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U Wash or Yale?

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by rapidprotocol, Apr 18, 2007.

  1. rapidprotocol

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    I am very grateful to be in this position, but I don't want to just flip a coin and randomly decide.

    University of Washington (Seattle) is slightly stronger in both research and clinical opportunities, but Yale seems to be more well-known. Does prestige really matter that much more, for residency and beyond (assuming all else held equal)?

    Students seem happy at both places, and I think I can make myself happy just about anywhere. I am thinking more in terms of future career.

    Appreciate any feedback. Good luck to everyone in similar situations!
     
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  3. Dookter

    Dookter Senior Member

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    You're focusing on the wrong things. There is really no reason to go to one school over the other when it comes to your future career. I would look at two main points: curriculum and cost. After that I'd think about where you want to live, etc.
     
  4. DumbartonBridge

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    UW is an outstanding medical school and you will not be limited in future opportunities if you do well there. If you do well clinically as a medical student, depending on what field you apply in, you will get a lot of interviews coming out of either place and then the rest is up to you.

    Both places will have great research opportunities and solid clinical exposure in terms of what is relevant for a medical student. Like the above post mentioned - which preclinical curriculum do you prefer and how will it affect you financially? Doing well at either place will give you plenty of opportunities...
     
  5. Mr. Tee

    Mr. Tee Indentured servant

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    Who says? US News?
     
  6. TexPre-Med

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    Pick Yale. I heard they don't take tests.

    Might want to verify that first though.
     
  7. baylormed

    baylormed On the Search

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    It's also been confirmed on SDN that Yale's anatomy lab does not stink. To me that's a big plus, because I have a feeling that I'm going to spend my first year smelling of formaldehyde.
     
  8. Doctor~Detroit

    Doctor~Detroit this poll sux!!!

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    you really can't go wrong with harvard.
     
  9. mentirosa

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    I decree that rapidprotocol be cut in half, and each half be a part time student at U Wash and Yale. That is all.
     
  10. baylormed

    baylormed On the Search

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    Huh?
     
  11. Mr. Tee

    Mr. Tee Indentured servant

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    They do take tests, it's just that they're anonymous and won't count toward your grades - because there aren't grades! The tests are for your own "self-assessment."
     
  12. Mr. Tee

    Mr. Tee Indentured servant

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    It's formalin

    The hoods in the Yale labs suck the air downward to the ground, instead of upward to the ceiling. This way, the air won't pass your nose.
     
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    Is supermodel an option? I'm assuming UW is in-state which is essentially FREE when compared to Yale (fin aid not withstanding). Plus UW has a great reputation.
     
  14. Mr. Tee

    Mr. Tee Indentured servant

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    Seattle vs. New Haven....

    Seattle is a cool city, with lots of bustle and things to do. Also if you like the outdoors, this is it. New Haven is...well....lol. But you can drive around New England very easily.

    Do you want your classmates to be primary care physicians serving the Northwestern states or specialists scattered throughout the country? Something to consider...
     
  15. rapidprotocol

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    thanks for all the advice. How should I respond---

    ok, I will consider being cut in half, spending time at both Uwash and Yale, the recombine to become an uberdoktor.

    Yes, I cannot go wrong with Harvard, what was I thinking?

    Why can't I just go with US News? For research: UW is #6 and Yale is #8, for primary care: UW is #1, Yale is not top 10. I have no independent thinking skill and best depend on the ever objective US New ranking.

    But seriously, from everyone's response it seems that both places have great reputation and will get me pretty much anywhere.

    I guess UW v. Yale boils down to urban northwest vs. rural new england, test vs no test, and primary care physician vs specialists.
     
