Touro University going M.D. in New Jersey?

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Jesus. This is ridiculous
 
U think if we get pissed off enough we could get an extra 44 million?
 
I think the disparity in funding is simple economics. Let's be realistic here: a new MD school will attract more applicants and attention than a DO school. It just makes more sense to invest heavily into something that could give greater returns, returns not always being monetary. Touro is, after all, a non-profit organizaiton.

Fair? No, but that's capitalism.
 
Hey OMWT! It's going good, we are on spring break and I am loving it! Only a few more weeks left of the year, I am so behind... but whats new...

I got a great laugh out of McTouro comment 🙄

I know there is a nitch for Touro, but I caution them not to explore it too fast... I think there is a need for new schools and Touro is set up to form them. Just wondering what they are thinking by moving to a new philosophy (MD versus DO), I think that may be a bit of a leap even for McTouro.
 
In a way this could be good. Look at Michigan and NJ. They have a DO and MD schools and there students are well adjusted and the standard of the schools may be higher than some that are DO only.

Touro will really have to perform however, and may open up new rotations in the east for its DO students.

Of course on the other side, if it goes really well in Allo School Business, Touro can turn around and turn all its DO schools to MD schools. Everything is possible.
 
And hello to docbill too... long time no speak.


Ready for next year? Still dreaming about Canada...
 
DrB said:
And hello to docbill too... long time no speak.


Ready for next year? Still dreaming about Canada...

Yesss... sir.. I am trying to stay off SDN-Crack.. but I still get 2-3 hits a day.
I am not readyyyy for what is going to happen in 3 months... but I will have to get ready fast. I am confident it will go well.

No hope in staying in Canada eH! But I must move now since I don't want to wait another year or two.

All the best B.
BA
 
HooahDOc said:
I think the disparity in funding is simple economics. Let's be realistic here: a new MD school will attract more applicants and attention than a DO school. It just makes more sense to invest heavily into something that could give greater returns, returns not always being monetary. Touro is, after all, a non-profit organizaiton.

Fair? No, but that's capitalism.
I don't think its just disparity issue of DO/MD. I think the money also has to do with the AREA that it will be in and the cost of construction. As well as we are not aware of any of the minute details of how big this school will be and what it will encompass. If its a large school it might need more money ... just a thought.

The reason why they are MD thought after opening two DO schools is an interesting one. Why the change? Is it going to be a heavy research facility? Etc. I'll be interested on how this turns out (if it even does).
 
Touro NV opened a school for <6million b/c they can.
LCME requirements are much more strict re:funding and facility alignment.

Why would you spend 50 million on a DO school when you can start up an operation for a tenth of that cost?

Security in terms of dedicated faculty positions, real clerkships, and academic oriented rotations are simply not of concern to these osteo programs.

Frankly, 50 million sounds pretty cheap to start a new allopath school. When the penguin came and talked to our class a few years ago he said that the LCME required 150 million for ground-breaking.
 
No one should be surprised at all that McTouro (totally hilarious, BTW) would be opening yet another "medical" school. These folks are all about the bottom line and that's it. I haven't ever seen anything like it (and I've been to several universities, public and private). At the white coat ceremony last year (the inagural cermony) Jay Sexter, resident douche and namesake of the room that is the TUNCOM library (look folks, it's old copies of the DO that JJ saved from 1992! It's a virtual library!) asked everyone in attendence to donate money to the school. At the white coat ceremony! Instead of hauling his fat ass on stage to congratulate the people they duped into coming to their warehouse (kosher vending machine anyone?) he asked our family and friends to give them money! When we're spending $38,000 a year for tuition! Oh good lord above, how I loathe that place. (Sorry in advance to my friends and former classmates, I'm not hating on ya'll, they just drive me nuts. Still.)

They will do anything to make a buck. They don't give a rat's ass about the "osteopathic philosophy". It's all about the cheddah.
 
