Too old to go to med school?

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Hi guys, I have a pretty lucrative career on Wall Street, however I’m getting kind of tired of it. I used to look up to my buddys dad growing up who was an Anesthesiologist and thought that if I ever became a doctor it would be in Anesthesia. Is 32yo too late to apply to med school? I don’t even really know how it all works. My grades weren’t the best in undergrad, but I feel I could provide a strong application. Thanks for your input
Not even close to old at 32. We had a guy in my close who was at least 50 and since he wasn’t like us twentysomethings he spent most of his off time studying and I’m pretty sure he graduated in the top 10 (not percent ….10). He wanted to be a physician to practice family medicine back in his rural hometown
 
Hi guys, I have a pretty lucrative career on Wall Street, however I’m getting kind of tired of it. I used to look up to my buddys dad growing up who was an Anesthesiologist and thought that if I ever became a doctor it would be in Anesthesia. Is 32yo too late to apply to med school? I don’t even really know how it all works. My grades weren’t the best in undergrad, but I feel I could provide a strong application. Thanks for your input
Had a 40 y.o. In my med school class…Don’t worry about bad grades, if you’re not too bright you can always be an orthopedic surgeon!!
 
Sorry guys, just now reading all of the replies. The “bj” in my name is actually “bjj” which refers to Brazilian jiu-jitsu. The 69 however, definitely refers to the sex position 😉
 
Seems like a troll post to me. Lucrative career on Wall Street but wants to go to Med school? Makes zero sense. Also says grades weren’t good in undergrad…I know grades aren’t everything but hard to imagine someone with a lucrative Wall Street career doing poor in undergrad
Not a troll post. I’ve been very lucky in my career. I mean, I’m not an MD pulling down millions a year (, but trajectory is there. As for grades, I’ve gotten all of my positions through nepotism and superb interviewing abilities.

In all honesty though, I have a very desirable skill that has allowed me to get my foot in the door at financial institutions.

The job is extremely unfulfilling though, and the higher up I go, I just dish off ****ty work to the new hire graduates. It sounds nice on paper, but I’d rather be the anesthesiologist in the OR when a patient codes (was that correct use of the term “code?”) and be the person everyone looks to when SHTF. At least this is my understanding of the dynamics in the OR, which also I could be mistaken.

Finally, over the years I’ve had many surgeries and I’ve always had very attentive Anesthesiologists. Surgeons don’t even know your name it seems like!
 
I’m also not really into the whole CRNA thing. I actually think it’s kind of BS what they are doing to your guys industry. I always try and request I speak with the Anesthesiologist before a procedure rather than a CRNA. How often it happens, I don’t know.
 
I’m also not really into the whole CRNA thing. I actually think it’s kind of BS what they are doing to your guys industry. I always try and request I speak with the Anesthesiologist before a procedure rather than a CRNA. How often it happens, I don’t know.
Not to mention top end CRNA is less than what I make now. Don’t get me wrong I like the possible career in medicine because you are helping people, but still money is at least a little bit important.

Divorced, no kids
 
Not a troll post. I’ve been very lucky in my career. I mean, I’m not an MD pulling down millions a year

Dude, from the last four posts, you need to get better information. Very few if any anesthesiologists make a million, let along “millions” a year.
Some of what you said, make sense from the outside or on TV. The reality is few and far in between.
I NEVER want anyone to “code” in the OR. Something is usually is not right, or something was amiss when a patient code, especially when they were walking talking beforehand.

I agree with the crna sentiments. Also realize, you may not be doing all your cases all the time, you may have to supervise at some point in your career. Lastly, you will be the “new kid” many many many times if you embark on this path, can you handle that?

find someone you trust as a doctor/or anesthesiologist have a heart to heart before you take this on.
 
Dude, from the last four posts, you need to get better information. Very few if any anesthesiologists make a million, let along “millions” a year.
Some of what you said, make sense from the outside or on TV. The reality is few and far in between.
I NEVER want anyone to “code” in the OR. Something is usually is not right, or something was amiss when a patient code, especially when they were walking talking beforehand.

I agree with the crna sentiments. Also realize, you may not be doing all your cases all the time, you may have to supervise at some point in your career. Lastly, you will be the “new kid” many many many times if you embark on this path, can you handle that?

find someone you trust as a doctor/or anesthesiologist have a heart to heart before you take this on.
MD means managing director in finance and is generally the top title for IB.
 