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    Just my two cents, but there are tons of people from UW that are specialists. I think that in this years match, more than half of the graduates are going into some form of specialized care. I don't feel that primary care is pushed on us at all, it's just that that department is really great
     
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    2. Yale________________
    First Year Student Budget: $55,225 (+400 for extended study = $55,625) Score: 0.5
    Financial Aid/etc…: % students receiving aid = 100% (28.5% from university endowment), Max amt of aid available (or average*) = $17,000 (low interest) base loan directly from university endowment with max Stafford loan of $38,500 (I think this figure is a standard for all medical schools), several scholarships, Average Student Debt: $98,518, Average amount per scholarship/grant: $20,689 Score: 5.75
    Curriculum/etc…: Basic Science Core Curriculum…traditional lecture, supplemented with the “Art of Medicine” portion of the curriculum: small-group building sessions, meetings with clinical tutors, problem-based workshops (PBL), small-group seminars, labs, computer-based activities, “Edge of Science” Research @ Yale seminar series (journal clubs and graduate courses…meant to aid in preparation for thesis), mandatory thesis, over 50% classes in small group lecture format, no organized early patient contact as of 2006…Clinical Skills Program being developed, “The Yale System”…awesome…no grades or class rank during first two years, 5 interval grading system (ABCDF or equivalent) for most electives, minor electives are Pass/Fail, attendance not taken (obviously only applies to first two years, evaluation based on seminar group participation, optional and anonymous exams, anonymous (but coded) end class exams, encouragement to advance at own pace…. “that is awesome”, Half-Day Wednesday’s, Required Clerkships: Medicine (8 weeks), Primary Care (4 weeks), Pediatrics (8 weeks), Ambulatory Medicine (4 weeks), Clinical Neuroscience (4 weeks), Psychiatry (6 Weeks), Ob/Gyn (6 weeks), Thesis/Elective (4 weeks), General Surgery (6 weeks), Integrative Clinical Medicine (3 weeks), Anesthesiology (2 weeks), tuition free fifth year option for extended research on topic, national and international clinical electives, Score: 13.25 ( b/c they are developing a Clinical Skills Program…but they should have had this already),
    #Affiliated Hospitals/Facilities: 14 according to viewbook, 5 major affiliations according to facilities page + a few research laboratories (primary lab: John B. Pierce Laboratory) Score: 9
    Selection Factors: Non-Rolling admission (keep in mind this is referring to acceptance offers and not interview offers), Avg. GPA: 3.73, Overall Median GPA: 3.83, Science Median GPA: 3.85, Avg. MCAT: 33.9, Median MCAT: 34Q (Ranges – V: 7 – 15, P: 8 – 15, B: 9 – 15, writing: L – T) no state preference, Total apps: 4,450 for 809 interview spots Score: 3
    Diversity: %Minority: 51%, %URM acceptance: 23% URM (although these are figures from 2003 this does suggest a significant commitment) Score: 15++++++++++++++++++
    Dual Degree Options: MD/MBA, MD/MPH, MD/ MDiv, MD/PhD Score: 6.25
    Student Support: Strong Multicultural affairs office (provide many contacts and outlets), Student Helping Students Program (tutoring…teaching you “how to study”), a few libraries immediately accessible to students, computing facilities (but none specifically geared towards developing clinical skills…at least none were mentioned on the website or in AMCAS) Score: 4.75
    Housing: One on campus housing complex for Yale Health Center student (seems nice), several other on campus options, and several affiliated off-campus apartments Score: 6
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    Class Size: 100, @ least 12% interviewees accepted Score: 2
    Residency Match List: 30.2% entering primary care, so 69.8% entering specialties….93% received one of their first three choices, 73% received their first choice
    Volunteer/Research Opportunities: Total NIH funding: $298,311,773 million (ranks 8th), Total NIH supported research funding: $273,953,651. Receives well over $400 million in total research funding thesis requirement part of degree requirements since 1839, several bio-tech companies located in and around New Haven, the point this is a research haven….Volunteering: Committee Overseeing Volunteer Services (acts as a resource for finding volunteer activities), several overall volunteering opps., not as diverse since located in a smaller city Score: 10.5
    Miscellaneous: no ties to this university, easy to browse website, average age: 23, very informative, very prestigious school Score: 3

    Total Score: NO FULL SCORE ASSIGNED UNTIL ALL SCHOOLS COMPLETED…HELPS PREVENT ANY POSSIBLE INLETS FOR BIAS
     
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    I still have alot of updating to do...this is just what I have so far
     
  20. uclaRM

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    So UW and Yale are both really great choices. I don't think the anatomy lab not smelling is that great of a deal as most of the top tier schools have that now. In regard to UW clinical, the primary care training seems amazing but probably not worlds better ... it'll probably be what you make of it. Yale is only unranked for the first two years... then there are grades and everything.
     
