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For those interested, this should be applicable at UCSF and UCLA (to some degree):
I pulled the text below from the MD forum. Don't look at the overall cost of the first year....dental school is more expensive than medical school. But the tuition is comparable. Currently on UCSF's website, first year tuition is listing at $15,484. But it looks like it may go up to approx $21 - 22K (because of the CA budget crisis). I was on the UCSF campus a few weeks ago and the school paper said that the current proposal was to raise tuition 40%. The Dean did respond by saying that he was trying to lower that percentage.

Here's the cut/paste from the MD forum:
For those interested, the financial aid office at UCSF will be posting on the internet very soon the (projected?) tuition/fees for the upcoming year. I am not sure where they obtained the numbers because I didn't think the information would be known until much later but he sounded confident about the numbers. Anyway, he told me fees (which is tuition) will be $21,610 for a California resident, so the total cost for everything will be $41,650 for 1st year students. Obviously this is at UCSF so I'm sure it varies to some degree between the UC's. From last year, that's a 35% jump I believe.
 
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actually you need to blame arnold for repealing the car tax and substituting it with an increase in tuition for the UCs.
 

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Actually, you'll need to blame Gray Davis for destroying California's economy. If it wasn't for Davis, Arnold wouldn't have to raise tuition fees. It's basically raise tution fees, or become part of Mexico. You choose.
 

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Originally posted by RaiderNation
Actually, you'll need to blame Gray Davis for destroying California's economy. If it wasn't for Davis, Arnold wouldn't have to raise tuition fees. It's basically raise tution fees, or become part of Mexico. You choose.
But you guys are already part of Mexico:smuggrin:

Sucks to be us too. They keep jacking up the tuition and fees here in Massachusetts. I think it went up like 33% maybe even more over the last 2 yrs.:(
 

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Do you guys really think that California tax payers, who already suffer inadequate public services like police and firepeople, terrible education, and power/water shortages deserve to subsidize education for people (dentists only) that will be far wealthier than most taxpayers?
 

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Originally posted by marshall
Do you guys really think that California tax payers, who already suffer inadequate public services like police and firepeople, terrible education, and power/water shortages deserve to subsidize education for people (dentists only) that will be far wealthier than most taxpayers?
California has traditionally subsidized tuition/fees for higher education for California residents. I have always believed that this was because higher education was valued by the state and its residents. You can twist the "subsidy" or inadequacies of California any way you want, but to answer your question, I do believe that UC tuition/fees for graduate students (and all students) should continue to stay relatively low.
 

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Alright, I think it is enough talking about who sucks.
How about some action?
This is one of the ways proposed from my great chancellor when I was in UCSD or the current UC President:
http://alumni.ucsd.edu/features/04_message01.htm

Please take your time to read or if not go to this page directly:
http://www.ucforcalifornia.org/campaign/sandiegoaction
and send our governor this messenge and anything else that you want to share with him.
Let's get your voice heard! Rather than just in this forum, ya?

For all californians, if you want to keep tuition low while maintaining high quality education, please help us.

Thank you
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Originally posted by marshall
Do you guys really think that California tax payers, who already suffer inadequate public services like police and firepeople, terrible education, and power/water shortages deserve to subsidize education for people (dentists only) that will be far wealthier than most taxpayers?
Since when does CA have terrible education? I think CA has one of the best public education systems, if not the best, in the US. The last few years education has taken a hit (thanks to Gray Davis and damn Democrats) because of the budget crisis. Education consisted of over half of California's budget...ergo, Educational funding was bound to be cut by the government. In other words, until Arnold gets us out of this Democat created hell, Education will suffer and fall because of a lack of funding.
 

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I agree with showmeda$ that california has one of the best education system in the u.s. I feel that the education I had received was just as good as the ones from those big name private schools.
 
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Originally posted by Shomeda$
Since when does CA have terrible education? I think CA has one of the best public education systems, if not the best, in the US. The last few years education has taken a hit (thanks to Gray Davis and damn Democrats) because of the budget crisis. Education consisted of over half of California's budget...ergo, Educational funding was bound to be cut by the government. In other words, until Arnold gets us out of this Democat created hell, Education will suffer and fall because of a lack of funding.

sure buddy, for the past century Republican presidents like Ronald Reagon and Bush Sr. & Jr. have run our country into outrageous deficits while Democrats like Clinton have given us amazing budget surplus' and a booming economy. Republicans like Bush and the Governator Arnold have consistenly cut programs for the poor and given to the rich. The UC system is subsidized for those who cannot afford outrageous tuitions. If you think it is fair that students in graduate and undergraduate UC schools should pay and not those who own expensive cars, then I must say your an idiot.

