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For past couple of days, I've been reading BR for GChem, Physics, and OChem. While I do agree that their content review is great, I feel that I'm learning things that are not helping me for passages (Passages destroy me..), and it's discouraging that it takes me about 6 hours to read a chapter (I can't go through them any faster because this is my normal speed). I think that's too much... Everyone here says BR is great for those three subjects, so I'm going with that.. But, I am pretty strong at those three subjects, and I'm wondering, would it be detrimental for me to go EK for those three subjects and do passages from BR and TPR workbook?

I don't know... I already feel like I'm getting burned out because I'm losing confidence in this test (I lost some because of biology, and PS was supposed to be my strong section and BR content review basically makes me to think like I don't know anything... and by the time I go to passages, I'm just tired and want to get them over with).

Ugh..Thank you. I feel like such a helpless student when it comes to MCAT. :beat:
 
Learn how to read faster or the verbal and bio sections of the MCAT will kill you on time.

And take my advice, DO NOT USE BR FOR ORGO, use something less detailed. They are phasing orgo out of the MCAT, and the questions I just had were really easy. I felt like I wasted a lot of time that I could have focused on more important things (molecular bio / genetics) with BR's organic text.

And don't get discouraged if you don't do that well on BR's end of chapter passages. A lot of them are HARD, especially in biology.
 
Learn how to read faster or the verbal and bio sections of the MCAT will kill you on time.

And take my advice, DO NOT USE BR FOR ORGO, use something less detailed. They are phasing orgo out of the MCAT, and the questions I just had were really easy. I felt like I wasted a lot of time that I could have focused on more important things (molecular bio / genetics) with BR's organic text.

And don't get discouraged if you don't do that well on BR's end of chapter passages. A lot of them are HARD, especially in biology.

I know exactly what you mean. I agree that don't use the orgo I'm going to just use EK for that except for the reactivity and lab technique sections.
 
Learn how to read faster or the verbal and bio sections of the MCAT will kill you on time.

And take my advice, DO NOT USE BR FOR ORGO, use something less detailed. They are phasing orgo out of the MCAT, and the questions I just had were really easy. I felt like I wasted a lot of time that I could have focused on more important things (molecular bio / genetics) with BR's organic text.

And don't get discouraged if you don't do that well on BR's end of chapter passages. A lot of them are HARD, especially in biology.

See, I don't have problem with reading for Verbal. I used to read NYT/WSJ everyday, so I read pretty quick for Verbal (doesn't meet I score well, but it's only couple days into practices). It's just that I cannot read science texts fast, especially biology, and BR texts make physical science sections like biology reading.

I'll definitely take your advice for using something lighter for Orgo. I'm thinking of using EK.

What about using EK for Gchem and Physics for content review?
 
I realized chapter 1 of TBR orgo correlated with chapter one and some parts of chapter 2 of my Bruice orgo textbook. I did understand those concept well when i took orgo one last year but going through it again solidified my understanding. I spent about 5hrs reading the chapter, but i think it's worth it. I'd rather do a good review where i understand concepts and stuff than skim through stuff. Reading TBR made me appreciate my textbook because i was looking at the same concepts again and i understood it and for the ones that weren't at the tip of my memory, i remembered the book had covered it and it came back.
It really depends on you, if you understand the concepts, you can use EK. i think EK is good with concepts.
For Gchem an physics, EK covers the topics but lightly. Some stuff they just throw the equations there. if you have the summer to review, i say do a thorough one and cover your bases. my 2 cents.
 
For past couple of days, I've been reading BR for GChem, Physics, and OChem. While I do agree that their content review is great, I feel that I'm learning things that are not helping me for passages (Passages destroy me..), and it's discouraging that it takes me about 6 hours to read a chapter (I can't go through them any faster because this is my normal speed). I think that's too much... Everyone here says BR is great for those three subjects, so I'm going with that.. But, I am pretty strong at those three subjects, and I'm wondering, would it be detrimental for me to go EK for those three subjects and do passages from BR and TPR workbook?

