U. of Miami = D.O. unfriendly for rotations?!!

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I had an interest in doing a 4th year elective rotation in trauma or emergency medicine in the Miami area, and contacted Jackson Memorial Hospital to inquire about doing a rotation there.

In reponse to my email, I recieved the following response:

"Thank you for your interest in doing a rotation at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine Department of Surgery. Unfortunately I must inform you that we do not accept students from Osteopathic schools. I wish you success in all your future endeavors."

🙁

I don't understand this, because the AOA Mt. Sinai EM program in Miami does their trauma rotations there, and they have D.O. attendings in the ER.
 
OSUdoc08 said:
I had an interest in doing a 4th year elective rotation in trauma or emergency medicine in the Miami area, and contacted Jackson Memorial Hospital to inquire about doing a rotation there.

In reponse to my email, I recieved the following response:

"Thank you for your interest in doing a rotation at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine Department of Surgery. Unfortunately I must inform you that we do not accept students from Osteopathic schools. I wish you success in all your future endeavors."

🙁

I don't understand this, because the AOA Mt. Sinai EM program in Miami does their trauma rotations there, and they have D.O. attendings in the ER.


This confirms what I had suspected all along.

Which rotation was it you wanted to do? I know the response was from the department of surgery.

have you considered contacting the AOA attorneys about it? they have so far been quite successful gaining hospital rights for DOs elsewhere.
 
I guess Bascom Palmer (UM's Ophtho Dept) is out of the question for me!

OSU, can we do something about this? This kind of ignorance and idiotic rule really pisses me off! If you don't want me b/c there are no more slots, then fine. But to reply with nonsense like "we do not accept students from Osteopathic Schools" is ridiculous. Errrr....
 
DOCTORSAIB said:
I guess Bascom Palmer (UM's Ophtho Dept) is out of the question for me!

OSU, can we do something about this? This kind of ignorance and idiotic rule really pisses me off! If you don't want me b/c there are no more slots, then fine. But to reply with nonsense like "we do not accept students from Osteopathic Schools" is ridiculous. Errrr....


You may contact the AOA and take them to litigation, if you so choose. I can't imagine wanting to be in a mess like that though.
 
The ironic part about this situation is that UM Jackson head of orthopedic trauma is a DO from CCOM. One of the Neurosurgeons at Jackson is also a DO; so this basically makes no sense.
 
busthwt said:
The ironic part about this situation is that UM Jackson head of orthopedic trauma is a DO from CCOM. One of the Neurosurgeons at Jackson is also a DO; so this basically makes no sense.


This is the kind of situation that should get resolved with a simple phone call from the AOA attorneys. I would love to be able to call them myself but in this case I have no standing to sue. I wish Osudoc would call them and help our profession gain ground where discrimination still exists

In another court related issue, the AOA has scored a victory with the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC). The AOA received a discrimination complaint from a student last summer who was denied clinical rotation at UPMC because the hospital only considered requests from students enrolled at LCME-accredited medical schools. The AOA advocated on behalf of the student and the osteopathic profession. UPMC recently wrote a letter confirming that the university will now accept students from AOA-accredited colleges of osteopathic medicine for clinical rotations.
 
We have 4th year rotations in Jackson ER for a few students. It may just be that department. Its wierd how different departments handle each thing differently.
 
Man you guys are gone hoooo to sue everything.

If they have so many DO's working there, you may want to contact those DOs and ask them to contact the head of surgery to see what you can do.

Also you can take the AMA recommendations to accept DO students for rotation and write a well worded letter to them explaining this. You send a copy to AMA and AOA and request their assistance in resolving this.

Maybe then.. and only then.. will the DO profession get some respect from that department. NOT BY POUNDING AND YELLING and suggesting to sue everything. Give and take.. negotiate.
 
Does anyone know of any other schools (specifically in North carolina) that aren't DO friendly for rotations? I read on a different post that someone took usmle 1 just because it was required for a rotation. I dont know why that would be the case but is that true for any schools?
 