Elysium said:
No one should be surprised at all that McTouro (totally hilarious, BTW) would be opening yet another "medical" school. These folks are all about the bottom line and that's it. I haven't ever seen anything like it (and I've been to several universities, public and private). At the white coat ceremony last year (the inagural cermony) Jay Sexter, resident douche and namesake of the room that is the TUNCOM library (look folks, it's old copies of the DO that JJ saved from 1992! It's a virtual library!) asked everyone in attendence to donate money to the school. At the white coat ceremony! Instead of hauling his fat ass on stage to congratulate the people they duped into coming to their warehouse (kosher vending machine anyone?) he asked our family and friends to give them money! When we're spending $38,000 a year for tuition! Oh good lord above, how I loathe that place. (Sorry in advance to my friends and former classmates, I'm not hating on ya'll, they just drive me nuts. Still.)

They will do anything to make a buck. They don't give a rat's ass about the "osteopathic philosophy". It's all about the cheddah.
As stated before, Elysium is in a SMALL minority if not her own minority, in regards to the depth and character of her opinions.
 
Do you think it's possible to file a class action lawsuit to private DO schools who charge as much as Ivy league MD schools, but do not have or provide heavy medical science research nor a teaching hospital on campus? Some of these schools have JD's and CEO's as heads. I think any tuition charge should be justified.
 
cardiotonic said:
As stated before, Elysium is in a SMALL minority if not her own minority, in regards to the depth and character of her opinions.

Do I know you?

Maybe you should talk to some of the second years and see how "minority" my opinion is.

And clearly you're yet another example of the "TUNCOM will accept anyone with a pulse" philosophy, which is why you lost so many of your first year brethren.

Just bide your time until residency match time comes around and see how your time at TUNCOM wows the RDs at any residency outside of Valley Hospital. You have no idea how this whole thing works, kid.

Again, to my friends, I'm sorry. I know you guys told me the first years were friggin' *****s, but I didn't really believe it could be that bad...

Bottom line: this whole process, the end game, is where you match. You match at prestigious places or in prestigious specialities because PDs respect the school you attended and the rotations you completed (and your grades in them). They're impressed by Step I scores. They're impressed by the performance of residents that graduated from your school that are in their program. If you think I'm making this up, go check out general residency forums. My boyfriend is graduating from MD school in a month and went through the IM match. He made a 240+ on Step I and II. He went to a top tier school. And it's still not an easy process (though he did match at his first choice), trust me. You can think I'm a bitch (and I am) and you can think this is because I left the warehouse. It doesn't really matter to me. I'm glad I'm going to a real school now, one that doesn't need to open new campuses every 5 minutes.

There are people that like it there (I think) and if you're one of them, that's great. Enjoy your time there and good luck with second year.
 
power ranger said:
Do you think it's possible to file a class action lawsuit to private DO schools who charge as much as Ivy league MD schools, but do not have or provide heavy medical science research nor a teaching hospital on campus? Some of these schools have JD's and CEO's as heads. I think any tuition charge should be justified.

A class action lawsuit with what charge? Most medical schools mission allo or ortho is to prepare students for boards/residency, which most appear to be doing quite well right now. The economics of tuition is determined by the marketplace and what it will bear, while I agree they are high, I don't see anything criminal in the private school's actions. I also fail to understand your problem with a JD or a CEO at the head of an organization. I personally would rather have the person best qualified for the job in the spot, your statement is equivalent to saying that an engineer or scientist should be the head of all technology firms which is asinine.
 
Wow Elysium, back off my fellow classmate! It's obvious your warped view stemmed from the fact that you did not make the cut... 😡

And yes... Elysium... we all know you... 🙄
 
UltimateDO said:
A class action lawsuit with what charge? Most medical schools mission allo or ortho is to prepare students for boards/residency, which most appear to be doing quite well right now. The economics of tuition is determined by the marketplace and what it will bear, while I agree they are high, I don't see anything criminal in the private school's actions. I also fail to understand your problem with a JD or a CEO at the head of an organization. I personally would rather have the person best qualified for the job in the spot, your statement is equivalent to saying that an engineer or scientist should be the head of all technology firms which is asinine.