I don't know... I already feel like I'm getting burned out because I'm losing confidence in this test (I lost some because of biology, and PS was supposed to be my strong section and BR content review basically makes me to think like I don't know anything... and by the time I go to passages, I'm just tired and want to get them over with).

Ugh..Thank you. I feel like such a helpless student when it comes to MCAT. :beat:


Hey man I totally feel your pain. I am in the SAME exact boat (except im not studying ochem bc i know it like the back of my hand from tutoring). It takes me forever to cover TBR and review BUT, it is well worth it. Heres my advice, as I have am using the TPR,TBR, and EK as well:

First, read the EK books for PS just to get a brief overview, then go through the TPR science workbook and read that while highlighting and taking notes on key concepts; Then, read the TBR book, and take notes on anything that was LEFT OUT OF THE TPR to make sure you've covered every major topic, from every angel. It will stick, trust me.

Review your notes thoroughly and make sure understand everything. Then, do the phase I of TBR, review it, and see where your weaknesses are and address those. I did this for acid+bases, waves, fluids, and titrations and I have REALLLLLLY improved. Also, don't get frustrated, TBR is harder than AAMC. gluck
 
Hey man I totally feel your pain. I am in the SAME exact boat (except im not studying ochem bc i know it like the back of my hand from tutoring). It takes me forever to cover TBR and review BUT, it is well worth it. Heres my advice, as I have am using the TPR,TBR, and EK as well:

First, read the EK books for PS just to get a brief overview, then go through the TPR science workbook and read that while highlighting and taking notes on key concepts; Then, read the TBR book, and take notes on anything that was LEFT OUT OF THE TPR to make sure you've covered every major topic, from every angel. It will stick, trust me.

Review your notes thoroughly and make sure understand everything. Then, do the phase I of TBR, review it, and see where your weaknesses are and address those. I did this for acid+bases, waves, fluids, and titrations and I have REALLLLLLY improved. Also, don't get frustrated, TBR is harder than AAMC. gluck

Thank you. I appreciate all the responses. They are always great - and I do really mean that.

I have taken everything into consideration and analysis from 30+ habits to come up with new schedule plan that focuses more on developing skills for relevant sections for MCAT. I think that I'll be less stressed now so best of luck to everyone who's studying this summer! 🙂
 
Thank you. I appreciate all the responses. They are always great - and I do really mean that.

I have taken everything into consideration and analysis from 30+ habits to come up with new schedule plan that focuses more on developing skills for relevant sections for MCAT. I think that I'll be less stressed now so best of luck to everyone who's studying this summer! 🙂

can you explain wat your plan is? B/C im in the same boat, i spend too much time reading chapters and reviewing information. (5-6 hours just for ONE CHAPTER.) then im too tired to concentrate on questions/practice passages and i feel like i learned nothing during the day.
 
Hey man I totally feel your pain. I am in the SAME exact boat (except im not studying ochem bc i know it like the back of my hand from tutoring). It takes me forever to cover TBR and review BUT, it is well worth it. Heres my advice, as I have am using the TPR,TBR, and EK as well:

First, read the EK books for PS just to get a brief overview, then go through the TPR science workbook and read that while highlighting and taking notes on key concepts; Then, read the TBR book, and take notes on anything that was LEFT OUT OF THE TPR to make sure you've covered every major topic, from every angel. It will stick, trust me.

Review your notes thoroughly and make sure understand everything. Then, do the phase I of TBR, review it, and see where your weaknesses are and address those. I did this for acid+bases, waves, fluids, and titrations and I have REALLLLLLY improved. Also, don't get frustrated, TBR is harder than AAMC. gluck

Dude, that sounds like a great plan but how much time did you set aside to do ALL of that? Are you using a 6 month study plan or something because going through 3 books for one topic will undoubtedly take you 2 days to do that. There are about 8-10 topics per subject...is that realistic? I'm sure you probably teach the class after doing that lol...kinda reminds me of LIS. God bless that person, it is people like that that show you that if you set enough time and dedication to something you can conquer it no matter what. (7 months, 41 MCAT)
 
No, actually I am doing that in a day, with 2 passages of verbal from TPR workbook. I will testing in August, so no I do not have 6 months and I am only doing that for topics that I am very weak in. I took AAMC #3 & #4 and found my week spots, and so I am addressing those before summer school starts.

