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When I apply I will be applying to 10 Osteopathic medical schools. In your opinion what would be the best 10 to apply to in terms of opportunities? Please list them and your reasons for doing so. I would like to make an informed decision. Also my finacee will be finishing up her undergraduate work at this time, so we will need to either have another university close by or one attached to one of the osteopathic schools. Thank you guys so much!
 
When I apply I will be applying to 10 Osteopathic medical schools. In your opinion what would be the best 10 to apply to in terms of opportunities? Please list them and your reasons for doing so. I would like to make an informed decision. Also my finacee will be finishing up her undergraduate work at this time, so we will need to either have another university close by or one attached to one of the osteopathic schools. Thank you guys so much!

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  3. There are no official rankings for DO schools.
  4. 99% of the opportunities are determined by the student, not the school.
  5. Pick a school based on fit, not on perceived "ranking."
 
I was wanting on "Profit ???" at the end of that post. But seriously, in terms of niceness of facilities, etc. Can anyone answer my question?
 
Kind of a loaded question that will upset some people. Like the poster above me stated, the person has control over their oppurtunities in most cases. However, If you are asking which schools are more established with a reputation, then think about the older schools(CCOM, KCOM, etc), public schools (MSU, OSU?), and schools near where you want to be. There are many things to base the top ten from, just browse the forum a little.
 
there is a huge thread in osteo where current students posted pros and cons of each school. and there is a long thread in pre-osteo where people posted actual photos of buildings and such.
you need to go back a little, or else do a search and locate those threads.
 
Kind of a loaded question that will upset some people. Like the poster above me stated, the person has control over their oppurtunities in most cases. However, If you are asking which schools are more established with a reputation, then think about the older schools(CCOM, KCOM, etc), public schools (MSU, OSU?), and schools near where you want to be. There are many things to base the top ten from, just browse the forum a little.

Thank you for answering. Yes a good reputation would be great. But I guess I'll search around for my other questions. Thanks again and as for everyone else, I did not mean to make anyone angry and I'm not saying any school is definitively better than the others.
 
Thank you for answering. Yes a good reputation would be great. But I guess I'll search around for my other questions. Thanks again and as for everyone else, I did not mean to make anyone angry and I'm not saying any school is definitively better than the others.
in no particular order check these out first in my opinion only.. but ive been researching DO schools for about a year now


ccom
pcom
dmu
western
kcom
soma
azcom

regional bias
msucom
osucom
tcom
 
Thank you for answering. Yes a good reputation would be great. But I guess I'll search around for my other questions. Thanks again and as for everyone else, I did not mean to make anyone angry and I'm not saying any school is definitively better than the others.

no one is angry, you just have this "holier than thou" facade that you probably didn't intend, but it came across as "i am above anything out of the top 10." no biggy. and the second problem is that you asked a question that has been discussed thousands of times. again, no biggy, nobody is mad, we are just recommending that you check it out on your own. give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. teach a man to fish, he will eat for about a week until he realizes that fish is effing gross and it clearly isn't worth it.
 
in no particular order check these out first in my opinion only.. but ive been researching DO schools for about a year now


ccom
pcom
dmu
western
kcom
soma
azcom

regional bias
msucom
osucom
tcom

SOMA is way too new to be on this list, it only graduated it's second class this year.. Also UMDNJ , OUCOM, and KCUMB should be included.
 
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also, i understand that this forum is reserved for stuff specific to each individual school and you're supposed to post in the school threads you're interested in, not create your own separate personal threads.
 
Top DO schools, according to me in no particular order (I'm listing private schools only, since I didn't apply to any of the public ones):

-DMU
-PCOM
-KCUMB
-CCOM
-Western
-KCOM

Add in the public schools and I guess you have around 10 schools.
 
Top DO schools, according to me in no particular order (I'm listing private schools only, since I didn't apply to any of the public ones):

-DMU
-PCOM
-KCUMB
-CCOM
-Western
-KCOM

Add in the public schools and I guess you have around 10 schools.

Take out Western and I'd say that's pretty accurate 🙂
 
Just kidding. Like the first guy said, 99% of med school is what you make of it yourself.
 
Top DO schools, according to me in no particular order (I'm listing private schools only, since I didn't apply to any of the public ones):

-DMU
-PCOM
-KCUMB
-CCOM
-Western
-KCOM

Add in the public schools and I guess you have around 10 schools.