That would be fair... I would agree with any hospital requiring the USMLE for doing a rotation there. That will demonstrate that DO students are at the same level. YES the USMLE and not COMLEX, cause then its the exact comparison.. no excuses nothing.
 
medhacker said:
This is the kind of situation that should get resolved with a simple phone call from the AOA attorneys. I would love to be able to call them myself but in this case I have no standing to sue. I wish Osudoc would call them and help our profession gain ground where discrimination still exists
sue them? yeah that'll really get the DO students in their good graces. How do you think you'll feel as a DO student doing a rotation there knowing that everyone there knows the door was opened b/c you sued them? I'm not saying its right to deny the DO student, but i'm sure more diplomatic avenues should be pursued first.
 
OSUdoc08 said:
"Thank you for your interest in doing a rotation at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine Department of Surgery. Unfortunately I must inform you that we do not accept students from Osteopathic schools. I wish you success in all your future endeavors."
Maybe you should've gone to an MD school. :laugh: :laugh:
 
exmike said:
sue them? yeah that'll really get the DO students in their good graces. How do you think you'll feel as a DO student doing a rotation there knowing that everyone there knows the door was opened b/c you sued them? I'm not saying its right to deny the DO student, but i'm sure more diplomatic avenues should be pursued first.

I completely agree. Sueing them at this point is like punching someone in the face b/c they said "No" to one of your requests. I'd get in touch with someone in AOA and let them know what happened. Someone with more credentials (i.e. NOT Mr. Pre-step 1, second year medical student) contact the appropriate authority at UM. I bet this would be resolved fairly quickly.

The question is "Who's the go-to-guy at the AOA?" Anyone know?
 
exmike said:
sue them? yeah that'll really get the DO students in their good graces. How do you think you'll feel as a DO student doing a rotation there knowing that everyone there knows the door was opened b/c you sued them? I'm not saying its right to deny the DO student, but i'm sure more diplomatic avenues should be pursued first.


There is a reason why pursuing legal avenues has been the solution in the past. When you have an attorney represent you in a matter like this, she/he does not necessarily approach the other party in a confrontational manner to begin with. There is a reason why law schools teach attorneys negotiation and arbitration. If that fails then a more demanding approach is attempted.

I would not mind at all rotating at a site where I had to pursue legal counsel in order to be allowed to rotate. If everyone knows I am there because I sued then perhaps it will serve to bring about a group change of conscience about preconceived notions about other health professionals.

To assume, that gaining one's way into a rotation as a result of a legal action, will necessarily bring about friction with the hospital dept. staff is as much of an assumption as believing it will not cause any friction. Maybe it will maybe it will not.

I am not advocating going sue full throttle before attempting other avenues. I believe in diplomacy as much as others have suggested. Diplomacy is not an area where attorneys are excluded. In fact, attorneys are trained to seek amiable solutions foremost.

There would be nothing but honor in my mind if I had to rotate in such a place. Once allowed to rotate I would allow my academic/personal capabilities work on their graces. If nonetheless, that is not enough to gain their graces, I will be content I served to eliminate the discrimination on behalf of my future colleagues.

There is a reason why pursuing legal avenues has been the solution in the past.
 
DOCTORSAIB said:
I completely agree. Sueing them at this point is like punching someone in the face b/c they said "No" to one of your requests. I'd get in touch with someone in AOA and let them know what happened. Someone with more credentials (i.e. NOT Mr. Pre-step 1, second year medical student) contact the appropriate authority at UM. I bet this would be resolved fairly quickly.

The question is "Who's the go-to-guy at the AOA?" Anyone know?


And contact the AOA is what one should do. From my previous posts on this thread, it can be seen that my appeals to legal counsel were in reference to the AOA legal team. When you contact the AOA, it is their call how legal/confrontational the issue gets with the institution in question.

