Top vs. Lower MSTPs

My experience is that Top 10 MSTP programs have an MCAT cut-off of around ~35. This is not a hard and fast cut AFAIK. Extenuating circumstances include an outstanding publication record (difficult and relatively rare for undergraduates) or if you are an under-represented minority.

I would apply to a handful of top MSTPs (NIH-NIGMS supported) in addition to other MSTPs (Penn State, UAB, Iowa) that are ranked in the top 25 or lower in USNews. Furthermore, you will also like to apply to a broad range of non-MSTP MD/PhD programs (schools like Temple, OHSU, SUNY-Buffalo, Georgetown, etc). that are fully funded. Personally, I would not bother with MD/PhD programs that are not fully funded. It is not worth the investment if you have debt when you are done.

Moving out West will be exceedingly tough for you. Though it is possible to get a slot at OHSU or one of the lesser-known UC schools, UCSF, UCLA, UCSD, and Stanford are probably beyond your reach.

Sorry if this sounds excessively harsh, but I was in a situation similar to yours so I can appreciate your concerns.

ADDED: I would not go to a straight MD program over an MSTP (any MSTP). MSTPs are, by defintion, funded by NIH and have high standards to maintain. Trust me when I say that competition is fierce for these coveted slots among medical schools. If you get into a non-MSTP (particularly one that is not well funded) you may consider a straight MD at a top 10 school.

 

I agree with Gfunk6 and I think that your advisor is spoiled by the high quality of applicants that are matriculating at UMich. Do you have publications or are you a URM? If not, you might try a couple reach schools, but I bet you would have some luck with quality programs in the 20s in the USNews rankings (e.g. Northwestern, UChicago, CWRU, UAb, UVa, etc...).

I think the cut off at most programs is ~34, which only puts you a couple points under. These sorts of things are often overlooked if they're not that bad (and a 31 is not that bad) and it's the weak spot on your application. Your GPA is good and your major and ugrad are also good. Your research experience, depening on exactly what those two years entailed and what pubs you got out of it (not that they're required) is borderline. Assuming your LORs and interviews are strong, I think you have a good shot at lower-tier to middle-tier MSTPs.

Good luck!

 

i've said this before, and others have disagreed with me, but i'll say it again. i feel like graduating in three years does put you at a disadvantage when you're applying if for no other reason than having an entire year (or more) less to "develop" your application. as neuronix suggests, either publications or URM status might outweigh this concern.

 

i would suggest UW-Madison... top 10 graduate school for biochemistry, top 25/30 medical school and it's in the midwest. plus, it sounds like you'd probably be a competitive candidate (although i don't want to mislead you either). paul cook is the program administrator there and i'm sure would be willing to discuss their program and your specific application with you.

good luck,
aaron

 

If you get into an MSTP, you've exhibited potential. It's up to you to fulfill that potential, no matter what school you end up at.

I'm not sure taking a year off is really going to make an application all that much better unless you stay in A2 and continue to persue the same activities/research. Let me clarify my earlier statement by saying that many successful applicants do apply between junior-senior year of college, but some have spent a year or more after college doing research. If you look through other threads, you'll see the general consensus is "quality over quantity," so you'll have to decide for yourself how competitive your application is. Colorado is a great place, but I can't comment on their biochem dept.

It's interesting you mention giving up full-rides for undergrad to go to UM. My wholly rhetorical question is why? In light of your earlier question about a 'lower' mstp versus a 'top ten' md program, it makes me wonder which one you would choose. In any case, if financial burdens are overwhelming you with UM, having to pay for an md program will exponentially increase your problems.

 

Actually, I would say that biochem is definitely one of (if not the most so) Colorado's strongest departments. Tom Cech (Nobel Laureate, catalytic RNA--actually discovered by an undergrad!) is based there, although he's currently the head of HHMI, and the rest of the department is extraordinarily impressive as well. Biochem is based at the Boulder campus (to my knowledge), but is definitely something to look into. I can't recommend Colo for other things (other than immuno which is great because of the rship with National Jewish) because of my limited knowledge, but I'm sure some other people on this site will know more. It seems like a great place! good luck

 

No matter what one program director tells you, remember to apply to a good number of schools. Program directors tend to be very positive when they talk to you, and this can lead you into thinking you're golden at a specific place. Spread out your applications (12+ schools I think), and see what happens. It's also good for you to be able to see what the different programs are about.

Good luck!

 

If you know what you want, go for it. I am from a little town in ND, and I go to ND State. I wanted MSTP, even though my advisors here had never had a student enter it. I have two abstracts, two professional presentations, and a manuscript in submittal. I have a 4.0 GPA (double major in Biotechnology and Zoology, minor in Chemsistry and Microbiology) and had a combined 31 on my MCAT (I took it twice, and got a 29 both time...when you take the best from both it equals 31, which is what on ACOM told me they do.). I interviewed at 6 schools, was waitlisted at 2 of those, and accepted at one. I applied to 22 schools. Being from the Midwest, I got interesting questions at a few of my interviews out west and in the east, but it can be done. In fact, I am moving to UCONN. As far as the U of W, it is top of the line. The University of Minnesota isn't bad either....but I am a stem cell geek and don't know much about Biochem. All I can say is ignore you advisor, apply where you think you have a chance, be confident, and Good luck!

 

Neurosciences at University of Wisconsin is also excellent.

See: http://ntp.neuroscience.wisc.edu/

Good luck.