That's great I was already considering 4 of those. Thank you for taking the time to seriously answer my question. 🙂
 
Keep in mind the debt when looking at just the private schools, even at the perceived notion that they are "better". CCOM = 55k a year + 20k living expenses (min), the debt can easily reach 300-400k before interest.
 
The top three are as follows;

1) LECOM - Erie
2) LECOM - Bradenton
3) LECOM - Seton Hill
 
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The top three are as follows;

1) LECOM - Erie
2) LECOM - Bradenton
3) LECOM - Seton Hill

What is your reasoning behind that? Is it their reputation, facilities, good faculty, etc?
 
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Keep in mind the debt when looking at just the private schools, even at the perceived notion that they are "better". CCOM = 55k a year + 20k living expenses (min), the debt can easily reach 300-400k before interest.

I will be taking the Army HPSP, so luckily cost won't be too much of a factor 🙂
 
Take Western out again and I'd say that it's more accurate. 🙂

Western is an awesome school? I don't know why you would take that out.

The top school is the one you matriculate to.

I used to have a top 10 list, but now my list looks like this:

Top 5 DO schools of all time

1. AZCOM
2. AZCOM
3. AZCOM
4. AZCOM and
5. AZCOM
 
Western is an awesome school? I don't know why you would take that out.



I used to have a top 10 list, but now my list looks like this:

Top 5 DO schools of all time

1. AZCOM
2. AZCOM
3. AZCOM
4. AZCOM and
5. AZCOM

Well I have been looking at their website and it looks like I will be adding them to the list! 😉
 
SOMA is way too new to be on this list, it only graduated it's second class this year...

I agree to an extent, but we've had two pretty damn strong match years so far especially for such a young school.

For example: One of our guys matched Harbor UCLA EM last year. Get into DO and try to even get a guest rotation there, they've been notoriously DO unfriendly.

I'm not saying we belong in a top 10 list at this point, but I think we will be there shortly. SOMA is blazing the way forward with their CPC and I think you're going to see that becoming much more widespread.
 
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I agree to an extent, but we've had two pretty damn strong matches especially for such a young school.

For example: One of our guys matched Harbor UCLA EM last year. Get into DO and try to even get a guest rotation there, they've been notoriously DO unfriendly.

I'm not saying we belong in a top 10 list at this point, but I think we will be there shortly. SOMA is blazing the way forward with their CPC and I think you're going to see that becoming much more widespread.

Yes, answers like this was what I was looking for. Good reasons to pick a school. I think I have my list if any of you guys want to see it.
 
Grr... these threads are insanely stupid. The best DO school is the one you want to go to. period. What matters is if you feel comfortable there, if you like it, if it fits your needs and what you want. You can't say that AZCOM is better than KCOM or whatever because that's not true for everyone. Obviously AZCOM is the best school for Dr. Wily because ze loves it there and is really happy, but that's not universal for everyone.
 
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. A.T. Still University School of Osteopathic Medicine – Arizona
..Arizona College of Osteopathic Medicine of Midwestern University
..Nova Southeastern University College of Osteopathic Medicine.
.Pacific Northwest University of Health Sciences College of Osteopathic Medicine.
. A.T. Still University College of Osteopathic Medicine – Kirksville.
. Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences College of Osteopathic Medicine
..Alabama College of Osteopathic Medicine.
. Western University of Health Sciences College of Osteopathic Medicine
..Des Moines University College of Osteopathic Medicine.
. Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine - Bradenton.

They are in no particular order. Let me add once again I am not saying any school is better than another, I was just asking a question and I am not saying any of these deserved to be on anyone's top 10, but my own. If there is a reason why you do not like any of these schools please give me a reason why. Like I said earlier I am not worried about the cost of tuition and also, I will be applying to allopathic medical schools as well, so that is why I am not adding more to this list.
 
Are you from the Pacific Northwest or have strong ties there? It's a very non-OOS friendly school. Also I wouldn't apply to alabama since it's a new school.
 
Are you from the Pacific Northwest or have strong ties there? It's a very non-OOS friendly school. Also I wouldn't apply to alabama since it's a new school.