P.S. Contrary to what you believe, I dont think Gray Davis wanted the California economy to fail and I dont think he could have done anything different, but hey an actor with no government experience should be able to do it!
 

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Originally posted by rcmonkeypie
I agree with showmeda$ that california has one of the best education system in the u.s. I feel that the education I had received was just as good as the ones from those big name private schools.
I'm not an expert. I'm just telling you what I read in the news. I went to public school in California and got into an Ivy League undergrad. So I'm not complainings... most of my friends went to UC Berkeley, Stanford, Harvard, etc and we were all public schoolers. But if you look around, everyone says that CA and TX has crappy public education.
 

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Originally posted by AbuABuAbu
sure buddy, for the past century Republican presidents like Ronald Reagon and Bush Sr. & Jr. have run our country into outrageous deficits while Democrats like Clinton have given us amazing budget surplus' and a booming economy. Republicans like Bush and the Governator Arnold have consistenly cut programs for the poor and given to the rich. The UC system is subsidized for those who cannot afford outrageous tuitions. If you think it is fair that students in graduate and undergraduate UC schools should pay and not those who own expensive cars, then I must say your an idiot.

P.S. Contrary to what you believe, I dont think Gray Davis wanted the California economy to fail and I dont think he could have done anything different, but hey an actor with no government experience should be able to do it!
Who the hell said Davis wanted the economy to fail. Fact is, CA's economy was destroyed by the Dems. You can't deny it. True Republicans generally have larger budgets because they support military and government. Democrats are always looking to undermine government policies anbd have rarely ever supported military. It's easy to save money when you don't support America. Also, I could be mistaken, but the tuition increase is for grad school, not undergrad. I never said people who are in the upper tax bracket shouldn't pay taxes too, so you are the idiot Aladdin. Also, Arnold has surrounded himself with VERY experienced people (Republicans as well as Democrats) to help straighten CA out. So Abu, before you want to talk about CA politics, please have some substance behind your useless opinions. Now get back on your magic carpet and go blow yourself up.
 

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Thank you everyone for turning this into a political thread. Your comments have been enlightening.
 

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The funniest thing about political thread is that people who are chatting are not doing anything to help the situation. They just blame the other people or throwing fingers. Would anybody give some sort of solution to our current budget problem?
 

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AbuABuAbu said:
sure buddy, for the past century Republican presidents like Ronald Reagon and Bush Sr. & Jr. have run our country into outrageous deficits while Democrats like Clinton have given us amazing budget surplus' and a booming economy. Republicans like Bush and the Governator Arnold have consistenly cut programs for the poor and given to the rich. The UC system is subsidized for those who cannot afford outrageous tuitions. If you think it is fair that students in graduate and undergraduate UC schools should pay and not those who own expensive cars, then I must say your an idiot.

P.S. Contrary to what you believe, I dont think Gray Davis wanted the California economy to fail and I dont think he could have done anything different, but hey an actor with no government experience should be able to do it!

Ditto :thumbup:
 

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Thanks, fantasia. this is a great find =)

well, fee increase about 5k. it is a little bit over 30% increase. 6k increase overall. Ouch. I hope there are lenders for us.
 

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you're misinformed if you think that a president or presidents are responsible for the economic cycles. whether clinton was president or not, the internet boom would have created the "surplus" which was actually created by a bubble that beyond all logic should not have occured. anyways, most economists say the recession had already started before clinton left office. i dont give clinton credit for the surplus, nor do i blame him for allowing the recession to start while he was in office.

the economy operates in cycles. do you really think it's possible for the economy to be in a boom EVERY SINGLE year? i think not.



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sure buddy, for the past century Republican presidents like Ronald Reagon and Bush Sr. & Jr. have run our country into outrageous deficits while Democrats like Clinton have given us amazing budget surplus' and a booming economy. Republicans like Bush and the Governator Arnold have consistenly cut programs for the poor and given to the rich. The UC system is subsidized for those who cannot afford outrageous tuitions. If you think it is fair that students in graduate and undergraduate UC schools should pay and not those who own expensive cars, then I must say your an idiot.

P.S. Contrary to what you believe, I dont think Gray Davis wanted the California economy to fail and I dont think he could have done anything different, but hey an actor with no government experience should be able to do it!
 

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uhh last time I checked the president is responsible for the economic policy of the United States. I agree, economies have cycles, Up with democrats and down with republicans! lol.
 

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AbuABuAbu said:
sure buddy, for the past century Republican presidents like Ronald Reagon and Bush Sr. & Jr. have run our country into outrageous deficits while Democrats like Clinton have given us amazing budget surplus' and a booming economy. Republicans like Bush and the Governator Arnold have consistenly cut programs for the poor and given to the rich. The UC system is subsidized for those who cannot afford outrageous tuitions. If you think it is fair that students in graduate and undergraduate UC schools should pay and not those who own expensive cars, then I must say your an idiot.

