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So if memory serves me right TOURO-COM in Manhattan should have graduated its first class?
So if i'm right, how did you guys do?
So if i'm right, how did you guys do?
TOUROCOM-NY Match List
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Looks like not a single person matched into the MD institution in manhattan I am familar with. DO bias still strong in manhattan.
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Not sure what you are familiar with but
1x - Metropolitan Hospital Center - Manhattan – affiliated with NYMC
2x - St. Luke's Roosevelt - Manhattan – affiliated with Columbia U.
2x - New York University Medical Center - Manhattan - affiliated with NYU
The match list is decent (good for what 2011 had to put up with) but I wouldn't say impressive. The matchlist posted here doesn't seem to be the complete one.
1x - Metropolitan Hospital Center - Manhattan – affiliated with NYMC
2x - St. Luke's Roosevelt - Manhattan – affiliated with Columbia U.
2x - New York University Medical Center - Manhattan - affiliated with NYU
The match list is decent (good for what 2011 had to put up with) but I wouldn't say impressive. The matchlist posted here doesn't seem to be the complete one.
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^^ beat me to it...
What did 2011 have to 'put up with?'
What did 2011 have to 'put up with?'
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A school that wasn't prepared for students and opened a year too early. 2011 and 2012 took the hit the most. 2014 and 2015 (more so than 2013) are bueno. took them a few years but they have gotten it together for the most part.
COCA must have on beer goggles in approving new school openings...low standards
COCA must have on beer goggles in approving new school openings...low standards
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Yea. I just took photos of the match list they had up a few months back and then transcribed it to here. I'm not surprised its not full since it didnt have the specialties matched on it, just the locations. Still trying to get "Goldilocks" to make that public (or at least available to the students)
Yea. I feel bad for you guys. At least the 2011 plaque calls then "pioneers". Which is funny in how fitting it is. He's right, the school was not prepped for the first class and responded to that problem by installing a vice-like grip on 2012. I know I'm in 2013 and we have had a really good time (though with some battles to get changes we wanted as well). 2014 and the new incoming class of 2015 should have it pretty nice finally.
And COCA? I imagine they're like the unattractive girl who went to the bar with LCME. She is jumping into the arms of anyone, no matter how ugly, who will give her attention to try to "prove" she's prettier than her friend and can get all the guys. And everyone is ugly drunk, some people turn out to not be such a bad mistake once you sober up... 3 or 4 years later.
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don't think those are the main teaching hospitals of the big 4 MD institution in manhattan.
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SLR is not C-P. That is correct. But I wouldn't equate it the same way one would, say, "Columbia - Hartford" where its columbias random CT hospital.
Metropolitan hospital is the real deal and NYU is Langone, which is the real deal as well. IDK man, your comment isn't really holding up for me. I agree with you that its not C-P, Weil Cornell, Jacobi or Sinai. But Metropolitan and NYU-Langone are two major hospitals for NYMC and NYU, not secondary centers.
SLR is a secondary center, but it's a really impressive one where people see real pathology.
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Best I can tell you right now is from our little press release upon graduating our first class:
"In addition to TouroCOMs class of 2011 match results showing that 52 percent of the students will be pursuing careers in primary care, 48 percent will pursue a specialty. The most popular choices are internal medicine (30 percent), family practice (16 percent), rotating (15 percent), emergency medicine (13 percent), surgery (8 percent), and pediatrics (7 percent.)"
also, saw on FB, that one guy got Otolaryngology/Facial Plastic Surgery at Metro Health in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
I'm sorry I dont have more specific stuff, my class isnt that in touch with the just graduated class and the school only released the locations. So I'm SOL on trying to give you specialties at the current moment.
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Dude, I have got to ask, what is your problem with DO? You seem to never fail to bring up the DO bias and bash the degree every single chance you got. You trolling hard, brah?
At one point you claimed to be an MD student, then NYCOM. What is it like studying medicine on the islands?
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lulz its likely an SGU/Ross student trollin...first he's an allo student, then he's a NYCOM student??
Yes, Manhattan is a medical mecca with 4 top allo schools, so there is going to be some DO-bias, but be assured it's not anywhere close to the anti-Carib bias...
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Protoss is a 2nd year (soon to be 3rd) at Columbia Med. He went to UC Berkeley for undergrad and has overbearing Asian parents whom he whined about under his former username, Handy388. He's a troll all right, but also a perfect example of the petty human nature that exists in medicine.
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nope.
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Your argument leaves me unconvinced. Maybe I can clear this up by posting photographs of a promising candidate from Facebook/friend of mine at Columbia.