This is true, it's super focused on training students from the PNW, I'm still baffled how I got an interview there with such low GPA and not being from the region. The only thing I can come up with is that it might be because I had some significant clinical experience. I've heard rumors that clinical experience might be the ticket to PNWU if you're not from the Northwest.
 
Western University of Health Sciences
Arizona College of Osteopathic Medicine of Midwestern University
Midwestern University Chicago College of Osteopathic Medicine
Des Moines University College of Osteopathic Medicine
University of North Texas Health Science Center Texas College of Osteopathic Medicine
Touro University College of Osteopathic Medicine
Oklahoma State University Oklahoma State University College of Osteopathic Medicine
University of New England College of Osteopathic Medicine
Nova Southeastern University College of Osteopathic Medicine
 
. A.T. Still University School of Osteopathic Medicine – Arizona.
.Arizona College of Osteopathic Medicine of Midwestern University.
.Nova Southeastern University College of Osteopathic Medicine.
.Pacific Northwest University of Health Sciences College of Osteopathic Medicine.
. A.T. Still University College of Osteopathic Medicine – Kirksville.
. Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences College of Osteopathic Medicine .
.Alabama College of Osteopathic Medicine.
. Western University of Health Sciences College of Osteopathic Medicine .
.Des Moines University College of Osteopathic Medicine.
. Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine - Bradenton.

They are in no particular order. Let me add once again I am not saying any school is better than another, I was just asking a question and I am not saying any of these deserved to be on anyone's top 10, but my own. If there is a reason why you do not like any of these schools please give me a reason why. Like I said earlier I am not worried about the cost of tuition and also, I will be applying to allopathic medical schools as well, so that is why I am not adding more to this list.

I'm surprised CCOM isn't on your list. The only factor I consider bad for their school is the cost of tuition and since that isn't a factor for you, I really think you should look into it 👍
 
Are you from the Pacific Northwest or have strong ties there? It's a very non-OOS friendly school. Also I wouldn't apply to alabama since it's a new school.

A large majority of my family has lived in that region of the US and I personally love it, but I have lived in Alabama with my family for the majority of my life. I figured Maybe Alabama would be a good bet since I am an Alabama resident? If not I will take it off.
 
A large majority of my family has lived in that region of the US and I personally love it, but I have lived in Alabama with my family for the majority of my life. I figured Maybe Alabama would be a good bet since I am an Alabama resident? If not I will take it off.

I would definitely keep them on your list for this reason.
 
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I'm surprised CCOM isn't on your list. The only factor I consider bad for their school is the cost of tuition and since that isn't a factor for you, I really think you should look into it 👍

I agree. Add CCOM.
 
I agree to an extent, but we've had two pretty damn strong match years so far especially for such a young school.

For example: One of our guys matched Harbor UCLA EM last year. Get into DO and try to even get a guest rotation there, they've been notoriously DO unfriendly.

I'm not saying we belong in a top 10 list at this point, but I think we will be there shortly. SOMA is blazing the way forward with their CPC and I think you're going to see that becoming much more widespread.

Hmm, well how is the school in general? I know you guys have a condensed first and second year and start rotations early. What else is good or works at SOMA? How are the board scores?
 
Western is an awesome school? I don't know why you would take that out.

Sure, but so is AZCOM. And SOMA. Ranking DO schools, as has been said a thousand times on this forum, is ultimately pointless.

But if you wanted a rank of the most commonly held-in-high-esteem schools -- which I thought was the OP's original question -- it would be as follows (in no particular order): PCOM, DMU, CCOM, KCOM, KCUMB.

I'm not saying those are the best. Personally I tend to side with serenade's advice: with the exception of the Tier 3 (newer DO schools) and Tier 4 (RVU, RVU, and RVU) schools, ranking is worthless.
 
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Totally. MSUCOM is fab. But I would also take into consideration the fact they're a public school.

Yes I do want to make sure I have a decent chance at most of the schools I apply to. However one reach or two wouldn't be bad 🙂
 
TCOM is pretty baller if you are applying to a few reach schools. They smash the boards every year. comlex and usmle.

Probably the heaviest in-state bias of any school though.

I would probably consider them to be the best DO school, and I don't go there.
 
TCOM is pretty baller if you are applying to a few reach schools. They smash the boards every year. comlex and usmle.

