beer & night baseball. Yes they improve your chances to get into med school if you apply to them. However, if these schools get going & do not have proper associated resources, they quality of education will falter. And for the admission standards to drop just so they can fill the classes & make their money back would be a disservice to the profession.

Not to mention these schools are being set up w/out any residencies associated w/ them. Oh, and then there is the problem of accreditation...A little easier if they are associated w/ an established university, but if the school is brand new it could be tough. Should you happen to be a MS-IV applying to residencies from a non-accredited institution...Good luck. All programs have a stipulation that students must be from an accredited institution.

All I want to say is that you pre-meds need to think further down the road than this application cycle. Questions about associated hospitals & residencies should be the first ones you ask when you interview at these new school.
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I think that everyone that isn't a premed feels this way.
 
I agree w/ you Buckeye...It just always tends to get me a little bothered when I check the forums & I see threads like this where some pre-med posts it with exclamation marks. Of course it is then followed by the next 30 or so pre-meds that say how awesome this is, yada yada yada.

Part of applying to/being in medical school is about making informed decisions. People who totally support all these new schools don't have any clue & obviously haven't done any research on the current state of osteopathic residencies/medical education.
 
DRKUBA said:
and some premeds, I posted my feelings about this at the beginning of the thread.
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Yeah, but then you asked if you were being ignorant. If anyone is being ignorant its the people that are like, oh sweet, I have a 16 and a 2.65gpa and more schools are opening up = better chance for me!!!!!
 
Buckeye(OH) said:
Yeah, but then you asked if you were being ignorant. If anyone is being ignorant its the people that are like, oh sweet, I have a 16 and a 2.65gpa and more schools are opening up = better chance for me!!!!!
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It may sound cruel but sometimes you just really aren't meant to be a doctor and need to consider other things in life. Applying more then twice is trying to find a loophole in the system.
 
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