Oh one of those asian keener kids. Explains his smart ass know it all tone
If this is true, it is VERY pathetic he is posting on a DO forum. Just goes to show you the people at those "great" med schools are actually just socially challenged kids who gave up the chance to develop socially in undergrad to achieve that little extra bit of GPA. Sadly, I doubt those kids will make "better" doctors, especially if their specialty requires any patient interaction
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To be fair, I'm great friends with a lot of the students at Columbia, Cornell, NYU, and Einstein (youre the odd one out Sinai. Anti-social so-and-so's). I dont buy into the idea that there are more or less completely terrible people, socially, in either educational system. We just might be dealing with one, regardless of future degree, right now.
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I feel the same way...I don't know anyone at Sinai but since I am there everyday I can comment on the fact that every student I have seen there looks like they are 12!
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I rotated with a guy in the 2011 class.
Not sure if he matched at one of those programs that's being listed (w/o corresponding residency specialty being matched into)
Not sure if he matched at one of those programs that's being listed (w/o corresponding residency specialty being matched into)
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Is it sad that I remember Handy388? Probably is.
I managed to steal a peek at the match list with the specialties. The list posted here is definately not complete. I'm not gonna disclose how I saw it. It was a while ago, but from what I remember. We matched internal med and I think psych at NYU. St. Luke's Roosevelt and Mayo Clinic were Anesthesia. We had 2 ACGME General Surgery matches, which I think is pretty damn good, as only 19 DO's matched GS last year. One of them was at St. Elizabeth something or other. I don't know where it is. The other was Sinai Baltimore. I'm fairly sure someone got Dermatology at St. John's Episcopal(AOA residency), but on it list it would of been listed at a Transitional Year. Thats all I remember off hand.
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Wow, these are FANTASTIC matches for a school that only started <4 years ago. My grateful appreciation to all of the above for this info.
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I'm sure it is now.
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yea. it got accredited in early may.
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can someone post the PDF for their match list ?
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Hahaha wow ... I remember Handy as well and did not know that he had Carrier were the same person. Pathetic.
Hasn't been released. The only info we have collectively is in this thread.
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Still nothing? R they embarrassed or something?
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, Most schools I've seen don't put out a formal list, but rather its collectively produced from the students.
Yea what he said. Technically if you release a list you have to get the approval of each student on the list (even if you dont use their names. Hospital + field is enough to require approval). Which is why the only list we ever got was the list of what hospitals, without the attached residency type.
Some schools say "screw it" and release the list anyway. I doubt anyone will ever formally complain, but if they did, the school would be 100% liable as they arent supposed to be doing that without approval. Most schools have a "list" because the 4th years collectively create one.
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Not trying to start a war because we're part of the same institution, but maybe you should bite your tongue:
http://www.natmatch.com/aoairp/stats/2011sklstats.htm
Touro-NY was top 10 in match % whereas Touro-NV was #20. Combine that with the fact that it was the inaugural graduating class, and I can assure you that there is nothing embarrassing about that. What more info do you need, exactly?
Just to clarify that data, it shows the number of people who matched into AOA residencies from DO schools. Since it doesn't include ACGME programs, it doesn't show the complete picture. Add on the fact that there are fewer AOA residencies on the West Coast, West Coast Schools tend to have fewer people going into AOA residencies.
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You really believe this? It's 100 percent not true, just trying to understand your logic behind it
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Had lunch with my dean and Karen Nichols. He asked AOA (now ex) president Karen Nichols if he could post the match results. She explained this to him, and me, in person very clearly and without any ambiguity. The list of match sites that we had up was pulled off the wall by the dean himself about 10 minutes later.
So, my logic is that it came from the lips of the authority on the matter.
I know no one admits they're wrong on the internet, but this would be one of those times to consider doing so.
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Had lunch with my dean and Karen Nichols. He asked AOA (now ex) president Karen Nichols if he could post the match results. She explained this to him, and me, in person very clearly and without any ambiguity. The list of match sites that we had up was pulled off the wall by the dean himself about 10 minutes later.
So, my logic is that it came from the lips of the authority on the matter.
