TOURO MI rotation questions

[markboonya]

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if there are any touro m3/m4's out there, i am wondering about the rotation situation at touroMI. from what i understood from the day that i interviewed, there are set core rotations u have to do at touro's affiliated hospital and i think internal med is one of them- am i correct?

i think i will most likely end up in internal medicine, and i want to keep my options open for competitive fellowships such as cardiology. i've been searching around for osteopathic internal medicine residencies IN CALIFORNIA, but it seems that none of them link to a cardiology fellowship. since most fellowships like to take doctors from their own residency programs, this is an important issue. therefore i am was wondering, do all internal medicine residencies have options for all the possible fellowships within their program/hospital?

so if i am correct that touro requires me to do my internal med residency at a touro affiliated hospital, is it hopeless for me to consider entering a competitive internal med residency at standford or ucsf (just throwing out some prestigious names) since i wont be able to do an audition rotation? or is it not so important to do audition rotations for internal med?

another general question: i think i must have heard somewhere that there are no AOA sponsored residency programs in nor cal. is this true?

thanks in advance!

 

[NorCalDO]

I just started my 4th year at Touro.

For your 3rd year rotations, you need to do your core rotations at an affiliated hospital, unless you get permission from the Dean of Clinical Education to complete them elsewhere. Your core rotations include FP, IM, GS, Peds, OB/Gyn, and Psych. You have 2 electives that you can do anywhere. There will be a lottery process in the middle of 2nd year to determine where you will be going for 3rd year.

Like I said, you can get permission to go elsewhere for all or part of your 3rd year rotations, but it may not be easy to get the hospital to take you. Many hospitals, especially those affiliated with other medical schools, do not take visiting 3rd year students.

You said you want to stay in Northern California. There is not a single DO residency in N. CA in any specialty. (Go to http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/index.htm to get info on the DO residency programs.) You can however do audition rotations at the beginning of 4th year as a visiting student. UC Davis, UCSF, Stanford, and virtual every hospital with a residency program will accept visiting students from DO schools. Just be prepared to have the applications ready to send during the middle to end of your 3rd year.

With all that said, you still have a reasonable chance of matching to a competitive IM program. California programs are always more competitive though. At this point in your career, focus on getting good grades and doing well on boards, which will help you get the residency program you want

Hope that helps!

 

[Feistyfem]

I am a beginning fourth year student from Touro-MI.

From what I've learned about Subspecialty fellowships from asking residents, your competitiveness is dependent on your Bord scores, particularly Step 3 and an exam called an in service exam. It is also really helpful if you come from a residency program that frequently match their residents into fellowship programs. Usually, you can find out if they get into what kind of fellowships by looking in their website.

As a incoming medical student I would suggest that you get great grades and a competitive board score and then do some Sub I in residency programs that you are seriously interested in applying to during the beginning of your fourth year.

Good Luck

 

[Dr.ImCute]

i think i will most likely end up in internal medicine, and i want to keep my options open for competitive fellowships such as cardiology. i've been searching around for osteopathic internal medicine residencies IN CALIFORNIA, but it seems that none of them link to a cardiology fellowship. do all internal medicine residencies have options for all the possible fellowships within their program/hospital?

so if i am correct that touro requires me to do my internal med residency at a touro affiliated hospital, is it hopeless for me to consider entering a competitive internal med residency at standford or ucsf (just throwing out some prestigious names) since i wont be able to do an audition rotation? or is it not so important to do audition rotations for internal med?

another general question: i think i must have heard somewhere that there are no AOA sponsored residency programs in nor cal. is this true?

thanks in advance!

No it's not hopeless! You can do whatever you want as long as you work hard in your rotations and get good grades.

Even some MD internal medicine programs have residents that can't get into the competitive cardio/GI fellowships. These are mostly low key community hospitals (not saying they're bad programs... but you're not going to have the skills to do a hardcore fellowship)

If you go county hospital or a residency at a university hospital you'll have a better chance.

You can do you 3rd year electives wherever you want. a regular IM rotation shouldn't be too hard to get... but you can't do cardio or GI or some specialty as a 3rd year. 4th year you can go anywhere basically.

The DO programs in Cali are not linked to fellowships currently, but one of the programs may have some by the time you're looking.