Probably the heaviest in-state bias of any school though.

I would probably consider them to be the best DO school, and I don't go there.

Well my cGPA will be about 3.62-3.68 and my sGPA will be between a 3.44-3.56 by the time I apply. If that helps any. As I have mentioned I am applying to several MD programs too. It will probably boil down to what MCAT score I receive.
 
Hmm, well how is the school in general? I know you guys have a condensed first and second year and start rotations early. What else is good or works at SOMA? How are the board scores?

In general, I think the school is extremely strong in a no-nonsense kind of way. It's the perfect learning environment for me, and apparently many others, and I think the early results really bear that out.

For starters, you are half correct that we do have a condensed first and second year. We don't start rotations any earlier than any other school, you really need to pass COMLEX1 for that to happen and we start our board exams at the end of 2nd year just like anyone else.

What we do, that often gets reported as condensing our first two years, is we have the longest OMS1 out there. We started in July last year, and finished in July this year. And we're already started for OMS2 now as well. We do the long first year to carve out 4-8 hours a week for what I like to call "Pre-rotations" during 2nd year.

Basically, during OMS2 you move to one of the school's affiliated community health centers for the rest of your training. There you finish the remaining didactics, prep for boards, and spend 4-8 hours each week seeing patients with a physician and getting a preview of what rotations are like. I prefer this approach because we all know that after board scores, the next most important aspect of a residency application is recommendation letters. How do you get those letters? By impressing your preceptors. How do you impress your preceptors? By performing well in rotations. I'd imagine that if you have been seeing patients all year during OMS2, you should (or at least have the opportunity to) be ahead of the curve in year 3. We're often told that our 3rd year students are commonly mistaken for interns, because that's how this school is geared, like I said, no nonsense. Also, clinic time is a valuable way to cement concepts for the boards. It's much easier to remember something if you've encountered it in real life, and while you can't expect to see nearly everything, you will see a lot during your 2nd year clinical time.

That brings me to my next point; the curriculum. I can't say enough good things about this curriculum. It's the clinical presentation curriculum (or CPC as I abbreviated in a previous post). Basically the gist is that there are 126 or so ways that a patient presents to a physician. It's up to the physician to decipher the clinical presentation and come up with a diagnosis and treatment plan. Patients don't walk into their FP and tell them they have trichomoniasis, they say they have a foul smelling vaginal discharge and itching. It's up to the physician to ask the correct sets of questions and conduct the correct physical examination and testing/imaging to arrive at the correct diagnosis.

The way our didactic education works is that we're taught in organ systems from day 1, rather than having the traditional first year of basic sciences and 2nd year of clinical sciences. So in any given course we will have what we call "schemes" which are schematics for how to handle a clinical presentation. We are taught how to navigate the schemes, which becomes quite instinctual after a short while. Along the way, we are given relevant lectures in both basic and clinical sciences. So in one week we'll have anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, microbiology, immunology, pathology, pathophysiology, pharmacology, genetics, molecular biology etc as they relate to each scheme. So everything is taught with a clear context, which really helps cement it home. It also brings everything into context for the boards, which are designed to test whether or not a student can tie years 1 and 2 together and apply them to clinical scenarios. I think that our curriculum makes board preparation very efficient. And our scores tend to bear that out. They haven't been super high, but they are rising steadily as each class attracts stronger and stronger students, and as the clinical presentation curriculum is polished and perfected.

In addition to all that, we have a full physical exam course during OMS1. In the first 12 months you learn every part of the physical exam, on your classmates, and on hired patient actors where appropriate (breast, male and female genital, and rectal). Where applicable, the exams we learn coincide with what we're learning in our systems courses.

We also have OSCE's which stands for "objective standardized clinical encounters" where the patient actors come in, present with a chief complaint, and we are then given a set amount of time to complete a history and relevant physical examination. You will not leave OMS1 unready to see patients in OMS2, and our physical exam class has a strong reputation locally (among the 3 other medical schools in the area) as being extremely well taught.

And of course we also have the traditional 4 hours of OMM per week that other schools have, which is also taught in sync with the systems courses as much as possible.

It sounds like a lot, and it is. We have a very grueling curriculum, and one you won't find at any other school at this point but it's also extremely rewarding. All this work creates students who excel in clinical situations, perform well on boards, and appear to be very competitive for traditionally difficult to obtain residency positions.
 