“http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=122625

However, in the DO medical education system, your third and fourth year attendings are VOLUNTEERS. It is against the AOA philosophy to PAY the attendings. So, your school still collects the same tuition that the MD institutions are charging (that they use to pay the attnedings), and POCKETS the difference. This is a HUGE money maker. Think about it:

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I never knew this. If they really do this now (and not 1900), it’s not really practicing osteopathic philosophy, but the schools are doing it to cash in. Plus, the schools aren’t spending as much money on running teaching hospitals or conducting ground breaking research. Why charge like the ivy’s then?

There’s a subtle element of fraud.

Why should DO students find out about this on a forum like this or when they go on rotations? They should be told straight up from the front office.

But, I do agree that they are doing a good job preparing physicians.

It just seems like most public/private MD schools have doctors at the top of the chain...
 
While I agree that DO school tuition is becoming scary and ever exceeding national inflation, however, just b/c I read something on this forum does not make want to take it at face value. I hope you don't either. I was not aware that the DO schools do not comp the hospitals that train their students during the 3rd and 4th years. AOA philosophy or not, I'm sure their is some sort of financial retribution. Nobody works for free. All we know is rumor, and that is the only fact so far demonstrated.

Also on that note, these institutions (DO), as discussed, are not state and federally supported as most MD schools are, nor do they draw funds from research (or at least anything substantial). A vast majority of its funding is from you and me. Keeping a sound infrastructure attracts the best students, to increase the institution's reputation. Everyone wants to go to a good school with a good rep. Infrastructure, such as the new 24 million dollar student education center at my institution: DMU, is not cheap and attracts those good students. That is a lot of money but the facility is fantastic and worth the tuition as I'm sure most there would probably agree.

On the fact that DO schools are popping up all over the place is perplexing to me. Not sure how to feel about it yet. I've read a great report (not sure where, probably on here) that stated that the AMA is becoming aware that USMG's (allo) may soon start to become a minority among the US in medical graduates. Their assesments of projected needs of physicians has changed so much that they still don't know what to think. But they do know that keeping a small physician pool keeps wages up and that has proabably been their bottom line. Why do you think their are so few GME spots in those plush and lucrative medical fields. Dare I name them?

Take a look at how many FMG's are in residency positions all over the country. Way Way more than DO. We still got a long way till we dilute the talent of the DO pool in my opinion by opening new schools. Many students go abroad and come back here to practice and are successful and safe. We all no how many smart and talented people did poor (or average) on the MCAT and had to look elsewhere than the "prestigious" US allopath schools with their purposefull small acceptance pool. I say we keep the kids here and open new schools, both MD and DO. The US needs Americans at the bedsides of its patients in my opinion.

I won't even start on the whole DO GME position thing there. If anything, that is where us DO students are being sold short and restirring what remaining hostility towards the DO degree remain.

Anyway, it is good to see people interested in what affects them. With insightful people comes a bright future and I think we being the future will be able to figure this thing out. Lord knows our parents sure have screwed things up. Damn hippies.
 
cmeshy said:
While I agree that DO school tuition is becoming scary and ever exceeding national inflation, however, just b/c I read something on this forum does not make want to take it at face value. I hope you don't either. I was not aware that the DO schools do not comp the hospitals that train their students during the 3rd and 4th years. AOA philosophy or not, I'm sure their is some sort of financial retribution. Nobody works for free. All we know is rumor, and that is the only fact so far demonstrated.

This is a FACT for most DO schools.

cmeshy said:
Lord knows our parents sure have screwed things up. Damn hippies.

you're a jackoff.
 
DireWolf said:
This is a FACT for most DO schools.

you're a jackoff.

I seriously would love to read the evidence. If you got some please post it. I would like to know the workings of the machine.


Oh and for the kind comment... Thanks. Always get a kick out of posting on here. Like I said, damn hippies.
 
cmeshy said:
Thanks. Always get a kick out of posting on here. Like I said, damn hippies.

like I said. you're a jackoff. this is fun.
 
repeat post. will repeat as necessary.
 
DireWolf said:
repeat post. will repeat as necessary.

ah pitty, your repeat posts don't have that beautiful little poem on them. such a shame.
 
I've heard (indirectly) from TUCOM-MI's clinical education director that they do compensate hospitals for 3rd year rotation spots. Someone from COMP also claimed TUCOM was paying Arrowhead for 3rd year spots.