Don't get the idea that DO students should go and hire a personal attorney to defend them on this matter. One is better off contacting the AOA who should direct one to the next best step - whether that is using their attorneys or not will be their call. They have been doing this for many years. They have the experience and as I quoted before they have been quite successful.

I disagree we need to shy away and not do anything when faced with these situations. At the same time I disagree with an initial agressive approach of the situation. If contacting a few other people at Jackson M. does not resolve the matter, the best would be for OSudoc or anyone else experiencing such discrimination to get in touch with the AOA.
 
Please pursue this through all available channels; starting with contacting any DO attendings.
UM/Jackson is DO friendly; in addition to what has already been stated about DO attendings I know of DO fellows/residents in several specialties, i.e., internal medicine-cardiology and psychiatry.
UM/Mt. Sinai also.
This may just be this one department and hopefully with minimal follow through it will change its discriminatory policy.
 
Does the hospital have a medical-education/affairs office or department? One that does the coordinating of all visiting students in all the departments (and housing if they offer housing to students)?

Maybe you can try to schedule your surgery electives through them. The medical education office can't override department policy (if it is indeed policy) but who says the surgery department needs to know that you're a DO student 😉

Just ask if these dates are available, and what application do you need (usually $$, a simple application form, proof of immunization, statement of institutional malpractice coverage for you, etc). Usually the med ed. office will coordinate with the surgery department (available dates, who's the teaching attending surgeon, etc) - but the med ed. office will be the central repository and process all your paperwork, store them, etc.

Usually if it's the whole hospital/university policy to only let LCME-accredited students do visiting clerkship, then you might run into trouble. But since it is just a surgery department, you might get away with it.

If the hospital doesn't have a med. ed. office and each rotation is handle through the department themselves - well, good luck 🙂
 
medhacker said:
There would be nothing but honor in my mind if I had to rotate in such a place. Once allowed to rotate I would allow my academic/personal capabilities work on their graces. If nonetheless, that is not enough to gain their graces, I will be content I served to eliminate the discrimination on behalf of my future colleagues.

How would forcing them to let you rotate by threatening to sue make them end their discrimination? If anything, it would add to it.

Look, the bottom line is there are some places out there that don't allow DO students to rotate. Is it right? No, but that's just the way it is. Deal with it. Getting your panties is a bunch isn't going to help. If they have no intentions in accepting a DO, why should they let a DO student rotate through when they can give that slot to someone they might take? You already know they don't want you, why waste your time there?

Things will eventually change, but it will take time. Forcing yourself onto them isn't going to help. Again, we all know DOs belong in all aspects of medicine, stop wasting time and energy trying to defend/prove that we belong and start showing it at the bedside.
 
The attached resolution recently failed in the AMA MSS. Reasons cited included fear that fees would be raised for all students and that it was in bad taste to called attention to one hospital. The former being a weak argument IMHO.

The TMA chapter at my school hopes to present a similar resolution to the TMA MSS in the near future. Our hope is to gain support at the state level before revisiting the issue at within the AMA.

I would encourage everyone to not only express your concern to the AOA, but also to the AMA.
 

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dtn3t said:
How would forcing them to let you rotate by threatening to sue make them end their discrimination? If anything, it would add to it.

That is analogous to being a minority in America before the civil rights struggles and saying, what is seeking legal venue for resolution going to do? what good is that going to do? What good is asking the authorities to force discriminatory employers and schools to accept minorities going to do? History can answer that one for me.

The AOA legal team has been successful in a good number of cases involving osteopathic students and physicians. Had it not been for the corageous ones who grew a pair and asked the AOA for assistance, we would not be able to rotate/work in all those places where before just being a DO was a reason to keep you out.
 
I'm sure they'll reconsider when you tell them that you know Goljian
 
rockit said:
I'm sure they'll reconsider when you tell them that you know Goljian


True Osudoc true...

is he back in the bar today? 😉
 
tsdesai said:
Does anyone know of any other schools (specifically in North carolina) that aren't DO friendly for rotations? I read on a different post that someone took usmle 1 just because it was required for a rotation. I dont know why that would be the case but is that true for any schools?