I am trying to stay productive before summer school, and have made decent progress so far but my prep schedule is crazy.

I study from 9-5, then go to the TPR class, and then after class I study from about 10-3 am; Yes, I know it sucks but again, I need to take advantage of my time before summer school starts; I take Friday Nights off, and Saturdays too.

I am strictly focusing on PS, as I have a very good understanding on bio and got a 10 on my first AAMC bio section. Periodically,I review some bio and I will take practice tests to make sure my bio scores were not a fluke
 
can you explain wat your plan is? B/C im in the same boat, i spend too much time reading chapters and reviewing information. (5-6 hours just for ONE CHAPTER.) then im too tired to concentrate on questions/practice passages and i feel like i learned nothing during the day.

Sure, I responded to another user here in a more general advice, but I'll go on more detailed approach here.

My reasoning, based on seeing an user who scored really well, is that your study plan should reflect not just how much time you have, but how you retain information. For me, reading prep books over and over again will not teach me biology that I will need. I will end up memorizing details without truly understanding how mechanisms and physiology work, and no prep books really teach you that for content review. You need to glance over prep book to get the basic idea and important terminology, but you have to use non-MCAT book (textbook or study guide or your notes, whatever) to get the reasoning skills.

Not everyone, however, is like this. There are people who understand reasoning skills by simply reading the terms. These people are often the same people who worked diligently in their biology courses and may have taken upper level biology (Cell Biology, Molec. Biology, Biochemistry, Physiology, Neuro, etc..). In that case, do not waste your time with non-MCAT books and stick to SN2ed's plan because you will be doing well on biology as long as 1) you know your organic chemistry, and 2) you already have the reasoning skills.

MCAT is a reasoning skills, not a knowledge test, and my belief is that if you lack a fundamental background, practice passages alone will NOT teach you the reasoning beyond the materials tested in the practice passages.

Let me add to that above statement: I have read about how many people who focused on physiology saw biochemistry/cell/molecular passages in the actual MCAT. And vice versa. This means that if you really had a horrible background in one sub-discipline over another, and that happens to be on the exam, you are screwed because you may not be able to apply anything that is not like your practice MCATs (I have heard many times how some people's real MCATs are NOT what their practices were like...).

I will be timing myself on how much I'll review so that I'll have enough time to do problems (I'll do a realistic amount of problems/passages) and review the problems done. I haven't actually got to how much time one should dedicate to reviewing (SN2ed says 2-3 times more... I think that it depends on the subject). For me, if I get a question wrong in Physics, it usually ends up me smacking the head for not seeing the obvious. On the other hand, something I get wrong in Biology may require me to read on that topic more because a paragraph in BR's explanation will not suffice.

Take one thing as my home message: Do not trust SN2ed's plan as a holy Bible, and he does acknowledge this (he says, Sadly, there is no guide out there that guarantees 30+. Many people seem to not read this part). A lot of users (including myself) tend to do that. I'm not saying that SN2ed's schedule is invalid; it is an excellent schedule from someone who knows well about MCAT, but no one knows you better than yourself. Adjust the schedule to see how you would learn the best. If it's memorizing, memorize. If it's reading, read. If it's doing problems, do lots of problems. As long as you set up enough time AFTER content reviews to do thorough practices and FLs (you should be doing some while you do content review though), I think you should be golden.
 
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Sure, I responded to another user here in a more general advice, but I'll go on more detailed approach here.

My reasoning, based on seeing an user who scored really well, is that your study plan should reflect not just how much time you have, but how you retain information. For me, reading prep books over and over again will not teach me biology that I will need. I will end up memorizing details without truly understanding how mechanisms and physiology work, and no prep books really teach you that for content review. You need to glance over prep book to get the basic idea and important terminology, but you have to use non-MCAT book (textbook or study guide or your notes, whatever) to get the reasoning skills.

