Tulane MD/MPH -- anyone doing it?

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I know there has been talk about this in the main thread, "Tulane Secondary Available" but I wanted to keep that thread for people still waiting to hear from Tulane.

Anyway, I got the MD/MPH packet last week. I know at the interview, they said 1/3 of the class does it. That's about 50 people in the class. They said it would increase opportunities for residency, but does it increase your chances of getting into your first choice residency? When they said increase opportunites for residency, I understood that as that the MPH would enable us to become more competitve for MORE areas in residency.

What discourages me from doing the program is that we have to give up an entire summer before medical school to take classes. I dont know about you guys, but I was planning a summer of fun and travel before entering. since I am going straight from college to medical school with year off like other 50% of the class.

Is anyone considering doing the MD/MPH and why woiuld you do it?
 
I am seriously considering getting the MPH in Tropical Medicine along with my MD degree. I am fascinated with tropical diseases and health issues, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to get a degree in the area. A lot of the emerging infectious diseases are originating in the tropics (Ebola, Bird Flu, etc. etc.). I feel that I could potentially work as a consultant on these issues. As far as losing the summer goes, there are two sessions, one in June and one in July. It is recommended that you do both, but if you want you can do just one. I plan on traveling to Europe in May/June, then taking the classes in July.
 
hey, thanks for your reply. very much appreciated and i hope to see you this august (or july)... =)

so since you are going for the MPH/MD, are you still planning to be more than just a physician?

basicaly, i am indecisive if i want to do it or not. i seriously need your or someone's advice..

i just want to be a normal doctor.. seeing patients and stuff.. im not interested in the business aspect of medicine or hospital adminstration of any sort... but at the same time, my interviewer told me that the MPH degree would give me a boost when i apply to residency... but for that, i only want to do a residency somewhere near nyc (where i live)... i don't really aspire going to a top residency program or anything....

and as for the sessions, since you doing just the july one, will you still get your MD/MPH degree in 4 years??
 
I didn't apply to and don't attend Tulane, but I have spoken with a number of MDs as well as one residency program director in a primary care field regarding the MD/MPH. The feedback I got (from infectious disease physicians at a major academic medical center) was that it is not necessary for residency/fellowship. It might improve your application a little bit, but overall the MD degree is pretty much enough. The PD I spoke to echoed the same sentiments.

Based on the information I received, I decided not to do the MPH. I decided to put the tiem that other people would spend in class into studying for class/boards (when the time comes) so that I could achieve some good pre-clinical grades. I am actually interested in doing the MPH, and will probably try to chose a residency program that will allow me to complete it concurrently, but I just decided that med school alone is enough for now.
 
socuteMD said:
I didn't apply to and don't attend Tulane, but I have spoken with a number of MDs as well as one residency program director in a primary care field regarding the MD/MPH. The feedback I got (from infectious disease physicians at a major academic medical center) was that it is not necessary for residency/fellowship. It might improve your application a little bit, but overall the MD degree is pretty much enough. The PD I spoke to echoed the same sentiments.

Based on the information I received, I decided not to do the MPH. I decided to put the tiem that other people would spend in class into studying for class/boards (when the time comes) so that I could achieve some good pre-clinical grades. I am actually interested in doing the MPH, and will probably try to chose a residency program that will allow me to complete it concurrently, but I just decided that med school alone is enough for now.

Thanks for replying. very helpful info.

what kind of doctors do MD/MPHs become?

do they usually aspire to becomie hopital adminstrators or something?
 
also, for those tualne acceptees that didnt know....

fin aid / fafas info is going out in february.
 
theunderdog said:
Thanks for replying. very helpful info.

what kind of doctors do MD/MPHs become?

do they usually aspire to becomie hopital adminstrators or something?

I'd say that most MD/MPH docs are involved in epidemiological studies, such as analyzing risk factors for cardiovascular disease, monitoring disease occurrences in specific populations, etc.
 
in the MD/MPH info packet, there is a letter that we have to mail to the medical school to forward our AMCAS / application file to the school of public health.

do we send to the address listed on the sheet in New Orleans.... or do we send to their temporary address in gretna, la??? anyone know?
 