Duke is one the most DO unfriendly institutions in the country. EM may be the only department that has DO residents.
 
FYI:

These ACGME programs have no obligation to let us rotate at their institutions. There are still several allopathic schools that do not allow DO students to rotate there.

If you want to be guaranteed the right to rotate among the MDs then go to a MD school.

I'm sick of DO students getting all sue-happy over these cases when MD students can't rotate at DO programs nor train there for residency.

Look at the reality of the situation before getting your panties in a bunch.

You want to talk about unfair? The AOA is the epitome of unfair.
 
DireWolf said:
FYI:

These ACGME programs have no obligation to let us rotate at their institutions. There are still several allopathic schools that do not allow DO students to rotate there.

If you want to be guaranteed the right to rotate among the MDs then go to a MD school.

I'm sick of DO students getting all sue-happy over these cases when MD students can't rotate at DO programs nor train there for residency.

Look at the reality of the situation before getting your panties in a bunch.

You want to talk about unfair? The AOA is the epitome of unfair.



I agree with DireWolf and I will be a D.O. Merge already!
 
medhacker said:
This confirms what I had suspected all along.

Which rotation was it you wanted to do? I know the response was from the department of surgery.

have you considered contacting the AOA attorneys about it? they have so far been quite successful gaining hospital rights for DOs elsewhere.

Trauma
 
busthwt said:
The ironic part about this situation is that UM Jackson head of orthopedic trauma is a DO from CCOM. One of the Neurosurgeons at Jackson is also a DO; so this basically makes no sense.

The attending in charge of student clerkships in the emergency department is also a D.O.
 
OSUdoc08 said:
I had an interest in doing a 4th year elective rotation in trauma or emergency medicine in the Miami area, and contacted Jackson Memorial Hospital to inquire about doing a rotation there.

In reponse to my email, I recieved the following response:

"Thank you for your interest in doing a rotation at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine Department of Surgery. Unfortunately I must inform you that we do not accept students from Osteopathic schools. I wish you success in all your future endeavors."

🙁

I don't understand this, because the AOA Mt. Sinai EM program in Miami does their trauma rotations there, and they have D.O. attendings in the ER.

Some one may have written this already I'm not going to read to find out. But you have to understand that there are policies and contracts in place between the hospitals and medical schools. The hosp has to provide adequate spots for the sister school, so if they fill it with a DO student, they may not be able to accomodate one of their own. How do you know that if you had been from and MD school they would have accepted you, they could have just typed it that way because that is where you are from. I'm so sick of people with this huge chip on their shoulder about being a DO student (not necessarily you OSU) but everyone in general 😡
 
Doc 2b, I'd be saying you were correct, but from OSU's post it seems they specifically said "Osteopathic schools." Not "outside schools", not "schools we have no contract with", nor even "we have no room in our rotation for next year". They specifically said "Osteopathic schools." If they had typed "minority student" there would be an uproar over discrimination. This should be different?

Personally, I would make a phone call to the head of trauma service and ask for clarification. I would also forward the letter/email to the AOA with an FYI. If after the phone call they still refused the rotation, I would look elsewhere.
 
taking the road less traveled by has made all the difference
 
rockit said:
taking the road less traveled by has made all the difference
I agree 🙂
 
rockit said:
taking the road less traveled by has made all the difference

I could not think of a more irrelevant statement to make in this thread.
 
ShyRem said:
Doc 2b, I'd be saying you were correct, but from OSU's post it seems they specifically said "Osteopathic schools." Not "outside schools", not "schools we have no contract with", nor even "we have no room in our rotation for next year". They specifically said "Osteopathic schools." If they had typed "minority student" there would be an uproar over discrimination. This should be different?

Personally, I would make a phone call to the head of trauma service and ask for clarification. I would also forward the letter/email to the AOA with an FYI. If after the phone call they still refused the rotation, I would look elsewhere.