Not everyone, however, is like this. There are people who understand reasoning skills by simply reading the terms. These people are often the same people who worked diligently in their biology courses and may have taken upper level biology (Cell Biology, Molec. Biology, Biochemistry, Physiology, Neuro, etc..). In that case, do not waste your time with non-MCAT books and stick to SN2ed's plan because you will be doing well on biology as long as 1) you know your organic chemistry, and 2) you already have the reasoning skills.

MCAT is a reasoning skills, not a knowledge test, and my belief is that if you lack a fundamental background, practice passages alone will NOT teach you the reasoning beyond the materials tested in the practice passages.

Let me add to that above statement: I have read about how many people who focused on physiology saw biochemistry/cell/molecular passages in the actual MCAT. And vice versa. This means that if you really had a horrible background in one sub-discipline over another, and that happens to be on the exam, you are screwed because you may not be able to apply anything that is not like your practice MCATs (I have heard many times how some people's real MCATs are NOT what their practices were like...).

I will be timing myself on how much I'll review so that I'll have enough time to do problems (I'll do a realistic amount of problems/passages) and review the problems done. I haven't actually got to how much time one should dedicate to reviewing (SN2ed says 2-3 times more... I think that it depends on the subject). For me, if I get a question wrong in Physics, it usually ends up me smacking the head for not seeing the obvious. On the other hand, something I get wrong in Biology may require me to read on that topic more because a paragraph in BR's explanation will not suffice.

Take one thing as my home message: Do not trust SN2ed's plan as a holy Bible, and he does acknowledge this (he says, Sadly, there is no guide out there that guarantees 30+. Many people seem to not read this part). A lot of users (including myself) tend to do that. I'm not saying that SN2ed's schedule is invalid; it is an excellent schedule from someone who knows well about MCAT, but no one knows you better than yourself. Adjust the schedule to see how you would learn the best. If it's memorizing, memorize. If it's reading, read. If it's doing problems, do lots of problems. As long as you set up enough time AFTER content reviews to do thorough practices and FLs (you should be doing some while you do content review though), I think you should be golden.

that was confusing...so are you suggesting that we use some non-mcat books if we are having a hard time reasoning through the practice test/passages??!?!
 
that was confusing...so are you suggesting that we use some non-mcat books if we are having a hard time reasoning through the practice test/passages??!?!

No.

What I meant was if you seriously lack the fundamental background then refer to your notes. For me, I don't have good bio notes (everything was powerpoints copied off form publisher by the instructor) so I have to refer to study guides to get the basic biology on top of reading EK Bio book.

Blindly reading through textbooks, notes, and study guides to hope that you can get the reasoning is absurd. My "plan" is to use the textbook as a reference in some areas and main reading in others.

For example, I didn't really understand titrations in my class. So, I'll have to re-learn it on BR books because they go on thorough review. On the other hand, other GChem things come pretty natural to me so if I end up coming across something I don't remember or can't seem to understand the reasoning on solutions for simple topics (say, electrochemistry and Nernst equation), then I'll just take a peek at textbook because I read my books religiously during the course.

Most of times, you SHOULD be able to get everything out of prep books, but many prep books "assume" that you have certain amount of background information. If you have really strong background, just skim EK and take practice tests. If you have semi-strong background, what you do is up to you - strong content review solely by prep books, or mixed with your notes. If you have a weak background, I say stick to the prep books because prep books sometimes tend to make obscure things make sense more. If you have an awfully bad background, I say use prep book but also notes to get further understanding. --> This is more relevant to biology though. For non-biology, you should spend times doing problems (people like EK 1001's) because that seems to hammer the concept pretty well.

As always, this is what I'm doing - everyone's different.
 
No.

What I meant was if you seriously lack the fundamental background then refer to your notes. For me, I don't have good bio notes (everything was powerpoints copied off form publisher by the instructor) so I have to refer to study guides to get the basic biology on top of reading EK Bio book.