Sorry for the confusion. By MD I did mean “Managing Director” in the finance world. I’m a VP expecting between 400-500k this year. If I continue working hard for 10 years I can likely hit the MD mark where you are making over $1-2MM/yr in base salary alone, bonus is a lot as well. Not to mention I’m at one of the top I-banks so I’m constantly recruited by rival firms.
 
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Sorry for the confusion. By MD I did mean “Managing Director” in the finance world. I’m a VP expecting between 400-500k this year. If I continue working hard for 10 years I can likely hit the MD mark where you are making over $1-2MM/yr in base salary alone, bonus is a lot as well. Not to mention I’m at one of the top I-banks so I’m constantly recruited by rival firms.
So, you want to lose over 8 million in income to transition to become an Anesthesiologist? If money matters then that is a very poor financial decision. If money doesn’t matter then go for it. But, when you crunch the numbers (assuming you know how) you should plug in $450k as your attending salary once finished with all the training. Please don’t forget to include the medical school debt and resident salary in your numbers.
 
Sorry for the confusion. By MD I did mean “Managing Director” in the finance world. I’m a VP expecting between 400-500k this year. If I continue working hard for 10 years I can likely hit the MD mark where you are making over $1-2MM/yr in base salary alone, bonus is a lot as well. Not to mention I’m at one of the top I-banks so I’m constantly recruited by rival firms.
Don't do it. You may need a year or two to get accepted, then 4 yrs med school, then 4 yrs residency, another yr if you do a fellowship. Your looking 10 yrs minimum . Another factor not mentioned is call. As a resident, you will need to take night, weekend, and holiday call. With a 5 in front of your age, recovering from those shifts get harder. Stay where you are. You will end up with a bigger retirement nest egg if you stay and advance in your field.
 
Hi guys, I have a pretty lucrative career on Wall Street, however I’m getting kind of tired of it. I used to look up to my buddys dad growing up who was an Anesthesiologist and thought that if I ever became a doctor it would be in Anesthesia. Is 32yo too late to apply to med school? I don’t even really know how it all works. My grades weren’t the best in undergrad, but I feel I could provide a strong application. Thanks for your input
You are not too old. I started med school at 29. Currently, I am 30. There is a handful of students older than me, and they are in their 30s, 40s, and 50s. I really admire them for taking the risk and leaving their prior careers behind. In the end, you have to have to follow your heart and the call.
 
Please don't waste 10 years of your life to end up making probably about the same amount of money as you do now. You will thank me in 15 years when you are 50 and not having to poke some 350 lb lady in the back with a large needle screaming at you "is it in yet!" At 2 in the morning.

Please, please don't pursue this idea.
i imagine she said the same thing while trying to get pregnant...
 
I’d rather be the anesthesiologist in the OR when a patient codes (was that correct use of the term “code?”) and be the person everyone looks to when SHTF. At least this is my understanding of the dynamics in the OR, which also I could be mistaken.
yeah, you don't want to be that. i've had very few codes during my career because i try my damndest to not let the pt get to that point. there's no glory in being the "person everyone looks to" in those situations, not to mention MOST of anesthesia work is very very routine and not "shtf" moments. only do it IF it's your calling.
 
this is not a troll post. I’m just a guy who is extremely unsatisfied with his career and over the years always reminisced about what could’ve been had I gone into Anesthesia.

thanks for the responses guys, I’m not sure it makes a lot of sense at this point. I guess I kind of am locked in to what I do now. And as for the guy who said why is my only post in six months, well I was going to post this exact post six months ago, but then I got afraid that everyone would hate on me lol
 
this is not a troll post. I’m just a guy who is extremely unsatisfied with his career and over the years always reminisced about what could’ve been had I gone into Anesthesia.

thanks for the responses guys, I’m not sure it makes a lot of sense at this point. I guess I kind of am locked in to what I do now. And as for the guy who said why is my only post in six months, well I was going to post this exact post six months ago, but then I got afraid that everyone would hate on me lol

Now you know. 😉
I like to give people the benefit of doubt.

Do it only if you’re sure. Any ounce of doubt, then it ain’t it.

Current salary 400k*8=3.2M
Med school tuition, 50K/yr * 4 = 200K
Resident salary 60k * 4 = 240K

So you can make 400k/yr when you graduate and run codes in the OR….
 