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In general, I think the school is extremely strong in a no-nonsense kind of way. It's the perfect learning environment for me, and apparently many others, and I think the early results really bear that out.

For starters, you are half correct that we do have a condensed first and second year. We don't start rotations any earlier than any other school, you really need to pass COMLEX1 for that to happen and we start our board exams at the end of 2nd year just like anyone else.

What we do, that often gets reported as condensing our first two years, is we have the longest OMS1 out there. We started in July last year, and finished in July this year. And we're already started for OMS2 now as well. We do the long first year to carve out 4-8 hours a week for what I like to call "Pre-rotations" during 2nd year.

Basically, during OMS2 you move to one of the school's affiliated community health centers for the rest of your training. There you finish the remaining didactics, prep for boards, and spend 4-8 hours each week seeing patients with a physician and getting a preview of what rotations are like. I prefer this approach because we all know that after board scores, the next most important aspect of a residency application is recommendation letters. How do you get those letters? By impressing your preceptors. How do you impress your preceptors? By performing well in rotations. I'd imagine that if you have been seeing patients all year during OMS2, you should (or at least have the opportunity to) be ahead of the curve in year 3. We're often told that our 3rd year students are commonly mistaken for interns, because that's how this school is geared, like I said, no nonsense. Also, clinic time is a valuable way to cement concepts for the boards. It's much easier to remember something if you've encountered it in real life, and while you can't expect to see nearly everything, you will see a lot during your 2nd year clinical time.

That brings me to my next point; the curriculum. I can't say enough good things about this curriculum. It's the clinical presentation curriculum (or CPC as I abbreviated in a previous post). Basically the gist is that there are 126 or so ways that a patient presents to a physician. It's up to the physician to decipher the clinical presentation and come up with a diagnosis and treatment plan. Patients don't walk into their cardiologist and tell them they have trichomoniasis, they say they have a foul smelling vaginal discharge and itching. It's up to the physician to ask the correct sets of questions and conduct the correct physical examination and testing/imaging to arrive at the correct diagnosis.

The way our didactic education works is that we're taught in organ systems from day 1, rather than having the traditional first year of basic sciences and 2nd year of clinical sciences. So in any given course we will have what we call "schemes" which are schematics for how to handle a clinical presentation. We are taught how to navigate the schemes, which becomes quite instinctual after a short while. Along the way, we are given relevant lectures in both basic and clinical sciences. So in one week we'll have anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, microbiology, immunology, pathology, pathophysiology, pharmacology, genetics, molecular biology etc as they relate to each scheme. So everything is taught with a clear context, which really helps cement it home. It also brings everything into context for the boards, which are designed to test whether or not a student can tie years 1 and 2 together and apply them to clinical scenarios. I think that our curriculum makes board preparation very efficient. And our scores tend to bear that out. They haven't been super high, but they are rising steadily as each class attracts stronger and stronger students, and as the clinical presentation curriculum is polished and perfected.

In addition to all that, we have a full physical exam course during OMS1. In the first 12 months you learn every part of the physical exam, on your classmates, and on hired patient actors where appropriate (breast, male and female genital, and rectal). Where applicable, the exams we learn coincide with what we're learning in our systems courses.

We also have OSCE's which stands for "objective standardized clinical encounters" where the patient actors come in, present with a chief complaint, and we are then given a set amount of time to complete a history and relevant physical examination. You will not leave OMS1 unready to see patients in OMS2, and our physical exam class has a strong reputation locally (among the 3 other medical schools in the area) as being extremely well taught.

And of course we also have the traditional 4 hours of OMM per week that other schools have, which is also taught in sync with the systems courses as much as possible.

It sounds like a lot, and it is. We have a very grueling curriculum, and one you won't find at any other school at this point but it's also extremely rewarding. All this work creates students who excel in clinical situations, perform well on boards, and appear to be very competitive for traditionally difficult to obtain residency positions.

Yet another wonderfully insightful post from you, sir. Thank you! I really hope I get an interview invite... I'd almost be willing to trade my KCOM invite for this school because I'm a big fan of the clinical presentations curriculum (which has a lot of interesting research behind it, I might add).
 
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