Tuition subsidization an investment to the state

[rtaylor]

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I am from California and am moving to attend ASDOH in July and I have been having these conversations with my girlfriend about state tuition subsidization and whether it is an actual investment to the tax payers. My take on it is that through friends currently attending UC dental schools and med schools is that there tuition is so cheap compared to their return from their salaries once they graduate that instead of providing access to the tax payers that helped pay their tuition they are able to pay for their luxuries.

As a californian who's interest is from paying taxes is that it appears these subsidizations don't lower the fees or increase the access to care to which these subsidizations suggest. I was also wondering how many people attend these schools and then actually stay in the state which payed for a large portion of their education.

As a Californian tax payer I would like people who receive such subsidization to commit atleast a year of service in a community clinic or to an access to care provider. If this is not the path people want to take then pay a higher tuition or apply for an academic scholarship or join some program that will lower their costs.

Just wanted to see what people thought

 

[nothen2do]

Sounds like someone's grumpy about getting rejected from ucsf/la

 

[rtaylor]

Sounds like someone's grumpy about getting rejected from ucsf/la

Actually the only california schools I applied to was Loma Linda and I got accepted.

But this is besides the point. Look at other states that largely support their dental schools and compare those with schools that are private. It is a question of investment.

 

[L8DYV]

I am from California and am moving to attend ASDOH in July and I have been having these conversations with my girlfriend about state tuition subsidization and whether it is an actual investment to the tax payers. My take on it is that through friends currently attending UC dental schools and med schools is that there tuition is so cheap compared to their return from their salaries once they graduate that instead of providing access to the tax payers that helped pay their tuition they are able to pay for their luxuries.

As a californian who's interest is from paying taxes is that it appears these subsidizations don't lower the fees or increase the access to care to which these subsidizations suggest. I was also wondering how many people attend these schools and then actually stay in the state which payed for a large portion of their education.

As a Californian tax payer I would like people who receive such subsidization to commit atleast a year of service in a community clinic or to an access to care provider. If this is not the path people want to take then pay a higher tuition or apply for an academic scholarship or join some program that will lower their costs.
Just wanted to see what people thought

Oh really???

 

[DIRTIE]

I am from California and am moving to attend ASDOH in July and I have been having these conversations with my girlfriend about state tuition subsidization and whether it is an actual investment to the tax payers. My take on it is that through friends currently attending UC dental schools and med schools is that there tuition is so cheap compared to their return from their salaries once they graduate that instead of providing access to the tax payers that helped pay their tuition they are able to pay for their luxuries.

As a californian who's interest is from paying taxes is that it appears these subsidizations don't lower the fees or increase the access to care to which these subsidizations suggest. I was also wondering how many people attend these schools and then actually stay in the state which payed for a large portion of their education.

As a Californian tax payer I would like people who receive such subsidization to commit atleast a year of service in a community clinic or to an access to care provider. If this is not the path people want to take then pay a higher tuition or apply for an academic scholarship or join some program that will lower their costs.

Just wanted to see what people thought

I think that most states are figuring this out and are increasing their tuition considerably. As far as to commit a year to service, what kind of crap are you full of.

 

[rtaylor]

I think that most states are figuring this out and are increasing their tuition considerably. As far as to commit a year to service, what kind of crap are you full of.

I figure if doctors always complain about fee reimbursements from insurance companies then doctors that are given any where from 30 to 100 thousand dollars in tuition savings and with interest savings, a year with moderate hours is a resonable suggestion considering NHSC provides a loan repayment of up to 50 thousand dollars for a two year contract plus an average of 40 thousand a year stipend. It still is a better deal then any other federal loan repayment program that I am aware of

 

[L8DYV]

Actually the only california schools I applied to was Loma Linda and I got accepted.

But this is besides the point. Look at other states that largely support their dental schools and compare those with schools that are private. It is a question of investment.

Dude, school (UCLA) is gonna cost like 50-60,000 a year. That isn't that discounted enough!!! come on now!!

 

[rtaylor]

Dude, school (UCLA) is gonna cost like 50-60,000 a year. That isn't that discounted enough!!! come on now!!

From what I calculated is that tuition is only 26000 a year. This is the portion that is subsidized. Books, living expenses, and other expenses fluctuate per student and isn't subsidized. A total tuition of 104,000 which is really nothing considering average debt from students else where. Most dentist and physicians that I spoke with where able to pay back a debt of 180,000 to 240,000 as early as 5 years and on average 10 years from begining working full time and they still were able to have a family, very nice homes, cars, and time to vacation.

 

[gator1210]

I think that most states are figuring this out and are increasing their tuition considerably. As far as to commit a year to service, what kind of crap are you full of.

Agreed, UF tuition has increase 2.5-3 grand every year for the last 3 years. Ever since the economy started to recover.

But so have private schools, but the percent increase is higher in public schools.

 

[food4thots]

My take on it is that through friends currently attending UC dental schools and med schools is that there tuition is so cheap compared to their return from their salaries once they graduate that instead of providing access to the tax payers that helped pay their tuition they are able to pay for their luxuries.

so you're saying that only people who go to private schools should be able to spend luxuriously?

As a Californian tax payer I would like people who receive such subsidization to commit atleast a year of service in a community clinic or to an access to care provider. If this is not the path people want to take then pay a higher tuition or apply for an academic scholarship or join some program that will lower their costs.

hahaha.. this is funny

 

[rtaylor]

No, people who go to private school should not be the only ones to spend luxuriously. The point is that the tax payers shouldn't give money to people to invest with and dental school is a form of investment. People have every right to make as much money as they want to and spend it how they want. The only thing is that tax payers should not have to support them. I don't want to pay for your education even if it was only a few dollars so that you can save so much money while you go to professional school. Face it if you have the least bit of buisness skills you will make enough money on your own, you will of earned your money and will be able to pay back a debt of 300000 with ease.

I also find it funny that people argue how they shouldn't give back or that being a provider to those that can't afford service is a joke especially when other people were forced to pay for the subsidization of state schools.

 

[groundhog]

I think that most states are figuring this out and are increasing their tuition considerably. As far as to commit a year to service, what kind of crap are you full of.

As you say, its old news. Basic concept is that the market indicates that there is plenty of room to increase tuition at state schools while hundreds of thousands of middle class taxpayers are forcecd to subsidize the education of dental students who end up near the top of the heap in total life time income. As for the year or so of service.....you just know that that is part of the mix going into the reasoning of state legislatures who are contemplating mandatory PGY as a requirement for licensure to practice dentistry.

 

[nothen2do]

The only thing is that tax payers should not have to support them. I don't want to pay for your education even if it was only a few dollars so that ...

With this logic, we shouldn't subsidize any form of education (remember that all UC's grad and undergrad, cal states and community colleges are subsidized). Oh ya, we should stop supporting public elementary and high schools since everyone who attends those schools are taking advantage of your tax dollars.

Aside from this argument, economically speaking, the more educated society is, the better off we are individually as every persons value is increased (I would get my old econ textbooks to explain, but too lazy).

 

[food4thots]

With this logic, we shouldn't subsidize any form of education (remember that all UC's grad and undergrad, cal states and community colleges are subsidized). Oh ya, we should stop supporting public elementary and high schools since everyone who attends those schools are taking advantage of your tax dollars.

agreed...

you beat me to it..