Blindly reading through textbooks, notes, and study guides to hope that you can get the reasoning is absurd. My "plan" is to use the textbook as a reference in some areas and main reading in others.

For example, I didn't really understand titrations in my class. So, I'll have to re-learn it on BR books because they go on thorough review. On the other hand, other GChem things come pretty natural to me so if I end up coming across something I don't remember or can't seem to understand the reasoning on solutions for simple topics (say, electrochemistry and Nernst equation), then I'll just take a peek at textbook because I read my books religiously during the course.

Most of times, you SHOULD be able to get everything out of prep books, but many prep books "assume" that you have certain amount of background information. If you have really strong background, just skim EK and take practice tests. If you have semi-strong background, what you do is up to you - strong content review solely by prep books, or mixed with your notes. If you have a weak background, I say stick to the prep books because prep books sometimes tend to make obscure things make sense more. If you have an awfully bad background, I say use prep book but also notes to get further understanding. --> This is more relevant to biology though. For non-biology, you should spend times doing problems (people like EK 1001's) because that seems to hammer the concept pretty well.

As always, this is what I'm doing - everyone's different.

yeah, that sounds good. thanks for sharing. i looked at the EK1001 today, i think your right on about how they hammer the concepts. i think if anyone completes 60%-70% of the free standings on there they should be good. they are so repetitive that its impossible not to understand after finishing half of the questions.
 
Sure, I responded to another user here in a more general advice, but I'll go on more detailed approach here.

My reasoning, based on seeing an user who scored really well, is that your study plan should reflect not just how much time you have, but how you retain information. For me, reading prep books over and over again will not teach me biology that I will need. I will end up memorizing details without truly understanding how mechanisms and physiology work, and no prep books really teach you that for content review. You need to glance over prep book to get the basic idea and important terminology, but you have to use non-MCAT book (textbook or study guide or your notes, whatever) to get the reasoning skills.

Not everyone, however, is like this. There are people who understand reasoning skills by simply reading the terms. These people are often the same people who worked diligently in their biology courses and may have taken upper level biology (Cell Biology, Molec. Biology, Biochemistry, Physiology, Neuro, etc..). In that case, do not waste your time with non-MCAT books and stick to SN2ed's plan because you will be doing well on biology as long as 1) you know your organic chemistry, and 2) you already have the reasoning skills.

MCAT is a reasoning skills, not a knowledge test, and my belief is that if you lack a fundamental background, practice passages alone will NOT teach you the reasoning beyond the materials tested in the practice passages.

Let me add to that above statement: I have read about how many people who focused on physiology saw biochemistry/cell/molecular passages in the actual MCAT. And vice versa. This means that if you really had a horrible background in one sub-discipline over another, and that happens to be on the exam, you are screwed because you may not be able to apply anything that is not like your practice MCATs (I have heard many times how some people's real MCATs are NOT what their practices were like...).

I will be timing myself on how much I'll review so that I'll have enough time to do problems (I'll do a realistic amount of problems/passages) and review the problems done. I haven't actually got to how much time one should dedicate to reviewing (SN2ed says 2-3 times more... I think that it depends on the subject). For me, if I get a question wrong in Physics, it usually ends up me smacking the head for not seeing the obvious. On the other hand, something I get wrong in Biology may require me to read on that topic more because a paragraph in BR's explanation will not suffice.

Take one thing as my home message: Do not trust SN2ed's plan as a holy Bible, and he does acknowledge this (he says, Sadly, there is no guide out there that guarantees 30+. Many people seem to not read this part). A lot of users (including myself) tend to do that. I'm not saying that SN2ed's schedule is invalid; it is an excellent schedule from someone who knows well about MCAT, but no one knows you better than yourself. Adjust the schedule to see how you would learn the best. If it's memorizing, memorize. If it's reading, read. If it's doing problems, do lots of problems. As long as you set up enough time AFTER content reviews to do thorough practices and FLs (you should be doing some while you do content review though), I think you should be golden.


You're a beast man. I honestly think no one else has said it any better than you.
 
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