P.S. Contrary to what you believe, I dont think Gray Davis wanted the California economy to fail and I dont think he could have done anything different, but hey an actor with no government experience should be able to do it!


Clinton gave us amazing budget surplus'???? C'mon, you didn't just type that! This is the same pansy who didn't have the cajones to take on Saddam or Bin Laden. And that crap about Gray Davis is exactly that...crap. He sure as hell could have done something about it. He's the one who put us in this place. Before he became governor we had a nice stash of dinero. After he took office, that was squandered away, and he continued to put us in debt. What blows me away is that he was the friggin state controller before he became governor! Anyways, it's all about special intereest groups. He wanted their money so he did what they said. And the UC system is not subsidized compared to the CSU system. And I'll tell you why, cuz you probably couldn't figure it out yourself. Take UCR. They produce premeds like they were going out of style. Not exactly cheap to go there. Then take CSU San Bernardino.....or any CSU for that matter. They cost about $900 a quarter after tuition and fees. Much cheaper than UC, but they don't push the money making careers. CSU San Bernardino is a big teacher producer. Is a teacher gonna be able to pay back outrageous loans on a teacher's salary? Sure, teachers make more money in Cali than anywhere else, but they also live in Cali.....catch my drift? DEATH TO THE DEMOCRATS!
 

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Clinton gave us amazing budget surplus'???? C'mon, you didn't just type that! This is the same pansy who didn't have the cajones to take on Saddam or Bin Laden. And that crap about Gray Davis is exactly that...crap. He sure as hell could have done something about it. He's the one who put us in this place. Before he became governor we had a nice stash of dinero. After he took office, that was squandered away, and he continued to put us in debt. What blows me away is that he was the friggin state controller before he became governor! Anyways, it's all about special intereest groups. He wanted their money so he did what they said. And the UC system is not subsidized compared to the CSU system. And I'll tell you why, cuz you probably couldn't figure it out yourself. Take UCR. They produce premeds like they were going out of style. Not exactly cheap to go there. Then take CSU San Bernardino.....or any CSU for that matter. They cost about $900 a quarter after tuition and fees. Much cheaper than UC, but they don't push the money making careers. CSU San Bernardino is a big teacher producer. Is a teacher gonna be able to pay back outrageous loans on a teacher's salary? Sure, teachers make more money in Cali than anywhere else, but they also live in Cali.....catch my drift? DEATH TO THE DEMOCRATS!

funny, someone with the name init4damoney is a republican. I have nothing to say to you, just pitty for your ignorance.
 

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AbuABuAbu said:
funny, someone with the name init4damoney is a republican. I have nothing to say to you, just pitty for your ignorance.
You really got tken to there Abu. So...what you are saying is init4damoney shoul be a name for democrats? I don't diagree with you on this one. I'm just shocked you admitted it so quickly.
 

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You really got tken to there Abu. So...what you are saying is init4damoney shoul be a name for democrats? I don't diagree with you on this one. I'm just shocked you admitted it so quickly.

oh hell no, I was saying how it is so typical that a person with the name init4damoney is a republican.
 

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oh hell no, I was saying how it is so typical that a person with the name init4damoney is a republican.

Typical for a person with a name like abuabuabu to be a democrat. You're name sounds like someone straight out of Al Quaida. I bet that's where Kerry trained as a soldier. Go back to terrorist land you american-hating democrat!!!!!!!
 

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Please do not resort to personal attacks, if it continues I will hold the individual/s responsible for their actions.

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Typical for a person with a name like abuabuabu to be a democrat. You're name sounds like someone straight out of Al Quaida. I bet that's where Kerry trained as a soldier. Go back to terrorist land you american-hating democrat!!!!!!!

wow, that was sad.
 

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Typical for a person with a name like abuabuabu to be a democrat. You're name sounds like someone straight out of Al Quaida. I bet that's where Kerry trained as a soldier. Go back to terrorist land you american-hating democrat!!!!!!!
That was waaaaaaaay out of line. What's up with those redneck comments anyways? I don't recall abuabuabu making any anti-american comments. Just because he didn't agree with your political party is no reason to resort to such racist remarks. You need to mature and educate yourself. I seriously can't believe someone like you wants to become a health care professional. Hopefully none of my future classmates are like you.
 

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Could we stay on topic please?
I am reading these last few posts and I was like ?????????
Any idea how we could balance our budget yet give money to our schools?
I have heard something like getting 25% revenue from the casino and use that to pay for costs. I know it wont help much, but any other ways?
 
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