I am currently acquiring my MPH and will be beginning medical school this year, possibly at Tulane. My choice to pursue the MPH degree was predicated on the belief that understanding macro-level interventions from health education campaigns to environmental health epidemiology will make me a better doctor.

I did not choose an MPH because I thought it would guarantee a better residency match, though I would love for it to help. I recommend the MPH degree very strongly especially if you are interested in preventitive, community based models of care.
 
halperinj said:
I am currently acquiring my MPH and will be beginning medical school this year, possibly at Tulane. My choice to pursue the MPH degree was predicated on the belief that understanding macro-level interventions from health education campaigns to environmental health epidemiology will make me a better doctor.

I did not choose an MPH because I thought it would guarantee a better residency match, though I would love for it to help. I recommend the MPH degree very strongly especially if you are interested in preventitive, community based models of care.

so you're doing it because you think the MPH education will help you become a more well-rounded physician?

you just want to be a regular normal doctor like me right? not like go into hospital adminstration or anything like that?
 
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I didn't apply to tulane, but I also want to get my mph at whatever school I end up at in order to be a well-rounded doc and in order to be able to potentially become more involved in community-based programs or research. But it's definitely not to go into hospital administration or to look good for residency. I just think understanding race/sexuality/epidimiology/etc. is important...I'd feel like half a doc without it.
 
theunderdog said:
so you're doing it because you think the MPH education will help you become a more well-rounded physician?

you just want to be a regular normal doctor like me right? not like go into hospital adminstration or anything like that?

That is correct, I hope to work in a community clinic providing primary care services with an emphasis on infectious disease. So just a plain old doc and not an administrator
 
I'd say I am pretty much in the same mindset as many of the other postings; An MPH is something that sounds interesting, but ulimately may not be in line with my career goals. One thing we all should consider is that due to Katrina and the horrific aftermath, the insuing public health issues makes NOLA a hotbed of public health innovation. In light of these conditions MPH option have given me alot to consider, besides going to NOLA early sounds pretty cool.

P.S. Is anyone from the class of 2010 going to be in NOLA in april, I am visiting the school and would like to maybe meet up with some classmates for a tour.
 
theunderdog said:
hey, thanks for your reply. very much appreciated and i hope to see you this august (or july)... =)

so since you are going for the MPH/MD, are you still planning to be more than just a physician?

basicaly, i am indecisive if i want to do it or not. i seriously need your or someone's advice..

i just want to be a normal doctor.. seeing patients and stuff.. im not interested in the business aspect of medicine or hospital adminstration of any sort... but at the same time, my interviewer told me that the MPH degree would give me a boost when i apply to residency... but for that, i only want to do a residency somewhere near nyc (where i live)... i don't really aspire going to a top residency program or anything....

and as for the sessions, since you doing just the july one, will you still get your MD/MPH degree in 4 years??

I am probably going to be a "normal" doctor, but I figure that I can do additional stuff as well (if I want to) if I get the MPH. If you are planning on working on medical studies, having an MPH is big plus (you would have a strong background in statistics/epidemiology, etc.)
 
KAI1927 said:
I'd say I am pretty much in the same mindset as many of the other postings; An MPH is something that sounds interesting, but ulimately may not be in line with my career goals. One thing we all should consider is that due to Katrina and the horrific aftermath, the insuing public health issues makes NOLA a hotbed of public health innovation. In light of these conditions MPH option have given me alot to consider, besides going to NOLA early sounds pretty cool.

P.S. Is anyone from the class of 2010 going to be in NOLA in april, I am visiting the school and would like to maybe meet up with some classmates for a tour.


Kai--
although i'm not sure that i'll be at tulane next fall, it is one of my top 2 choices (right now, its b/t tusom and my state school)... I plan on visiting sometime in april to make a final decision (based mainly on what the administration is saying about clinical facilities, rotations, etc-- right now, I've heard nothing...). PM me and let me know when you're going down there and we could maybe meet up.


