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[jhrugger]

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Browsing the CWRU website, i saw two separate schools of medicine granting Case Western degrees... 'the cleveland clinic lerner college of medicine' and then the regular 'case western school of medicine'

is there a difference in education, competition for admission, etc. between these two schools? and when applying, is it clear which one you pick?

any info you could shed on which case western school to apply to and if there is in fact any difference between them would be great.

thanks in advance

 

[principessa]

Browsing the CWRU website, i saw two separate schools of medicine granting Case Western degrees... 'the cleveland clinic lerner college of medicine' and then the regular 'case western school of medicine'

is there a difference in education, competition for admission, etc. between these two schools? and when applying, is it clear which one you pick?

any info you could shed on which case western school to apply to and if there is in fact any difference between them would be great.

thanks in advance

Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine is a special program run by Case Western and the Cleveland Clinic. As far as I know, their classes are separate from Case Western School of Medicine, but they might share rotations. It's a 5 year program and you get an M.D. and a Master's, I think. It's geared to people who want to do research. It is new (in the first year), so it hasn't really built a reputation, good or bad. I think there are 30 or so spots in each class, maybe more in coming years. The primary application is the same, the secondaries and interviews are separate. You can apply to both if you want. Try to find someone on here who's entering the program next year. They can tell you much more about it.

 

[nikoo]

From what I know, the Cleveland Clinic has a very UNtraditional curriculum, with basically no class time and lots of PBL. It is quite selective and you should be sure you would want to enter a program like this one.

 

[askew01]

www.clevelandclinic.org/cclcm

 

[fuzzylogic]

hi all,

maybe i can be of a help to answer some of your questions/concerns. i was admitted to the cclcm program. i have decided to matriculate elsewhere, instead.

case has two programs, the university program and the college program. the university program is the "traditional" case program while the college program really belongs to cleveland clinic. there are several differences between the two:

class size: case - 146, cclcm - 32;
program length (yrs): case - 4, cclcm - 5;
class location: case - cwru med school, cclcm - cleveland clinic;
teaching approach: case - traditional lecture and a little pbl, cclcm - pbl (3X/wk) and some lectures;
program focus: case - trying to incorporate the public health component to the program, cclcm - trying to focus on the clinical research;

both case and the clinic can benefit from the affiliation. case can get their students better tertiary clinical trainings while the clinic can get their name out (research). i don't really think that these programs compete for students since each program focuses on different areas. both programs are amazing. you can't go wrong with either one. when you fill out case's secondary, it will be very clear for you to pick the one that you want. hope this helps. if you have any more questions, please do ask away.

good luck.

 

[oldtimer]

What's the chance that CCLCM will break away completely and eventually form its own medical school? Is CCLCM piggybacking off Case for its well-known name recognition until its own program becomes established? I don't see why CCLCM couldn't become another Mayo Clinic. I think that Case benefits tremendously from being affiliated with the Cleveland Clinic, but I wonder how long that partnership will last.

 

[exmike]

What's the chance that CCLCM will break away completely and eventually form its own medical school? Is CCLCM piggybacking off Case for its well-known name recognition until its own program becomes established? I don't see why CCLCM couldn't become another Mayo Clinic. I think that Case benefits tremendously from being affiliated with the Cleveland Clinic, but I wonder how long that partnership will last.

From what I gathered, CCLCM was created through a grant by a Mr. Lerner as a way to end the rivalry between Case and Cleveland Clinic. Mr. Lerner set aside a sum for the creation of a new medical education program that could only be used if the two institutions set aside their rivalry and created the new school together. In fact, an institution such as CCLCM makes perfect sense given the the Case research reputation and the Cleveland Clinic clincal reputation. The program is worth much more as a "sum of the parts". It'll be interesting to seehow the research prowress of Case and the clinical prowress of Cleveland Clinic meld together. I think that if executed well CCLCM could become one of the premier programs in the country.

I can see how CCLCM could break off to become an institution like Mayo, but Mayo is a much larger research institution than cleveland clinic is by itself so I don't see the advantage (currently) of an independent CCLCM.

A smaller point is that CCLCM isn't accredited to grant MD's, so it must issue it's MD's through Case similar to how Drew of Drew/UCLA isnt the degree granting program, UCLA is.

I've noted before the similarity of this program in some ways to the JMP and Regular MD at UCSF. Both are parts of UCSF, one is a four year program and the JMP is a five year program, with the JMP including a one year research/MS component. Although the masters can be anything, I think most people chose some health or clinically related area.

 

[fuzzylogic]

What's the chance that CCLCM will break away completely and eventually form its own medical school? Is CCLCM piggybacking off Case for its well-known name recognition until its own program becomes established? I don't see why CCLCM couldn't become another Mayo Clinic. I think that Case benefits tremendously from being affiliated with the Cleveland Clinic, but I wonder how long that partnership will last.

great point. as far as i understand, the clinic received a large private donation ($100m over the next 10 yrs) from mr. lerner to establish the school. the fine print is that the clinic has to work with case. at the revisit, deans from case/cclcm ensured students that cclcm has no intention to break away from the partnership.

 

[niveknat]

I second fuzzylogic's statement. CCLCM has no intention of breaking off with Case, and that was assured by the deans at the Revisit. One could speculate about the possibility of the split off in the future, but that would be mere speculation.

CCLCM is geared to those who want to be physician-investigators and pursue research careers or academic medicine. Case focuses on its highly rated clinical program but also offers research opportunities. Both are a part of Case Med school. I believe there will be interaction between students even though the programs are at different places, and the people at CCLCM are really trying to push that there will be resources for CCLCM students at Case and that there will be "much social intermingling". How much of that will occur only time will tell. The administration is very open to changes, though.

Oh, and CCLCM will use prosected as opposed to dissected cadavers, which means that you won't actually be doing the cutting. But if you want to dissect, they will give you additional opportunities in 3rd yr or you can do the MS in Applied Anatomy at Case.