To those of you interviewed at the Cleveland Clinic...

[misteratoz]

They gave us a folder with a list of names and contact info of the people who were doing interviews. I lost mine and can't find that info on the website. Can someone PM me that list? I would really appreciate it.

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[Noyac]

I believe the Cleveland Clinic may be the worst crna mil in existence.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Dam272]

I believe the Cleveland Clinic may be the worst crna mil in existence.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I have heard the same. Would love some first-hand perspective on the same

 

[Robotic Wis-Hipple]

I interviewed there for both residency and fellowship. I wasn't overly impressed with their residency program, or the few graduates of their program I've encountered. But you can't deny their CT fellowship is somewhere in the top 3, many would say consensus #1.

With that said, I didn't go there for either, just not my style.

 

[Dam272]

I interviewed there for both residency and fellowship. I wasn't overly impressed with their residency program, or the few graduates of their program I've encountered. But you can't deny their CT fellowship is somewhere in the top 3, many would say consensus #1.

With that said, I didn't go there for either, just not my style.

Any particular reason for not liking the program?

 

[Arch Guillotti]

I interviewed there for both residency and fellowship. I wasn't overly impressed with their residency program, or the few graduates of their program I've encountered. But you can't deny their CT fellowship is somewhere in the top 3, many would say consensus #1.

It's actually second to none.

 

[criticalelement]

It's actually second to none.

clearly an opinion..

Not a very good one at that.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

clearly an opinion..

Not a very good one at that.

 

[chocomorsel]

It's actually second to none.

I love it. I get sarcasm.

 

[chocomorsel]

PM Amyl and Narcusprince. They went there and seemed to have loved it.

 

[CCFresident2016]

Longtime lurker. Current CCF resident. Giving my first hand feedback.

To answer the original question. Given the surgical volume performed at CCF the board couldn't be run with 20 residents. Like most other large hospitals (Mayo, upmc, duke etc), we do have CRNA's who help with the board. They try to assign residents to cases with most learning opportunities. Barring the occasional oversight the assignments are well made. There is an SRNA program with twelve per class. We don't really interact with the SRNA's much as the spread them out to community hospitals most of the time. Residents stay at main campus except maybe ~5 months of residency. I don't know the average number per class at other places but I presume it's about the same. In our brief interactions, I have found them all easy going.

The CRNA's for the most part are easy to work with as well. We don't compete for any cases. In subspecialties they're absolutely needed to have a smooth day. They're helpful in getting us lunches, breaks, and relief in the evenings.

 

[Dam272]

Longtime lurker. Current CCF resident. Giving my first hand feedback.

To answer the original question. Given the surgical volume performed at CCF the board couldn't be run with 20 residents. Like most other large hospitals (Mayo, upmc, duke etc), we do have CRNA's who help with the board. They try to assign residents to cases with most learning opportunities. Barring the occasional oversight the assignments are well made. There is an SRNA program with twelve per class. We don't really interact with the SRNA's much as the spread them out to community hospitals most of the time. Residents stay at main campus except maybe ~5 months of residency. I don't know the average number per class at other places but I presume it's about the same. In our brief interactions, I have found them all easy going.

The CRNA's for the most part are easy to work with as well. We don't compete for any cases. In subspecialties they're absolutely needed to have a smooth day. They're helpful in getting us lunches, breaks, and relief in the evenings.

Thanks for clearing that out. How would you rate the work atmosphere in terms of friendliness?
What are the average work hours? People getting into CC fellowship?
Would it be possible to raise a family on that salary?

 

[Robotic Wis-Hipple]

Thanks for clearing that out. How would you rate the work atmosphere in terms of friendliness?
What are the average work hours? People getting into CC fellowship?
Would it be possible to raise a family on that salary?

Critical care fellowship? From what I know it's not that competitive of a fellowship and certainly with avg or above avg stats, good letters (most important), and any one of the top let's say 50 residency programs behind you you'll be able to secure a CCM fellowship.

As far as the salary, the difference in pay between programs is literally a few thousand dollars, definitely not something to pick a program over. Cost of living in the city where the program is ends up being a much bigger factor. But again, IMO, this is pretty far down the list of priorities when picking the place you are going to live for 3-4 yrs and acquire the training that makes your career.