Scientists say that the first person to live to 150 years old has already been born. Experimental therapies are on the horizon that hold the promise of extending human longevity even further. You should choose a career that you'll be happy with for the next 50-70 years at a minimum.
 
Sorry for the confusion. By MD I did mean “Managing Director” in the finance world. I’m a VP expecting between 400-500k this year. If I continue working hard for 10 years I can likely hit the MD mark where you are making over $1-2MM/yr in base salary alone, bonus is a lot as well. Not to mention I’m at one of the top I-banks so I’m constantly recruited by rival firms.
Can't you just stay in IB and make a lateral move either to a sector you like better or to a more pleasant firm...or both? How bout moving from the NE to the West Coast if you want to freshen things up?

I would definitely suggest trying a different league before trying an entirely different (and worse paying) sport.
 
Sorry for the confusion. By MD I did mean “Managing Director” in the finance world. I’m a VP expecting between 400-500k this year. If I continue working hard for 10 years I can likely hit the MD mark where you are making over $1-2MM/yr in base salary alone, bonus is a lot as well. Not to mention I’m at one of the top I-banks so I’m constantly recruited by rival firms.
It'll take you that same 10 years to get your first attend physician paycheck, and trust me, it won't be 1-2 million dollars. Stick to your day job.
 
Once you become financially independent for many people there is a “well, now what” moment, especially if you find your current job to be boring or miserable. For some people being a doctor provides them fulfillment. Bill gates has a daughter in medical school. Zuckerberg’s wife still went through residency and practiced for a few years full time before scaling back to 1-2x a month. Neither needed to work any job, let alone train to become a doctor.

That said it’s quite possible OP is not FI yet. It’s very easy for lifestyle creep + New York cost of living absurdities (especially if they have kids) to eat away their $. After 10 years I’m actually surprised they’re not making more money.
 
Once you become financially independent for many people there is a “well, now what” moment, especially if you find your current job to be boring or miserable. For some people being a doctor provides them fulfillment. Bill gates has a daughter in medical school. Zuckerberg’s wife still went through residency and practiced for a few years full time before scaling back to 1-2x a month. Neither needed to work any job, let alone train to become a doctor.

That said it’s quite possible OP is not FI yet. It’s very easy for lifestyle creep + New York cost of living absurdities (especially if they have kids) to eat away their $. After 10 years I’m actually surprised they’re not making more money.
You mention people in your post where "money doesn't matter" as they are already multi-millionaires/Billionaires. Med School then becomes a choice without any influence or concern about money or cost.

If the OP is ready to give up $8 million or so in income for his/her dream them I say go for it. That said, if money matters (and it does to most of us) giving up $8 million to "run codes" is a bad decision IMHO.
 
Scientists say that the first person to live to 150 years old has already been born. Experimental therapies are on the horizon that hold the promise of extending human longevity even further. You should choose a career that you'll be happy with for the next 50-70 years at a minimum.

Going to go ahead and disagree with that. Have we done anything to really extend maximal human life span? Gains in aging are almost all related to "squaring the curve" to get more individuals to live to old age. The maximal age we live to (say 110-120 years) has not budged one bit over decades. Are we any closer to getting telomeres to stop shrinking, let alone grow them larger?
 
Going to go ahead and disagree with that. Have we done anything to really extend maximal human life span? Gains in aging are almost all related to "squaring the curve" to get more individuals to live to old age. The maximal age we live to (say 110-120 years) has not budged one bit over decades. Are we any closer to getting telomeres to stop shrinking, let alone grow them larger?
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You mention people in your post where "money doesn't matter" as they are already multi-millionaires/Billionaires. Med School then becomes a choice without any influence or concern about money or cost.

If the OP is ready to give up $8 million or so in income for his/her dream them I say go for it. That said, if money matters (and it does to most of us) giving up $8 million to "run codes" is a bad decision IMHO.
I was honestly a bit surprised OP wasn’t a multimillionaire. It’s common to become a VP (400-600k) after 5-6 years, but becoming an MD (1-3M+) at any point is not that common. Since they described their career as lucrative I figured it was more lucrative than the norm, and they had attained MD 8-9 years in (which is possible). The vast majority of VPs never make it to MD. Goldman Sachs has somewhere around 12,000 VPs and promote 400 or so to MD every other year. Most are stuck in purgatory.