As far as Elysium, I don't know how she so quickly transitioned from her story then, to now. She was either exaggerating then, or now.
 
heech said:
I've heard (indirectly) from TUCOM-MI's clinical education director that they do compensate hospitals for 3rd year rotation spots. Someone from COMP also claimed TUCOM was paying Arrowhead for 3rd year spots.

As far as Elysium, I don't know how she so quickly transitioned from her story then, to now. She was either exaggerating then, or now.


I just spoke to some one who knows Elysium personally. She basically couldn't hack it at Tucom-NV and dropped out her second year. Look up her posts--she is one angry girl who has been aggravated even further.
 
heech said:
I've heard (indirectly) from TUCOM-MI's clinical education director that they do compensate hospitals for 3rd year rotation spots. Someone from COMP also claimed TUCOM was paying Arrowhead for 3rd year spots.

As far as Elysium, I don't know how she so quickly transitioned from her story then, to now. She was either exaggerating then, or now.

:laugh:
 
Touro going MD in Jersey? Sounds like a crock of s**t to me. Does anyone know what kind of impact this could have on Touro-NV's entering class next year?
 
b18c1 said:

Is Touro for real? I mean don't they have a law school too? IN A DIFFERENT STATE THAN IT"S OTHER SCHOOLS? How can they keep popping up professional schools all over the place!!!??? I don't care if they open another med school in NJ but please don't let it be TOURO. Stop the TOURO insanity.
 
OHMAN0125 said:
Is Touro for real? I mean don't they have a law school too? IN A DIFFERENT STATE THAN IT"S OTHER SCHOOLS? How can they keep popping up professional schools all over the place!!!??? I don't care if they open another med school in NJ but please don't let it be TOURO. Stop the TOURO insanity.

I posted this on the pre-osteo so I thought I would put it on here too.


So far we are still filling too many residency spots with foreign grads. A direct quote from the president of AAMC states:

"Each year, the 17,000 or so graduates of the 125 U.S. medical schools enter the second required phase of preparation needed to become a practicing doctor...less than 70 percent of the 25,000 first-year residency positions are now being filled. The remaining 8,000 or so positions are filled by graduates of medical schools outside of the United States."

In fact MD schools are being told to increase their acceptances due to the shortage in physicians. That is why MSU's incoming class size was increased. If anybody, the FMGs and IMGs are going to be most affected by this new wave of schools openings.

Also, think of the population boom. This link graphically animates the population from 1950 to 2050:

http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/Animation/pyramid.html

Notice the population expansion every where, but especially in the 85+ year olds, indicating the longer life spans people now have due to numerous medical break throughs. We are going to need a lot of physicians to treat the elderly.

So far I have not heard of a doctor not being able to find a job. Instead I was always advised to stay in health care because the demand would never die.

Finally, I spoke to a current Touro-NV student who informed me that their admissions standards are being increased for next year.

I think you have very valid concerns, but the big picture seems to be more convoluted.
 
One of the links above seems to confirm TUCOM does pay for 3rd year residency spots, which might come at the expense of other institutions:

Dr. Robert Johnson, interim dean at NJ Medical School, suggested Touro would pay hospitals for the hands-on training of its medical students — which UMDNJ, as a publicly funded institution, does not do.

“If Touro comes in and pays hospitals for the privilege of putting medical students there, we will have a great deal of difficulty finding space for our medical students,” Johnson said in an interview with NJJN. “We are a state medical school, and we can’t pay hospitals for clinical training.”
 
power ranger said:
“http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=122625

However, in the DO medical education system, your third and fourth year attendings are VOLUNTEERS. It is against the AOA philosophy to PAY the attendings. So, your school still collects the same tuition that the MD institutions are charging (that they use to pay the attnedings), and POCKETS the difference. This is a HUGE money maker.

I would agree with you if the statement were true. Granted I only know about 4 of the DO institutions but NYCOM, UMDNJ, and both of the PCOM's do pay. I would imagine that at least some of the other schools do too. Anyone else know about their schools? Generally if your school is going to rotate through either allo institutions or through OIS/OPTI type of programs there is some sort of payment whether direct or indirect.