 

[Dam272]

Critical care fellowship? From what I know it's not that competitive of a fellowship and certainly with avg or above avg stats, good letters (most important), and any one of the top let's say 50 residency programs behind you you'll be able to secure a CCM fellowship.

As far as the salary, the difference in pay between programs is literally a few thousand dollars, definitely not something to pick a program over. Cost of living in the city where the program is ends up being a much bigger factor. But again, IMO, this is pretty far down the list of priorities when picking the place you are going to live for 3-4 yrs and acquire the training that makes your career.

True, but it is all individualised. What aspects may be important to somebody, may not be as important for another. That's the reason 2 people IVing at the same places dont necessarily have similar ROL.

 

[CCFresident2016]

I would agree with the other poster. Critical care is kind of a buyer's market. You'll probably have your pick of where you want to go. It's not too competitive. For fellowships matches, I found that most of us got our #1. You can ask for specifics on your interview day if you'd like.

Otherwise, cost of living is affordable. Living downtown in the business district might be extensive since the Cavs, Brown's, and Indians all play downtown and there are a ton of bars etc nearby. If you live in shaker or Cle heights it's about 600-700/ 1 bedroom apt. Your take home pay after taxes is about 1600 every two weeks. I think that's pretty manageable to have a family on that salary. Just depends on your spending. But I would say there are families & homeowners in each of our classes. And I don't think any of them have issues.

I'd agree with above poster. Salaries are general comparable between all programs. Cost of living & moonlighting options is a much bigger factor than salary in terms of your disposable income. With that said most cities outside of Chicago, NYC, and L.A. will have similar lifestyles.

True, but it is all individualised. What aspects may be important to somebody, may not be as important for another. That's the reason 2 people IVing at the same places dont necessarily have similar ROL.

 

[2Fast2Des]

I have heard the same. Would love some first-hand perspective on the same

I have heard CCF grads are pretty good out in the real world d/t the level of pathology they work with on a routine bases, fwiw... Also heard CCF corporate brass is hell bent on decreasing the physician presence/role through expansion of the number and roles of midlevels helping them practice at the fullest extent of their license, supposedly in ordered to prepare for the inevitable bundle care payments and lowering health care costs blah blah, so yeah take that for what its worth.. Although the CRNAs are almighty supposedly since they are some of the best in the nation, 2nd to themselves hahaha 🙄

 

[misteratoz]

Hey guys! OP here.

Seriously thanks for the help. This was very helpful /s

 

[deleted171991]

It's actually second to none.

So it's worse doing a CT fellowship at CCF than not doing one at all? 😀

 

[amyl]

I went to CCF. I am very thankful for my clinical experience there - it is second to none. I was briefly staff at another anesthesia program. Sorry but with a very few exceptions their residents were terrible and very behind compared to where we were at the same point in training. There is no case I can't do and didn't do. My numbers, especially for the big stuff, regional etc. were in excess -- I think I had my regional numbers as an intern -- but I didn't do that many lap choles lol. Its a fabulous program. My first liver transplant was a liver/CABG. I did redo fem pops on recent MI patients still on AC, seizing eclamptics, pregnant women with cardiomyopathy and EFs of 10%..... they do the hard cases that other hospitals turn away. there was no case I just read about - we did plenty of everything.
CCF on my resume has opened doors - I think its not just the name its the case log too. Every time I interview people comment on what a strong program it is clinically. At my new job I was recently asked to help hire a new doc..... I specifically sought out a ccf grad and hired her. All of the people here say they can tell we trained at the same program.
as far as relationships with the crnas - I had an excellent one. there is no lack of clinical experience there for anyone. Im still Facebook friends with a few of the crnas and keep in touch with them. In emergency situations, when it was all hands on deck, like a ruptured triple A, we worked together well. I feel like there was much less animosity at CCF between the residents and the crnas than there was at the academic program I worked at for awhile.
Ive been out for 4 years but I doubt its changed that much. I am truly blessed to have trained at that program and miss it very much.... I might've stayed except its in cleveland and Im over the northern weather.