**Trying** to transfer fellowship...

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Hello all, I posted a few months back my situation on this forum... I am a new fellow in a competitive specialty but a non competitive program... I gave my program a chance but the reality is, I am not getting enough training and there are not enough patients here for me to see... So I have decided to transfer... I am very scared I won't match again if I just quit, so I will just try to transfer and if I can, then it's destiny; if I don't, then I will have to stay in this program and stick it out...

My question is, should I contact other programs without letting my PD know?? Have you known anyone who has done this??

Thanks so much!

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I imagine only the most reviled program would take you without an endorsement from your PD. The awkward thing us going to be explaining that you want to transfer because you think your program sucks.

If it's about procedure numbers the acgme accredits programs and has minimum numbers so I would think long and hard about bailing for that. If it's about patient exposure you can probably angle for some away rotations in areas you are weak in during elective months to expand on this without going through the enormous crap shoot you are about to pursue.
 
I think I recommended against this before. Is this GI? If it is, do an unaccredited 4th year to bolster your training. Try to stick it out.
 
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Hello all, I posted a few months back my situation on this forum... I am a new fellow in a competitive specialty but a non competitive program... I gave my program a chance but the reality is, I am not getting enough training and there are not enough patients here for me to see... So I have decided to transfer... I am very scared I won't match again if I just quit, so I will just try to transfer and if I can, then it's destiny; if I don't, then I will have to stay in this program and stick it out...

My question is, should I contact other programs without letting my PD know?? Have you known anyone who has done this??

Thanks so much!
Look man, here's the deal...you're in a crap program because that's the one you matched to. If your app was stronger, you would have matched to a "better" program (where you still might be miserable).

So you have 4 options here:
1. Suck it up, do the best work you are capable of, be first in line for every clinical/research opportunity, and make the most of the "bird in the hand" that you already have.
2. "Transfer". This isn't really practical and, at best, will result in you starting again as a first year fellow in the new program. This may be a good opportunity or may be another horror show for you. Devil you know and all that.
3. Quit and re-apply. If your fellowship is like most (and I'm not sure why you won't tell us what specialty...that would be a huge benefit in counseling you here), by Jun 30, 2017, your PD will have gotten 50-95% of the work s/he needed out of you, and will be more than happy to let an unhappy fellow go so s/he can add another first year scut monkey. The big question is, what are you going to do next year...and the year after that if you don't match again? You're already too late to pick up another fellowship for next year, so you need to have a plan for July 1. If you're going to ride out the 2nd year of your current fellowship, why not just complete it and move on?
4. F*** it and become a hospitalist/PCP.

That's pretty much it. Your move.
 
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Hello all, I posted a few months back my situation on this forum... I am a new fellow in a competitive specialty but a non competitive program... I gave my program a chance but the reality is, I am not getting enough training and there are not enough patients here for me to see... So I have decided to transfer... I am very scared I won't match again if I just quit, so I will just try to transfer and if I can, then it's destiny; if I don't, then I will have to stay in this program and stick it out...

My question is, should I contact other programs without letting my PD know?? Have you known anyone who has done this??

Thanks so much!
Transferring fellowship programs is practically impossible the way that most programs are structured. The first year is the most important in almost every IM subspecialty, with the bulk of the clinical work occurring then. No one is going to flat out take you as a second year, this is a much different scenario from a PGY2 resident joining a residency program.

My advice would be heavily specialty dependent.

If you're in Cardiology or GI, I'd just focus on doing the best I can, finishing out my fellowship, and considering doing a superfellowship to get more scope/cath/whatever experience over another year or two. You already weren't competitive enough to get a "good" spot, every single program meets minimum ACGME requirements for # of patients/procedures/whatever, and you should be more thankful that you matched than anything else.

Heme/onc or P/CC? I don't know. There's not really superfellowships like cards/GI (except some very specific thinks like interventional pulm) and these fields are almost equally competitive to the above. The same point about every program meeting minimum requirements stands. I'd still probably say just finish it out, though you can try to reapply. Note that you're going to lose at least 2 years doing that, since the match for next year was... today.

If you're in Endo, Rheum? You're a quarter of the way through your fellowship (barring research years), there's minimal procedures (thyroid ultrasounds/biopsies in the former, MSK ultrasounds/injections in the latter) that you can always pick up at any one of 1,000,001 conferences during the course of the year, and where you do your fellowship *really* won't matter for getting most non-academic jobs. I think it would be dumb to quit now. These fields aren't as competitive as the above ones, but still fill every year.

If you're in Nephrology, ID? There's more spots than applicants. Feel free to drop out and find a new fellowship, programs can't afford to be too choosey. I'm sure there will be scramble spots that will be public sometime in the next week. You might not find one any better than where you're at though, and the loss of 2 years stands.

If you're in Sleep, Geriatrics, Palliative Care? They're 1 year fellowships. Just finish the second half.

Edit:

Looking back through your prior couple posts, you describe a 3 year fellowship that does admissions. I assume it's pulmonary/critical care. In that case... It's probably the toughest spot to be in of any subspecialty. You'd still likely be best served just finishing it out, but I feel for you.
 
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