For those lumping PCOM-GA in with the other recent expansions please check out my post on the similar thread in the pre-osteo for specifics that should change your opinion.
 
Touro-NV WILL be raising admissions criteria next year...just as they did this year...

I can only speak for the school in Nevada on any of this. But if anyone meets or spends some time with our Dean (Dr. Forman) they will understand that this school is going to be recognized as an important addition to osteopathic medical schools in a very few short years!

I believe some of our admissions criteria has already surpassed that of well established schools, and the amount of applicants is allowing the admissions department to continue with this trend. I also believe that admissions criteria is not the end all be all of a successful medical student.

Our second year class is going to be taking the first set of boards from Touro-NV and I have full confidence that those that test will be successful...let me add that those that weren't cutting it in our school (along with every other school in the country) were supported in their decision to try to work harder with the help of free tutors, drop out or had the choice of dropping out and returning the following year after taking some classes that would help improve their ability to handle the workload.
 
Elysium said:
No one should be surprised at all that McTouro (totally hilarious, BTW) would be opening yet another "medical" school. These folks are all about the bottom line and that's it. I haven't ever seen anything like it (and I've been to several universities, public and private). At the white coat ceremony last year (the inagural cermony) Jay Sexter, resident douche and namesake of the room that is the TUNCOM library (look folks, it's old copies of the DO that JJ saved from 1992! It's a virtual library!) asked everyone in attendence to donate money to the school. At the white coat ceremony! Instead of hauling his fat ass on stage to congratulate the people they duped into coming to their warehouse (kosher vending machine anyone?) he asked our family and friends to give them money! When we're spending $38,000 a year for tuition! Oh good lord above, how I loathe that place. (Sorry in advance to my friends and former classmates, I'm not hating on ya'll, they just drive me nuts. Still.)

They will do anything to make a buck. They don't give a rat's ass about the "osteopathic philosophy". It's all about the cheddah.


I would hate a place that i failed out, lost $50K in the process and was the only one who couldn't handle the class load out of my class. and another thing that will help you match is passing your class and working hard maybe you should look into that.
 
Elysium said:
Do I know you?

Maybe you should talk to some of the second years and see how "minority" my opinion is.

And clearly you're yet another example of the "TUNCOM will accept anyone with a pulse" philosophy, which is why you lost so many of your first year brethren.

Just bide your time until residency match time comes around and see how your time at TUNCOM wows the RDs at any residency outside of Valley Hospital. You have no idea how this whole thing works, kid.

Again, to my friends, I'm sorry. I know you guys told me the first years were friggin' *****s, but I didn't really believe it could be that bad...

Bottom line: this whole process, the end game, is where you match. You match at prestigious places or in prestigious specialities because PDs respect the school you attended and the rotations you completed (and your grades in them). They're impressed by Step I scores. They're impressed by the performance of residents that graduated from your school that are in their program. If you think I'm making this up, go check out general residency forums. My boyfriend is graduating from MD school in a month and went through the IM match. He made a 240+ on Step I and II. He went to a top tier school. And it's still not an easy process (though he did match at his first choice), trust me. You can think I'm a bitch (and I am) and you can think this is because I left the warehouse. It doesn't really matter to me. I'm glad I'm going to a real school now, one that doesn't need to open new campuses every 5 minutes.

There are people that like it there (I think) and if you're one of them, that's great. Enjoy your time there and good luck with second year.


Elysium,

I don't know you and you don't know me. My guess is that you don't know any of the first year students at Touro-NV. From what I gather, the only way you know anything about any first years at Touro are from a few friends you still have there, who I doubt really know very many first years personally as well. This being said, I am quite shocked at the venom and disrespect you have thrown towards people that you know nothing about. In your comments you imply that you mean no disrespect to students here, but this is only a cover because you insult them and their intelligence in your following statements. I am obviously a first year at Touro-NV and I am very well acquainted with my first year classmates as well as many second year students. I have heard many students speak their minds about the school and what they dislike about it. Although there are some minor complaints, I have not met one person with the same negative view that you have. I have not met one that has felt that the administration and faculty is in it for the money and has no regard for the students or teaching osteopathic principles. As a matter of fact there is an overwheliming sentiment opposite to yours. I respect your right to disagree with Touro and it's mission, but I resent the way that you insult students you know nothing about. Many, if not all will become fine doctors some day and do not deserve to be disrespected. I hope things work out for you wherever you are. I urge you to give people the benefit of the doubt instead making your assumptions from second hand knowledge.
 