In my mind if they had say 2.5M now they would finish medical school/residency at 41-42 with about 5M. For many here that’s their target for retiring anyway. If they saved nothing and just paid off their loans post residency they would be at 10M at 51-52 or so. Or 20M at 61-62. But if they’re making 450k in Manhattan they may not be able to save much historically, and in the future they likely won’t either if kids are in the picture.

Remember these people are not just giving up the $, they are also giving up the horrible job that makes that $.
 
I was honestly a bit surprised OP wasn’t a multimillionaire. It’s common to become a VP (400-600k) after 5-6 years, but becoming an MD (1-3M+) at any point is not that common. Since they described their career as lucrative I figured it was more lucrative than the norm, and they had attained MD 8-9 years in (which is possible). The vast majority of VPs never make it to MD. Goldman Sachs has somewhere around 12,000 VPs and promote 400 or so to MD every other year. Most are stuck in purgatory.

In my mind if they had say 2.5M now they would finish medical school/residency at 41-42 with about 5M. For many here that’s their target for retiring anyway. If they saved nothing and just paid off their loans post residency they would be at 10M at 51-52 or so. Or 20M at 61-62. But if they’re making 450k in Manhattan they may not be able to save much historically, and in the future they likely won’t either if kids are in the picture.

Remember these people are not just giving up the $, they are also giving up the horrible job that makes that $.
Thank you for explaining the matter more clearly. If the OP indeed has 2.5 M+ saved up and doesn't think he/she will make the "MD" at the investment firm then moving on does make some sense especially if he/she hates the current job. But, if "MD" is likely in the near future then why not hump it out until age 50 then just move on? Maybe, a nice a ranch in Montana?
 
I was honestly a bit surprised OP wasn’t a multimillionaire. It’s common to become a VP (400-600k) after 5-6 years, but becoming an MD (1-3M+) at any point is not that common. Since they described their career as lucrative I figured it was more lucrative than the norm, and they had attained MD 8-9 years in (which is possible). The vast majority of VPs never make it to MD. Goldman Sachs has somewhere around 12,000 VPs and promote 400 or so to MD every other year. Most are stuck in purgatory.

In my mind if they had say 2.5M now they would finish medical school/residency at 41-42 with about 5M. For many here that’s their target for retiring anyway. If they saved nothing and just paid off their loans post residency they would be at 10M at 51-52 or so. Or 20M at 61-62. But if they’re making 450k in Manhattan they may not be able to save much historically, and in the future they likely won’t either if kids are in the picture.

Remember these people are not just giving up the $, they are also giving up the horrible job that makes that $.
Luckily for me I have been able to negotiate remote work in a much cheaper COL area, but did start off in Manhattan where it was hard to save a ton of cash (not to mention I developed all of the stereotypical finance issues with cocaine and high end escorts). I may not be a multi millionaire but I wouldn’t have to worry about student loans from med school if I chose that route.

And you are right about the number of MDs, but a lot of the reason is there is so much churn and people coming and going. I have zero doubts I can make MD when I’m in my 40s. Part of the reason I’ve been able to get into this industry is my (probably over-exaggerated) confidence, and not making MD isn’t an option for me. I’ve actually only been in finance for 5-6 or so years after another (albeit much more minor) career jump, so I’m doing alright. Originally started in tech and got hooked up in FinTech, which eventually got me more into the “Fin” part of “FinTech” where I’m not really doing anymore tech work.

Anyway I’m not trying to brag or come off as a douche because it is 10000x more honorable to be a doctor and help people, I’m just trying to give everyone a complete background. It’s just money and I recognize that my ceiling is a bit higher on Wall Street, but, at what cost? Every Sunday I dread starting work on Monday because I’m certain the jig is going to be up because they’re gonna find out I’m just peddling powerpoints and can talk well in front of executives. Luckily my position at the firm is that of a “subject matter expert,” so maybe I’ll get placed on a call here and there to justify to regulators the firms stance on some risk were accepting in one of our Asian (or European or whatever) offices. It’s nice making decisions that reverberate throughout the firm, but it just seems like I’m about 400k/yr overpaid, and it’s only going up each year. I’ve also become one of the guys that dishes off a ton of my crappier work to the new hire grads like in the movies and clock out at noon, which is a whole other thing morally for me.