Not saying some AOA kook didn't have them pulled down for whatever reason (maybe being unhappy with the match results), but there's no 'rule' that you can't post match results. What 'liability' are they exposing themselves to by posting a lists of specialties and hospitals. Every allopathic school is able to do it. I don't blame prospective students for thinking it's strange
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Not going to argue this with you. Allopathic schools *dont* do it. Neither do osteopathic. Also: FERPA. Cant share anything about academic accomplishments without either a waiver or written consent. Hospital + department is enough to identify the person and require consent. Its just how it is. I'm not sure why you're seeing some scary nefarious motive behind this. You'll be hard pressed to find more than a small fraction of schools that have official lists available. Generally they either dont exist (And are entirely student made) or are under password protection on school intranets with big notices that they are not to be copied anywhere (not that it stops anyone). The rare schools I've found that do make it available are generally way out of date and/or released very infrequently (NYCOM's latest is 2007 if i remember right, and columbias is 2008, off memory alone).
Can I say this about every school out there? No. But FERPA is the rule and that is how it plays out. I dont imagine that many schools totally ignore it. But since the match list is something to brag about I'm sure enough schools make the list available so it can "accidentally" make its way out even if they dont follow FERPA on it. Nearly all of what we see is either student created or copied from a (supposedly) private and secured source.
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this info might help. its straight from tourocom's website:
...."In addition to TouroCOM's class of 2011 match results showing that 52 percent of the students will be pursuing careers in primary care, 48 percent will pursue a specialty. The most popular choices are internal medicine (30 percent), family practice (17 percent), rotating (16 percent), emergency medicine (13 percent), surgery (8 percent), and pediatrics (7 percent.)"
source: http://www.touro.edu/media/pr/releases/PR-Touro_COM_2011_Match_Day.pdf
class size is a little over a 100
...."In addition to TouroCOM's class of 2011 match results showing that 52 percent of the students will be pursuing careers in primary care, 48 percent will pursue a specialty. The most popular choices are internal medicine (30 percent), family practice (17 percent), rotating (16 percent), emergency medicine (13 percent), surgery (8 percent), and pediatrics (7 percent.)"
source: http://www.touro.edu/media/pr/releases/PR-Touro_COM_2011_Match_Day.pdf
class size is a little over a 100
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this is definitely not true. For MD schools at least, I'd say 90% of the schools have official match lists published on their website. Maybe it requires consent, but the consent is apparently incredibly easy to get as demonstrated by the majority of schools publishing the data.
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you're wrong, here's just a few programs, all of which I got from the first page of this thread http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=805512&highlight=2011 which publicly post their match lists.
http://admin.med.fsu.edu/index.cfm?page=alumniFriends.whereTheyMatched
http://casemed.case.edu/admissions/images/2011 CWRU Anonymized Match List.pdf
http://pritzker.uchicago.edu/about/news/2011MatchResults-FORWEB.pdf
http://medstation.yale.edu/enrollment/2011matchspec.pdf
http://www.med-ed.virginia.edu/handbook/residency/match/11/match11a.cfm
http://med.brown.edu/about/match
http://medicine.buffalo.edu/news_an.../smbs/news/2011/03/match_dayevent.detail.html
http://tulane.edu/som/StudentAffairs/upload/MATCH-RESULTS-2011-c.pdf
http://myalbert.einstein.yu.edu/aecom/students/match/2011.php
http://www.uth.tmc.edu/med/students-current/MatchResults.pdf
http://rockford.medicine.uic.edu/News/match_day_results_-_2011/
http://www.ttuhsc.edu/som/studentaffairs/documents/Match_List_2011.pdf
your ferpa excuse is ridiculous. schools can post these lists whenever they want, I don't know why nycom doesn't post their's but it has nothing to do with the law. If it really was ferpa they couldn't post it password protected either because that would still be distributing confidential information to every student at the school
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Had lunch with my dean and Karen Nichols. He asked AOA (now ex) president Karen Nichols if he could post the match results. She explained this to him, and me, in person very clearly and without any ambiguity. The list of match sites that we had up was pulled off the wall by the dean himself about 10 minutes later.
So, my logic is that it came from the lips of the authority on the matter.
You're right, no one admits when they're wrong
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The TouroCOM building is umm, "interesting" to look at from the outside. Hey, at least, TouroCOM is held in slightly higher regard than RVUCOM by students, faculty, the D.O. world, and academia in general. Not bad considering the mother institution's (Touro itself) reputation for selling grades and degrees.
Honestly, it's really not surprising to see why TouroCOM wouldn't publish their match list. If you ran the show at TouroCOM, would you show the world the match list of your first graduating class?
Lastly, TouroCOM is committed to producing doctors to serve in Harlem, yet how many of their rotations in even in NYC???
Honestly, it's really not surprising to see why TouroCOM wouldn't publish their match list. If you ran the show at TouroCOM, would you show the world the match list of your first graduating class?
Lastly, TouroCOM is committed to producing doctors to serve in Harlem, yet how many of their rotations in even in NYC???