This is not discrimination. Some schools require visiting students to attend LCME accredited schools. DO schools are not LCGME accredited. It has everything to do with accreditation and nothing to do with discrimination.
 
Students of international medical schools are not accepted for clinical externships. The UMSM has an established policy that we accept for fourth year electives on our clinical services only those students who are registered and are in good standing at LCME accredited medical schools. LCME medical schools are licensed and accredited medical schools in North America and Puerto Rico. Students from non-LCME schools are accepted for clinical experiences at UMSM/JMH as “OBSERVERS ONLY”. Observer only status means that the visiting student may not have any direct patient contact or be responsible for patient care. Students from international medical schools may observe on rounds, follow residents and attendings and may attend academic departmental conferences. NO GRADES, WRITTEN EVALUATIONS OR CERTIFICATES ATTESTING TO THE FACT THAT OBSERVER-ONLY STUDENTS HAVE ROTATED AT OUR TEACHING HOSPITALS WILL BE ISSUED.

http://www.mededu.miami.edu/visitingstudents/
 
Doc 2b said:
Some one may have written this already I'm not going to read to find out. But you have to understand that there are policies and contracts in place between the hospitals and medical schools. The hosp has to provide adequate spots for the sister school, so if they fill it with a DO student, they may not be able to accomodate one of their own. How do you know that if you had been from and MD school they would have accepted you, they could have just typed it that way because that is where you are from. I'm so sick of people with this huge chip on their shoulder about being a DO student (not necessarily you OSU) but everyone in general 😡

Their website specifically states that visiting students are filled after all of the U. of Miami students get their pick. Obviously this would not be a concern, since I was asking about visiting students.
 
DireWolf said:
I could not think of a more irrelevant statement to make in this thread.

it makes sense if you think about it
 
medhacker said:
True Osudoc true...

is he back in the bar today? 😉

medhacker, is that simon bolivar you got there? very cool! 👍
 
DireWolf said:
FYI:

These ACGME programs have no obligation to let us rotate at their institutions. There are still several allopathic schools that do not allow DO students to rotate there.

If you want to be guaranteed the right to rotate among the MDs then go to a MD school.

I'm sick of DO students getting all sue-happy over these cases when MD students can't rotate at DO programs nor train there for residency.

Look at the reality of the situation before getting your panties in a bunch.

You want to talk about unfair? The AOA is the epitome of unfair.
Great post 👍
 
Dr. Don said:
medhacker, is that simon bolivar you got there? very cool! 👍

yes it is Dr. Don, a pleasure 👍
 
DireWolf said:
You want to talk about unfair? The AOA is the epitome of unfair.

Can't argue with the truth...

IMHO, the biggest problem facing DO students today is not MD 'discrimination', but the AOA itself.
 
DireWolf said:
FYI:

These ACGME programs have no obligation to let us rotate at their institutions. There are still several allopathic schools that do not allow DO students to rotate there.

If you want to be guaranteed the right to rotate among the MDs then go to a MD school.


Osteopathic medical students cannot be punished just because AOA leadership is not intelligent.

If you care to read the State laws regarding physician practice rights, you will find that in most (if not every) state in the U.S. include the following --that D.O.s and M.D.s should be accorded equal professional rights and privileges. If one follows the spirit of the law, then U of Miami/Miller SOM is engaged in illegal practice and the solution to that is via legal means.

The solution to deal with criminals is not try to mediate or negotiate over a cup of tea or coffee.


"If you want to be guaranteed the right to rotate among the MDs then go to a MD school."

not necessarily, one does not need to be guaranteed the right to rotate at AN M.D. school, simply be given a fair chance to apply without serious bias of being osteopathic students.
 
osler said:
Osteopathic medical students cannot be punished just because AOA leadership is not intelligent.