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goose- you better be coming in the fall. you're the one that got me in. you know what i'm talking about.
-dr. mota

Goose-d said:
Kai--
although i'm not sure that i'll be at tulane next fall, it is one of my top 2 choices (right now, its b/t tusom and my state school)... I plan on visiting sometime in april to make a final decision (based mainly on what the administration is saying about clinical facilities, rotations, etc-- right now, I've heard nothing...). PM me and let me know when you're going down there and we could maybe meet up.


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I'm pretty sure this is a good sign:

new york times article on the need for medical professionals and increased hospital capacity in NOLA:




January 23, 2006
Patients Needing Care Overwhelm New Orleans's Hospital System

By FELICITY BARRINGER
NEW ORLEANS, Jan. 18 - The emergency rooms of this bedraggled region are facing their own emergency. As thousands of residents have begun returning in the weeks since New Year's, there are far more sick people than there are doctors, nurses, beds and equipment to take care of them.

The slow repopulation of the city picked up speed after the holidays as more schools reopened and, in the words of one emergency room doctor, the sicker people began to return. But only seven of what had been 15 adult acute-care facilities in the city and three surrounding parishes are open, and only one-third of the acute-care beds.

Hundreds or perhaps thousands of doctors and nurses never returned to New Orleans after the flood; long-term and psychiatric hospitals, not to mention hospices and rehabilitation centers, are now almost nonexistent in and around the city.

As a result, the returning residents have filled the functioning hospitals in and immediately around the city to capacity and beyond. Waiting times in emergency rooms have extended to as much as six hours, medical personnel at three hospitals reported.

Early one recent morning, doctors and nurses at East Jefferson General Hospital in Metairie, just outside of New Orleans, were already caring for five seriously ill or injured patients in the emergency room - because the hospital had no more beds to admit them to - while still managing a full load of incoming emergency patients near the entrance. Then two trauma victims from a car accident were brought in, followed by someone showing signs of appendicitis.

The staff had to "play musical chairs" with the accident victims and remaining patients to find everyone a bed and care for them, said Cheryl Carter, the nurse who directs emergency care.

"That's pretty much every day, pretty much every hospital," Ms. Carter said. "The waiting rooms look like a war center or a MASH unit. We look for more and more different ways to manage emergencies."

The city's sickest residents were among the first to leave New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina and should be the last to return, but that is not happening, said Dr. John Wales, chairman of the department of emergency medicine at East Jefferson, which for days has had more patients than it has beds. "I think they're coming back and the doctors who took care of them are not around," he said.

The Touro Infirmary is the only full-service hospital now functioning within the New Orleans city limits, and the lack of beds in the city has pushed patients to suburban hospitals like East Jefferson and filled them up. (Children's Hospital is also open in the city.) The situation is likely to get worse as flu season, which usually begins around late January here, hits its stride.

The thought of next month's Mardi Gras festivities has local doctors so worried they have formed a committee just to plan for care during the first large-scale, signature event in the distorted post-hurricane world. Dr. Jullette Saussy, who runs the 911 emergency medical service for the City of New Orleans, said that during Mardi Gras, the number of ambulance calls typically tripled, from an average of 120 a day to 360.

"There's a resource problem right now," said Dr. Peter DeBlieux, who heads the emergency department of Charity Hospital, a venerable institution for the city's poor, which no longer has a building and is operating out of Air Force tents in a far corner of the convention center. Patients with broken arms, he said, have at times been referred to Houma and Baton Rouge, cities that are, respectively, 50 and 80 miles away.

Five hospitals in the city, severely damaged by the storm, have been unable to reopen, including the Medical Center of Louisiana, the only Level 1 trauma center on the Gulf Coast, which is a combination of Charity and nearby University Hospital.

Some hospitals have opened neighborhood clinics or parking-lot tents for walk-in care, but some may never reopen, or may take up to a year to find the money to rebuild. The state wants to replace Charity, and its planned renovations to University Hospital could take several months or up to a year.

The city's rebuilding commission said in a report this week that if 65 percent of the region's prestorm population returns by July 1 - as many experts have predicted - the city will need to triple the number of hospital beds available, which would require hiring 2,550 medical staff members in less than six months and an "extraordinary expense" in housing them and paying them enough to return.