Elysium said:
Maybe you should talk to some of the second years and see how "minority" my opinion is.

I'm a 2nd year at Touro and knew Elysium. She is a bitter, pesimistic woman. There is always a grey cloud that hangs over her head and surely the world is going to end just around the corner (thank goodness it hasn't yet!). Pay no attention to what she says.

BTW, it is an extremely small minority!
 
Madcow said:
Elysium,

I don't know you and you don't know me. My guess is that you don't know any of the first year students at Touro-NV. From what I gather, the only way you know anything about any first years at Touro are from a few friends you still have there, who I doubt really know very many first years personally as well. This being said, I am quite shocked at the venom and disrespect you have thrown towards people that you know nothing about. In your comments you imply that you mean no disrespect to students here, but this is only a cover because you insult them and their intelligence in your following statements. I am obviously a first year at Touro-NV and I am very well acquainted with my first year classmates as well as many second year students. I have heard many students speak their minds about the school and what they dislike about it. Although there are some minor complaints, I have not met one person with the same negative view that you have. I have not met one that has felt that the administration and faculty is in it for the money and has no regard for the students or teaching osteopathic principles. As a matter of fact there is an overwheliming sentiment opposite to yours. I respect your right to disagree with Touro and it's mission, but I resent the way that you insult students you know nothing about. Many, if not all will become fine doctors some day and do not deserve to be disrespected. I hope things work out for you wherever you are. I urge you to give people the benefit of the doubt instead making your assumptions from second hand knowledge.


Well said Madcow.
 
nvshelat said:
Back to NJ:

http://news.arcticnews.net/archive/aa_anc040816/oc1_A6.htm

This was a link posted in the pre-md forum re how the opening of Touro is linked to the McGreevy sex scandal.

This is an interesting article. I smell conspiracy theory....

TRENTON, Aug. 16 - The federal investigation into Gov. James E. McGreevey's accusation that a former aide tried to extort him by threatening to reveal their extramarital affair is now focusing on a strange, last-minute offer to keep the matter secret if the governor agreed to approve a plan for a new medical school in New Jersey, according to three people involved in the inquiry.

Just 10 minutes before Mr. McGreevey was scheduled to announce his resignation last Thursday, a member of his inner circle received a telephone call from a lawyer who identified himself as an intermediary for Golan Cipel, the aide who was threatening to sue the governor for sexual assault and harassment.

I was rather shocked when McGreevey came out with that. People in NJ were divided heavily when they found out he was both married to a women and if I remember correctly, an intimate relationship with another man.

The caller, Timothy Saia, reportedly said that Mr. Cipel would agree not to go public with his charges if Mr. McGreevey granted a charter to Touro College, a New York City institution that has been unsuccessfully seeking to open a medical facility in New Jersey for months.

Wow. I'm not a political science major or anything, but that is either the writing of another one of those conspiracy theory writers - or it is really cold hard evidence of the under the table dealings in NJ.

State Senator Raymond J. Lesniak, the McGreevey confidant who received the call, declined to comment on the conversation. But Mr. McGreevey's lawyers reported the offer to the F.B.I., and federal officials involved with the case said that the authorities were now trying to determine whether it was an attempt to extort the governor.

Ok that makes a little more sense. The author isn't a conspiracy theory nut.

The telephone call and reference to Touro add a new level of intrigue to the convoluted circumstances surrounding Mr. McGreevey's stunning decision to resign and announce that he was "a gay American." Mr. Cipel, who left the McGreevey administration two years ago and has worked as a political consultant, briefly worked for a media relations company that was hired last year to help Touro get a charter.

This is interesting.