If you care to read the State laws regarding physician practice rights, you will find that in most (if not every) state in the U.S. include the following --that D.O.s and M.D.s should be accorded equal professional rights and privileges. If one follows the spirit of the law, then U of Miami/Miller SOM is engaged in illegal practice and the solution to that is via legal means.

The solution to deal with criminals is not try to mediate or negotiate over a cup of tea or coffee.


"If you want to be guaranteed the right to rotate among the MDs then go to a MD school."

not necessarily, one does not need to be guaranteed the right to rotate at AN M.D. school, simply be given a fair chance to apply without serious bias of being osteopathic students.

You are incorrect. Read my post again - this an accreditation issue.

Also, just to point out a glaring flaw if your logic. If "D.O.s and M.D.s should be accorded equal professional rights and privileges", then AOA schools are breaking the law by not allowing MD students to rotate there.
 
osler said:
Osteopathic medical students cannot be punished just because AOA leadership is not intelligent.

If you care to read the State laws regarding physician practice rights, you will find that in most (if not every) state in the U.S. include the following --that D.O.s and M.D.s should be accorded equal professional rights and privileges. If one follows the spirit of the law, then U of Miami/Miller SOM is engaged in illegal practice and the solution to that is via legal means.

The solution to deal with criminals is not try to mediate or negotiate over a cup of tea or coffee.


"If you want to be guaranteed the right to rotate among the MDs then go to a MD school."

not necessarily, one does not need to be guaranteed the right to rotate at AN M.D. school, simply be given a fair chance to apply without serious bias of being osteopathic students.


Excellent post.

If MD students wish to rotate at our institutions, since the legal kyeword here is "equal professional" rights then once they comply with the necessary osteopathic professional competencies they should be allowed to rotate at our hospitals. I predict the numbers of MD students rotating at osteopathic institutions will be negative.
 
osler said:
Osteopathic medical students cannot be punished just because AOA leadership is not intelligent.

If you care to read the State laws regarding physician practice rights, you will find that in most (if not every) state in the U.S. include the following --that D.O.s and M.D.s should be accorded equal professional rights and privileges. If one follows the spirit of the law, then U of Miami/Miller SOM is engaged in illegal practice and the solution to that is via legal means.

The solution to deal with criminals is not try to mediate or negotiate over a cup of tea or coffee.


"If you want to be guaranteed the right to rotate among the MDs then go to a MD school."

not necessarily, one does not need to be guaranteed the right to rotate at AN M.D. school, simply be given a fair chance to apply without serious bias of being osteopathic students.
Legally DO=MD. You are missing the point that students aren't DO's or MD's. The educational systems are different from both perspectives so I don't think it should be too far fetched for schools to ban non-LCME schools.
 
IMHO, the biggest problem facing DO students today is not MD 'discrimination', but the AOA itself.[/QUOTE]


EXACTLY. Well said.
 
I do agree that you can't have it both ways. However, with the extra classes DO students take in OMM, it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect any MD student to have taken similar training to rotate at a DO rotation. As far as I know there are no classes MD students take that DO students don't, so that's no problem.

I would also be very much in favor of a combined match.
 
BrettBatchelor said:
Legally DO=MD. You are missing the point that students aren't DO's or MD's. The educational systems are different from both perspectives so I don't think it should be too far fetched for schools to ban non-LCME schools.


how different?

the only differences i have seen in my curriculum compare with my M.D. school buddies are that my school cut down on pathophysiology and other basic sciences and have OMT classes. In addition to that, there is exactly 1 month of OMM rotation in the clinical years. (which, i believe most M.D. students can choose a CAM rotation, PM and R to be exposed to OMT) or just learn on their spare time. some D.O. schools (at least a few years back) don't even require an OMM rotation. (new AOA rules might have changed this)

The systems function the same way. The LCME/ACGME/AMAs are just bigger and more organized at every level.