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    So UW and Yale are both really great choices. I don't think the anatomy lab not smelling is that great of a deal as most of the top tier schools have that now. In regard to UW clinical, the primary care training seems amazing, especially if you have interest in ENT or ortho ... for a med student it'll probably be what you make of it. Yale is only no grades for the first two years... then there are grades and everything.
     
  22. paki20

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    i wouldn't really call new haven rural but new haven itself does suck....BUT the best thing about it is that its about 45 min-1 hour from NY and a little over 2 hours from Boston, which is not bad at all...if you ever want to go out on the weekend you'll have A LOT of options
     
  23. Zippership

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    There seems to be a little bit of a coastal bias in terms of where graduates from both of these schools go for residency. Do you want to do residency on the east coast or west? If your family is on one coast or the other, do you want to be nearer to them? How do you feel about New Haven cold weather versus Seattle cloudy weather (sorry - neither one is particularly cheery in that aspect)? I'm not sure that either school has a significantly different reputation among the medical community, so I think factors like location might factor much more into your decision.
     
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    u would get great oppurtunities and medical education in both..I would look into finances and location..location is a factor often overlooked..if finances are not an issue think about where u are more comfy. Small town (new haven) or big city (seattle)
     
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    I know UW is ranked very well by US News, but, seriously, better than Yale???? I have a hard time believing that two people applying to residency with identical credentials, personalities, LORs, except one is from Yale and one is from U Wash, would be viewed the same by residency directors, but who knows maybe I am wrong.

    I am from Washington and I interviewed at UW and found it to be an impressive school, but not really top 10 material (albeit I've never interviewed at any of the ivies, so maybe I am givinig them too much credit). If you are a WA resident and cost is an issue, or you want to stay close to home, or you went to undergrad on the east coast and want to head back west for a while, then I would completely understand wanting to go to UW. Otherwise I can't imagine passing up an opportunity to go to Yale.

    Also, bear in mind UW has 38 hours of scheduled class time per week for the first two years, while Yale has anonymous exams... think about the how that will affect your lifestyle. Good luck deciding!
     
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    Both schools are fantastic, and I feel lucky to be in this position.

    I too have a hard time believing that UW is ranked higher than Yale on US News. Well, finance is not great in any case, and location, as someone said, is not particular cheery in either places.

    Now if the coast concept is true, then a Yale grad getting an elite west coast residency EQUALS a UW grad getting an elite east coast residency? Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that Yale people can go anywhere, whereas UW people are localized on the westcoast? (not trying to offend anyone, just speculating).

    The class room time is a tempting consideration. Spending compulsory 40 hours in lecture vs. freedome to do whatever?
     
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    I have talked with lots of this years fourth years, and they had no problem landing great east coast (or west coast) residencies. At first I figured that it wouldn't matter that we were from UW, but they definately said that it played a major part in them getting into awesome residencies on both coasts. I don't know the percentage of people who are staying on the west coast, but I know that quite a few people are going east, in competitive residencies, including surgery, derm, ortho, and anesthesiology. Just what I know from the current 4th years.
    As for class time, there are a lot of hours scheduled for class. But you are not required to attend. Many of my classmates choose to study on there own. And most people have extra time to do whatever. I think that in medical school, you make what you want out of it. You can study like crazy at either school, and have little social time. Or have a more laid back approach. It just depends on the person.
     
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    I'm asking this because I have no idea how Yale's system works. But, if they have anonymous exams, what determines if students pass or fail? What guarantees that they learn the material? Or is that determined when they take the boards?
     
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    I think this has more to do with west-coasters staying on the west coast because of quality of life issues.
     
  30. Mr. Tee

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    Everyone passes. Nothing guarantees that the students learn the material. But it is a self-selecting group: the students push themselves to learn the material.
     
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    Why would you ever want to live anywhere but the West Coast? :cool:


    (Says the West --> East transplant. I miss the Pacific :( )
     
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    Exactly my point. I'm also a west coast transplant. I'm putting in four more years out here and then I'm moving back out west. Yeeeha!
     

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