But Franklyn H. Snitow, a lawyer for Touro College, said that Mr. Cipel stopped working on the school's behalf in January 2004. He added that administrators at the college had never heard of either Mr. Saia or Mr. Cipel's lawyer of record, Allen M. Lowy.

Politics :meanie:

"Touro College has no knowledge of, has never authorized, or had any communications with anyone regarding Cipel's alleged demand that Touro be given a charter," he said in a telephone interview. "Nor did Touro College ever authorize Timothy Saia to speak on its behalf."

In an interview on Saturday in Manhattan, Mr. Lowy acknowledged that both he and Mr. Cipel knew Mr. Saia, but he insisted that nothing about Touro College had ever been raised in 20 days of settlement talks with Mr. McGreevey's lawyers.

Mr. Lowy said that Mr. Saia had attended one negotiating session in Manhattan on Aug. 9, three days before Mr. McGreevey announced he was resigning. Mr. Lowy said neither he nor Mr. Cipel had asked Mr. Saia to become involved in the talks.

"I thought maybe the governor's people invited him," Mr. Lowy said.

The intrigue oh the intrigue! And it get's even more interesting:

But another person involved in the discussions, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that Mr. Saia insisted that Mr. Lowy asked him to relay the last-minute offer to Mr. McGreevey's advisers. Mr. Saia reportedly was an acquaintance of Mr. Cipel and became involved in the case when he heard that Mr. Cipel was considering legal action against the governor.

The surprising mention of Touro College made some of the governor's advisers question whether Charles Kushner, a major McGreevey campaign contributor who was recently charged with hiring prostitutes to silence a witness in a fund-raising investigation, might have played a role in Mr. Cipel's threat to file suit.

Oh boy. 😱 😱

Mr. Kushner, a developer, is on the advisory board of Touro College and has been an enthusiastic supporter of the school's plan to open a New Jersey medical school. He helped raise money for the planned school and hoped to have it named after his late mother. He also has ties to Mr. Cipel, whom he once employed and whom he sponsored for his visa when Mr. Cipel came to the United States from Israel.

But Mr. Kushner's lawyer said he had nothing to do with Mr. Cipel's plans to file a lawsuit or any of the settlement discussions it triggered. His lawyer, Ben Brafman, said Mr. Kushner was stunned when he heard news reports that Touro College's plans to move to New Jersey had been raised during the negotiations about the possible sexual harassment suit against the governor.

"Charles Kushner had absolutely nothing to do with this," Mr. Brafman said. "He hasn't seen Golan in years."

Touro College now has 29 campuses, mostly in the New York area but also in California, Moscow and Israel. It was founded in 1970 in Midtown Manhattan by Dr. Bernard Lander, a former dean at Yeshiva University who wanted a secular-studies college aimed at a largely Jewish audience.

While its 16,000 student body is still heavily Jewish and heavily Orthodox, it also has more diverse campuses like one in East Harlem where most students are black or Hispanic.

In its effort to get approval of a charter, Touro was also represented by former Senator Robert G. Torricelli, who now works as a political consultant. Mr. McGreevey's advisers said that in recent months, Mr. Torricelli and his aides had been unsuccessfully trying to arrange meetings with the administration to push for the project.

Mr. Torricelli did not return calls seeking comment Monday, but his aide, Sean Jackson, told The Associated Press that they were not involved in Mr. Cipel's efforts.

"Neither Senator Torricelli nor myself have ever spoken or met with Mr. Cipel," he said.

Jason George and Robert Hanley contributed reporting for this article.

I don't even no what to say. Anyone care to chime in? Half of me is thinking this is true, the other half saying no it is not. I live in New Jersey. And all of this does not suprise me at all.
 
If you think its too hot...stay out of the kitchen.

Seriously guys, the economics of medical school budgeting and tuition isn't designed to punish its med students.

Some universities charge huge tuition because they're following a trend with prestious schools. With regards to med schools, the cheapest schools for the students are either heavily subsidized by the state/govt (public) or heavily endowed (Baylor JHop). Some (I think this isn't often the case) offer scholarships in place of an overall reduction in tuition to recruit superstar students and/or those with disadvantaged backgrounds.