 

[Dr.ImCute]

by the way- who are my 2 fellow classmates?! identify yourself NOW! 😀

 

[JonnyG]

You can do you 3rd year electives wherever you want. a regular IM rotation shouldn't be too hard to get... but you can't do cardio or GI or some specialty as a 3rd year.

you just didn't look. At least in Philadelphia it isn't hard to find a cardio or GI rotation at a hospital. Especially after you have done your IM rotation (can be done without one). This also applies to places in New Jersey.

 

[bth7]

if there are any touro m3/m4's out there, i am wondering about the rotation situation at touroMI. from what i understood from the day that i interviewed, there are set core rotations u have to do at touro's affiliated hospital and i think internal med is one of them- am i correct?

Mostly correct. Many people who want to go in to IM will do more than one IM rotation. Your core one has to be done at a Touro core hospital, though exceptions to this rule are made.

i think i will most likely end up in internal medicine, and i want to keep my options open for competitive fellowships such as cardiology. i've been searching around for osteopathic internal medicine residencies IN CALIFORNIA, but it seems that none of them link to a cardiology fellowship. since most fellowships like to take doctors from their own residency programs, this is an important issue. therefore i am was wondering, do all internal medicine residencies have options for all the possible fellowships within their program/hospital?

Recommend not looking into exclusively Osteopathic residencies if you want cardiology. You are going to want an allopathic one or a dual accredited one, those aren't listed on AOA website. Try FRIEDA. There are many of these in California. And you will have no problem getting one coming from Touro. Bear in mind, the majority of Touro students go into allopathic (ACGME) residencies. OR dual ACGME/AOA approved residencies. Also, bear in mind that you can get your ACGME IM residency approved as an AOA residency. See Residency comparison for more info about what your options are.

so if i am correct that touro requires me to do my internal med residency at a touro affiliated hospital, is it hopeless for me to consider entering a competitive internal med residency at standford or ucsf (just throwing out some prestigious names) since i wont be able to do an audition rotation? or is it not so important to do audition rotations for internal med?

Again, you will be able to do auditions at all this places. Not a problem. Spend one of your elective months third year doing this, or spend a 4th year rotation doing this. Or, an exception can be made for you to do a your IM rotation at a non-Touro core site, if you do the majority of your other rotations at a core site. One core rotation away from a core site, especially if it is your field of interest, is not a problem. Note, they will discourage you from doing this, but . . . it can be done.

another general question: i think i must have heard somewhere that there are no AOA sponsored residency programs in nor cal. is this true?

Northern California currently has a massive shortage of residency spots, in general. And those that do exist are competitive. Basically everyone wants to do their residency in SF, hence there being a separate matching program, just for San Francisco!! San Francisco Match How crazy is that!

No Cal needs more docs, and so they are going to have open more residencies, so this is going to be changing.

One last thing, Touro just announced a new core rotation site. White Memorial in LA.

I hope this helps.

Bryan

 

[JonnyG]

Mostly correct. Northern California currently has a massive shortage of residency spots, in general. And those that do exist are competitive. Basically everyone wants to do their residency in SF, hence there being a separate matching program, just for San Francisco!! San Francisco Match How crazy is that!

Dont confuse them the san francisco match has nothing to do with gettin a residency in SF. It is a macth for four specialties Neurology, OPTHo, plastics, and neurosurgery and a few others. It takes place before the march match.

 

[bth7]

Dont confuse them the san francisco match has nothing to do with gettin a residency in SF. It is a match for four specialties Neurology, OPTHo, plastics, and neurosurgery and a few others. It takes place before the march match.

Wow. thanks, I was totally wrong on that one. I thought is was for all SF residencies. What's the point of it anyway? Or maybe that conversation should take place elsewhere.

 

[cabound]

Do many people that want to stay in the Bay Area get to for both 3rd and 4th year rotations??

It would be nice to travel some, but I'm thinking about buying a house/condo in the Bay when I start at Touro next year, and I was wondering if this is wise if I'm just going to have to move around a lot both years...

I mean.. its all lottery for 3rd year (right?)... but generally would people get to stay in the Bay if they wanted? Is it just good luck if you do get to or are there ways of being "more qualified" for this to occur??