Cynthia Matherne, the designated regional coordinator for emergency management in an area that includes New Orleans and the parishes of Jefferson, St. Bernard and Plaquemines, said the problem of limited medical resources put pressure on emergency rooms from all directions.

"The problems we have are multiple," she said. Ordinarily, patients who have been stabilized after an emergency episode are gradually moved out to long-term acute care, rehabilitation or psychiatric facilities.

"But these have not reopened," Ms. Matherne said. "So all the psych patients end up being held in the E.R.'s. And when you're trying to discharge patients, there's no long-term care to discharge them to. There's no discharge to hospice care because there's none available." Home health aides are virtually nonexistent, she added.

"Hospitals are confronted with the question: How you are going to discharge these people?" Ms. Matherne said.

Dr. Saussy, of the New Orleans medical emergency response office, described a parallel problem among the ambulance units in the city. Because only Touro, with 273 beds, and Children's Hospital, with 125 beds, are open, city ambulances must often go to the three hospitals in nearby Jefferson Parish - East Jefferson General (444 beds), West Jefferson Medical Center (330 beds) and Ochsner Clinic Foundation (350 beds, expanding soon to 484).

"We have to wait hours to offload a patient," Dr. Saussy said. "That means we're not going to have that unit available to answer the next 911 call."

Ms. Matherne said the number of acute-care beds in the four parishes before the storm was 5,063, with an average of 4,083 filled each day. "Right now we're right at about 1,750 beds," she added.

Charity Hospital, once a magnet for some of the most severe medical emergencies - and for patients least likely to have insurance - is shuttered, leaving a jury-rigged emergency room under tents within the convention center. Dr. DeBlieux said 100 to 200 patients a day arrived with complaints ranging from major trauma or strokes to breaks and sprains.

Psychiatric patients are now being sent to emergency rooms unused to them. "We are overwhelmed with urban psychiatric patients we wouldn't have seen," said Dr. Joseph S. Guarisco, the chairman of emergency medicine at Ochsner.

Charity's lease at the convention center runs out in a few weeks, and the hospital is making plans to move its emergency room to another hospital building in Jefferson Parish.

In the early weeks after Hurricane Katrina, military medical units from the Army, Navy and Air Force set up temporary medical facilities around the city and helped with everything from diabetes to births to immunizations, but most of these units are gone.

For patients, a medical emergency usually means a long wait, unless it is life-threatening. Ben Cohen, who is 28 and lives in the Midcity neighborhood, started to have intense abdominal pain on Jan. 15 and spent four hours in the Touro emergency room before he was admitted. While there, he watched the single doctor on duty cope with a shooting victim and two trauma cases from a car accident.

"To their credit," Mr. Cohen said, "they did as good a job as they could have."

Dr. Wales at East Jefferson, like other emergency room directors, is trying to get more staff members to come back, particularly nurses and technicians and orderlies. "The issues include getting your existing staff a place to live," he said. "But they can't come back because there is no place. They won't come back without their families."

Dr. Wales added, "At many levels, the disaster continues to unfold."


Copyright 2006The New York Times Company
 
Yea or nay: Do we need new recommendations to apply MD/MPH?

Goose, great link.
 
TheMightyAngus said:
Yea or nay: Do we need new recommendations to apply MD/MPH?

Goose, great link.

nay. father don told me it is almost entirely paperwork and that the whole application process is rather arbitrary. it's basically: if you want it you get it. like taking candy from a baby. but more expensive.
-dr. mota
 
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DaMota said:
nay. father don told me it is almost entirely paperwork and that the whole application process is rather arbitrary. it's basically: if you want it you get it. like taking candy from a baby. but more expensive.
-dr. mota

Gotcha. We give them more money, they add three more letters to the end of our name.
 
Everyone who is going to Tulane next year, please join the Tulane Univeristy SOM, class of 2010 thread so that we can all get to know each other.

Also, thanks for the fin. aid update, glad to hear it's coming out in Feb! 😳
 
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