For universities like Touro, they're not just charging huge tuition because they can. It takes decades to build, expand, recruit funded researchers, build an endowment. It's not really an option to discount the tuition to the students.

It's like people who get pissed a shirt costs 10 dollars when it only cost 2 dollars to make....shipping, advertizement, store overhead-expansion...it all adds in and isn't a simple equation.

If you don't want to pay, join the military or the national service corps.....

or just go to a different school.

I'm going to pay through the nose, but I'm investing in my self AND in Touro's future students....a legacy and reputation that will benefit me throughout my career (cheesy I know, but the truth).

Just my opinion,

-s
TUCOM-MI
2010
 
"Grow where you are planted and you will bloom"
 
PhDtoDO said:
For universities like Touro, they're not just charging huge tuition because they can. It takes decades to build, expand, recruit funded researchers, build an endowment. It's not really an option to discount the tuition to the students.

Oh please. Touro does not give a DAMN about hiring funded researchers, hell they dont give a damn about research in general! Please provide a list of Touro faculty at all institutions that have been published in major journals. You will find that list sparse compared to other universities.

The mission of Touro is the same mission as the University of Phoenix: start a massive nationwide network of degree granting factories. They dont give a damn about building a large research university. They want maximum profit.
 
MacGyver said:
Oh please. Touro does not give a DAMN about hiring funded researchers, hell they dont give a damn about research in general! Please provide a list of Touro faculty at all institutions that have been published in major journals. You will find that list sparse compared to other universities.

The mission of Touro is the same mission as the University of Phoenix: start a massive nationwide network of degree granting factories. They dont give a damn about building a large research university. They want maximum profit.

since we are only 2 years old there is not a lot of reserach going on. here is a list of current research by some of our teacher at Touro NV.
Macgyver get a life

http://www.tu.edu/departments.php?id=46&page=261
 
MacGyver said:
Oh please. Touro does not give a DAMN about hiring funded researchers, hell they dont give a damn about research in general! Please provide a list of Touro faculty at all institutions that have been published in major journals. You will find that list sparse compared to other universities.
And here's the list for TUCOM-MI:
http://www.tu.edu/departments.php?id=58&page=299

Here's the abstracts for TUCOM-MI research from this past school year:
http://www.tu.edu/user_files/19/abstract_booklast.pdf

You can go to PubMed (http://www.pubmed.com) and search for publications by some of the TUCOM faculty as well. Search for "Elul T" and "Schwarz TM", recent UCSF post-docs who joined TUCOM-MI in the last year or so. TUCOM also brought in.. 3-5?.. research only post-docs researchers this past year.

For a school that graduated its first class in 2001, and which really started to ramp up its basic science research program 2-3 years ago, TUCOM's doing a little better than the University of Phoenix.

Apology accepted.
 
MacGyver said:
Oh please. Touro does not give a DAMN about hiring funded researchers, hell they dont give a damn about research in general! Please provide a list of Touro faculty at all institutions that have been published in major journals. You will find that list sparse compared to other universities.

The mission of Touro is the same mission as the University of Phoenix: start a massive nationwide network of degree granting factories. They dont give a damn about building a large research university. They want maximum profit.
Either you're running a little low on your haldol (and I have to say, as far as conspiracy theories go, this is a pretty lame one) or you've got some *gasp!* evidence to back up what you're saying. Which is it, bub?

I'm sure that even the people on this thread who disagree with you would welcome facts, articles, or position statements that corroborate what you're saying. At the very least, it will raise this dialogue from the level of a baseless diatribe on your part to a real discussion.


cheers
 
Wow, Touro has a lotta Beach Boys fans as students.
 
Zweihander said:
Either you're running a little low on your haldol (and I have to say, as far as conspiracy theories go, this is a pretty lame one) or you've got some *gasp!* evidence to back up what you're saying. Which is it, bub?

I'm sure that even the people on this thread who disagree with you would welcome facts, articles, or position statements that corroborate what you're saying. At the very least, it will raise this dialogue from the level of a baseless diatribe on your part to a real discussion.


cheers

You're awsome Zweihander, and you speak such truths. 😀
 
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