I guess I need to quit whining and man up.
 
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I was kidding in my post, but I guess it isnt outside the realm of possibility. Such therapies though will likely be available only to the wealthy. So the OP is advised to stick it out on Wall Street so that he can be a physician in his second life.
 
Luckily for me I have been able to negotiate remote work in a much cheaper COL area, but did start off in Manhattan where it was hard to save a ton of cash (not to mention I developed all of the stereotypical finance issues with cocaine and high end escorts). I may not be a multi millionaire but I wouldn’t have to worry about student loans from med school if I chose that route.

And you are right about the number of MDs, but a lot of the reason is there is so much churn and people coming and going. I have zero doubts I can make MD when I’m in my 40s. Part of the reason I’ve been able to get into this industry is my (probably over-exaggerated) confidence, and not making MD isn’t an option for me. I’ve actually only been in finance for 5-6 or so years after another (albeit much more minor) career jump, so I’m doing alright. Originally started in tech and got hooked up in FinTech, which eventually got me more into the “Fin” part of “FinTech” where I’m not really doing anymore tech work.

Anyway I’m not trying to brag or come off as a douche because it is 10000x more honorable to be a doctor and help people, I’m just trying to give everyone a complete background. It’s just money and I recognize that my ceiling is a bit higher on Wall Street, but, at what cost? Every Sunday I dread starting work on Monday because I’m certain the jig is going to be up because they’re gonna find out I’m just peddling powerpoints and can talk well in front of executives. Luckily my position at the firm is that of a “subject matter expert,” so maybe I’ll get placed on a call here and there to justify to regulators the firms stance on some risk were accepting in one of our Asian offices. It’s nice making decisions that reverberate throughout the firm, but it just seems like I’m about 400k/yr overpaid, and it’s only going up each year. I’ve also become one of the guys that dishes off a ton of my crappier work to the new hire grads like in the movies and clock out at noon, which is a whole other thing morally for me.

I guess I need to quit whining and man up.

When you figure out how bull**** the american medical system is, you will feel the same way. We have the same people in our field. I don't feel that honorable when I'm tubing that moribund 90 yo gomer
 
Luckily for me I have been able to negotiate remote work in a much cheaper COL area, but did start off in Manhattan where it was hard to save a ton of cash (not to mention I developed all of the stereotypical finance issues with cocaine and high end escorts). I may not be a multi millionaire but I wouldn’t have to worry about student loans from med school if I chose that route.

And you are right about the number of MDs, but a lot of the reason is there is so much churn and people coming and going. I have zero doubts I can make MD when I’m in my 40s. Part of the reason I’ve been able to get into this industry is my (probably over-exaggerated) confidence, and not making MD isn’t an option for me. I’ve actually only been in finance for 5-6 or so years after another (albeit much more minor) career jump, so I’m doing alright. Originally started in tech and got hooked up in FinTech, which eventually got me more into the “Fin” part of “FinTech” where I’m not really doing anymore tech work.

Anyway I’m not trying to brag or come off as a douche because it is 10000x more honorable to be a doctor and help people, I’m just trying to give everyone a complete background. It’s just money and I recognize that my ceiling is a bit higher on Wall Street, but, at what cost? Every Sunday I dread starting work on Monday because I’m certain the jig is going to be up because they’re gonna find out I’m just peddling powerpoints and can talk well in front of executives. Luckily my position at the firm is that of a “subject matter expert,” so maybe I’ll get placed on a call here and there to justify to regulators the firms stance on some risk were accepting in one of our Asian (or European or whatever) offices. It’s nice making decisions that reverberate throughout the firm, but it just seems like I’m about 400k/yr overpaid, and it’s only going up each year. I’ve also become one of the guys that dishes off a ton of my crappier work to the new hire grads like in the movies and clock out at noon, which is a whole other thing morally for me.

I guess I need to quit whining and man up.
Here's my young person career life advice.... Are you out of your mind!? Man.... fake it all the way, laugh to the bank, retire early, go do some **** you want for fun without worrying about money, go volunteer in Africa and teach English or something to get your helping society badge. But leaving a lucrative position that can only make you more money, for a specialty circling the drain? Damn son... By the time you graduate you'll be supervising 10 rooms at a time so you can run codes till the cows come home with all the **** you'll have to deal with haha.
 