Wake up and smell the coffee. it's ridiculous you dwell on the ostepathic students are not D.O.s and LCME students are not MDs... virtually anyone with the desire and will to finish will eventually be MDs, DOs...etc
osteopathic students can join AMA, ACP, AAFP...and a host of "Medical" associations...
 
osler said:
how different?

the only differences i have seen in my curriculum compare with my M.D. school buddies are that my school cut down on pathophysiology and other basic sciences and have OMT classes. In addition to that, there is exactly 1 month of OMM rotation in the clinical years. (which, i believe most M.D. students can choose a CAM rotation, PM and R to be exposed to OMT) or just learn on their spare time. some D.O. schools (at least a few years back) don't even require an OMM rotation. (new AOA rules might have changed this)

The systems function the same way. The LCME/ACGME/AMAs are just bigger and more organized at every level.

Wake up and smell the coffee. it's ridiculous you dwell on the ostepathic students are not D.O.s and LCME students are not MDs... virtually anyone with the desire and will to finish will eventually be MDs, DOs...etc
osteopathic students can join AMA, ACP, AAFP...and a host of "Medical" associations...
You can't have it both ways! The separate but equal attitude is awful.

A) Minimize OMM and Philosophical differences to more closely mirror MD schools if you want equal treatment from them

B) Maximize OMM and Philosophical differences so you can justify why MD's can't go into DO residencies and hence MD's can justify denial of rotations.

This current middle ground makes it such that some schools could justify not letting DO's rotate etc.
 
BrettBatchelor said:
You can't have it both ways! The separate but equal attitude is awful.

A) Minimize OMM and Philosophical differences to more closely mirror MD schools if you want equal treatment from them

B) Maximize OMM and Philosophical differences so you can justify why MD's can't go into DO residencies and hence MD's can justify denial of rotations.

This current middle ground makes it such that some schools could justify not letting DO's rotate etc.

BrettBachelor

Why do you think the AOA has won hospital rights for students in every case it has taken to court and no MD institution has gained the same rights in an osteopathic institution?

I will give you my best educated guess...MD students are not interested in rotating in osteopathic institutions. Therefore, it follows that the act of denying an osteopathic student the right to rotate at an MD institution could very well be seen as discrimination by a body of justice (court, etc)

The fact that DO students can rotate at many (if not most) MD schools did not come about without effort. It did not come about (in most cases) either as a result of the gratitude of the AMA, or a given allopathic medical institution. It was obtained after arduous legal/political struggles fought by osteopathic medical bodies who were interested in having access to these allopathic places...so why is it that no allopathic institution is challenging the AOAs current position [rotations for DOs only] at "osteopathic" institutions? again my best guess, they are just not interested. To end let me say that I am confident if an allopathic institution was to challenge their right to rotate at a DO school, they would lose - and I do not mean it in a superiority complex kind of way. I think the legal arguments would be in favor of osteopathic institutions before the courts as they have been so far and in my opinion would continue to be.
 
medhacker said:
BrettBachelor

Why do you think the AOA has won hospital rights for students in every case it has taken to court and no MD institution has gained the same rights in an osteopathic institution?

I will give you my best educated guess...MD students are not interested in rotating in osteopathic institutions. Therefore, it follows that the act of denying an osteopathic student the right to rotate at an MD institution could very well be seen as discrimination by a body of justice (court, etc)

The fact that DO students can rotate at many (if not most) MD schools did not come about without effort. It did not come about (in most cases) either as a result of the gratitude of the AMA, or a given allopathic medical institution. It was obtained after arduous legal/political struggles fought by osteopathic medical bodies who were interested in having access to these allopathic places...so why is it that no allopathic institution is challenging the AOAs current position [rotations for DOs only] at "osteopathic" institutions? again my best guess, they are just not interested. To end let me say that I am confident if an allopathic institution was to challenge their right to rotate at a DO school, they would lose - and I do not mean it in a superiority complex kind of way. I think the legal arguments would be in favor of osteopathic institutions before the courts as they have been so far and in my opinion would continue to be.
Allopathic student challenge a DO school?
 
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