I guess I need to quit whining and man up.
This part.

It's going to be a tough pill to swallow going from making good money, telling people what to do, going home early, and sleeping in your own bed (with whoever you wish to pay to sleep there with you lol) to being told what do to by many people who make less than you (RNs) and are dumber than you (RNs and MDs), working longer hours, and sleeping in a hospital bed (ALONE.......this aint Grey's Anatomy buddy).

As said above, the entire field of medicine is in somewhat of a decline from "the good ol' days". If you think you're burned out, wait until we derail this thread on the various ways physician's burnout.

Make your retirement number and figure out another way to help people, if that's what's in your heart. We certainly need teachers in this country and that's a great way to do some real good if money isn't an issue.
 
It's going to be a tough pill to swallow going from making good money, telling people what to do, going home early, and sleeping in your own bed (with whoever you wish to pay to sleep there with you lol)

plenty of people in that career are working way more hours than we work and never go home early
 
If I'd had $30M when I was a med student I'm not sure I'd have made it through a whole month of internal medicine rounds as a MS3 ...
I would do it just so I could tell my attendings to **** off and be totally unconcerned with the consequences.
 
this is not a troll post. I’m just a guy who is extremely unsatisfied with his career and over the years always reminisced about what could’ve been had I gone into Anesthesia.

thanks for the responses guys, I’m not sure it makes a lot of sense at this point. I guess I kind of am locked in to what I do now. And as for the guy who said why is my only post in six months, well I was going to post this exact post six months ago, but then I got afraid that everyone would hate on me lol
F that...Ill switch jobs with you right now!! No joke. Whatever personal need you think is gonna be fulfilled here is not gonna happen. Are you just sorry because you ripped honest people off or something and this is your way of repaying society? Because if that's the case be a freaking nurse or an LPN lol.
 
F that...Ill switch jobs with you right now!! No joke. Whatever personal need you think is gonna be fulfilled here is not gonna happen. Are you just sorry because you ripped honest people off or something and this is your way of repaying society? Because if that's the case be a freaking nurse or an LPN lol.
It’s not so much I feel morally obligated to help people, in fact I really don’t care about that, it’s more that I feel I’m way overpaid and that the hammer is going to drop any day now, and I’ll be out on my ass. But, it’s probably just a severe case of impostor syndrome. Knowing it’s likely impostor syndrome doesn’t remove that feeling Monday morning of “is today the day I get axed?”

Regarding the helping people, I know I mentioned running “codes“ but that’s more because I like the high stress situations. And it is just a fact that being a doctor is more honorable than some banker.
 
It’s not so much I feel morally obligated to help people, in fact I really don’t care about that, it’s more that I feel I’m way overpaid and that the hammer is going to drop any day now, and I’ll be out on my ass. But, it’s probably just a severe case of impostor syndrome. Knowing it’s likely impostor syndrome doesn’t remove that feeling Monday morning of “is today the day I get axed?”

Regarding the helping people, I know I mentioned running “codes“ but that’s more because I like the high stress situations. And it is just a fact that being a doctor is more honorable than some banker.

Feeling like the shoe is gonna drop and you will be labeled as redundant and overpaid absolutely will not change when you enter medicine. This is literally why we have medical societies/associations. Everyone thinks they can do it better and cheaper...everyone. So that aspect will not change.

You are honestly better off riding out your high paying job till it crashes and then switching or finding something in your own filed that isn't as prone to hammer bashing as what you are in now.

That being said I'm glad you don't feel morally obligated to help people but not sure what your personal statement would look like if that is the case. But trust me the indignities that await you in medicine...are just as bad if not worse.
 
I am not one of them, in fact it’s the opposite really

what is the opposite? At this point I probably work under 45 hours per week and go home before 10 AM plenty of times.
 
Definitely not too old.
And wouldn't make that switch in your position in a million years.

Take care of you, which you have done, and then you have the resources to help far more people in far better ways ON YOUR TERMS.

Medicine really is crap on too many levels. You're treated like crap as a student. You're treated like crap as a resident. And then when you finally make it to attending... well you're still largely treated like crap. Patients can be highly demanding, uneducated, entitled, and just outright a-h****.

At some point all of the excitement of medicine becomes extremely boring and you'll find more reward learning about your house plumbing or restoring a car. Basically, just say no.
 
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