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My class rep spoke to the Anatomy coordinator so this is where this information is coming from. There is little money in the Anatomy department, and thus they can't afford to have more people teaching. Also, there is limited dissecting room time and thus it is highly unlikely that there will be two sections. You guys are really getting the short end of the stick. I guess my class lucked out before UCC went for the cash grab. The anatomy coordinator (his name is Dr. O'Keefe, fantastic professor by the way) is concerned about how this is going to work out, since he recognizes the way the Anatomy Lab is taught is not the best, even without the additional 20 students coming in. It really was a mess this year, really not happy about it since I took Anatomy before coming to medical school and the way they teach it sucks. 5 people crowding around a body while the TA goes through every structure for that week rapid-fire in twenty minutes. 2 minutes in you're already lost. You need to actually find things yourself to learn it, which doesn't happen here unfortunately.

Thanks for the info 😛. I'm actually headed to UCD, but have been lurking on all the threads for the UK& Ireland forums. I figured it would be a good idea to get the ins and outs of the system (and am assuming UCD is similar to UCC) so I'm not in for a complete shock. I'm hoping UCD won't have this happen but who knows.
 
Are the anatomy labs really crucial to do well on the exams? Also, did you have to do any presentations or public speaking type things, I hate those and was hoping to avoid them...Thanks again!
 
Are the anatomy labs really crucial to do well on the exams? Also, did you have to do any presentations or public speaking type things, I hate those and was hoping to avoid them...Thanks again!

They are because anatomy exams are spot exams where they will ask you to identify flagged structures on the cadavers, and the ones they use are the ones seen in the lab so it's important to go and get to know lots of them. Also, the TAs often hint at what structures might be flagged so pester them. There are many structures that are difficult to flag so make sure you ask if an obscure one can be asked.

There's a fair amount of presentations and public speaking. Every week you will have small group learning sessions on a case. The group will come up with learning objectives regarding the case, and each person will have to research one of the objectives and on the second session present it to the group. The easiest way to do this is through powerpoint, so you will get lots of practice with public speaking. Also, you will have to present a epidemiology paper to the class and it will be marked. Don't worry, I was dreading public speaking as well, but when you have to do it every week (albeit to a small group of 10 most weeks) it just gets easier. By the time you actually have to present something worth significant marks (around March), you should be more comfortable with it.
 
Are the anatomy labs really crucial to doing well on the exams? Also, did you have to do any presentations/public speaking type projects? I hate those and was hoping to avoid them...Thanks again for everything!
 
sorry, my mistake. I didnt realize there were two pages
 
I have to jump in here...
I graduated from UCC in 2010 and am currently in a Family Medicine residency program in Saskatchewan (great program; first choice). I will readily acknowledge that my Irish education was different but I would be very cautious in labeling it "sub-par" to Canadian medical education. I have consistently felt myself to be well-prepared through my first year of residency and to be well "up-to-par" with my Canadian grad fellow residents. The sole exception is the deficit Irish grads come with in terms of hands-on management experience but this is a well-known deficit that reflects the very different nature of clinical training here versus there. Like everyone, I mad up that deficit staedily on the wards within 3-5 months and feel zero gap now. Ireland prepared me VERY well for general Hx and Exam which continue to be the core of my practice. And I have a very thorough knowledge base upon which I add my clinical/management experience as I develop it.

Thanks for the response Unch, you mentioned though that the Irish grads are deficit in the hands-on management experience but I had always thought that thats where the Irish students were supposed to excel. We have less hours of coursework technically only 1.5 years because they put us in hospitals early and the courseload itself is not the same depth as Canadian schools so I'd thought we'd at least be stronger on the hands on clinical management seeing as we're deficient in the academics and our board scores for Canada are usually not as high as the Canadian med students. I know you had mentioned that it wasn't a big problem for you for the U of Sask family med residency which is great to hear, but would you say your colleagues in the more specialized residencies such as surgery or even those in other fam med residency programs felt the same way as you?
 
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Thanks for the reply. I noticed that on the UCC website, that half our marks come from a final and half from "continuous assessment". Would the small group learning activities/ presentations make up that continuous assessment? Also, for the epidemiology paper you mentioned, is that in front of the entire class (70) and professors? Sorry for the specific questions, I get very nervous with presentations...
 
LR89, yes those small group learning activites make up the continuous assessment. The epidemiology paper which is worth a lot of marks is in front of the entire class and professors unless your classmates decide to skip. It sounds to me you don't like presentations, you will do more and more as you go up the years so you will get used to them and the Irish doctors love to put their students on the spot and ask tough questions in the hospitals. During your rotations they will quiz you in front of your team and you may even have to do presentations of different topics in front of an audience. Thats one of the major differences between North American versus the Irish curriculum. Its too soon to worry about that just yet, relax and enjoy your summer.
 
Thanks 🙂 I suppose your right, the more you get used to them the easier it will become.
 
What were your studying hours like on a weekly basis? Did you find it much more stressful and time consuming than when doing a bachelors? Thank you!
 
Hey there! What kind of international rotations are available during years 3 and 4? I am from the US, so I plan on doing some in the US, but are any available in impoverished nations? I know some US schools allow (and encourage) that.
 
What were your studying hours like on a weekly basis? Did you find it much more stressful and time consuming than when doing a bachelors? Thank you!

I didn't work extremely hard during the weeks but about a month before the exams I cranked it up significantly. I found that exams were far more stressful than during my bachelors.
 
Thanks! Also, I was looking at your guys timetable (2010/2011) and is the schedule really that different from week to week? Isnt there ever some consistency, like every monday you finish at 4? rather than having to check each time individually? Also, I kind of understand the abbreviations they used ("L" I took to mean lecture, "T" to be tutorial, "SGL" to be small group learning) but do you happen to know what does "PT" and "P" stand for? Thank you!
 
Thanks! Also, I was looking at your guys timetable (2010/2011) and is the schedule really that different from week to week? Isnt there ever some consistency, like every monday you finish at 4? rather than having to check each time individually? Also, I kind of understand the abbreviations they used ("L" I took to mean lecture, "T" to be tutorial, "SGL" to be small group learning) but do you happen to know what does "PT" and "P" stand for? Thank you!

Get used to checking the timetable constantly. There's never much consistency, which I found annoying. The only things you can count on usually being the same is SGL, and sometimes Physiology labs. PT and P? I don't recall ever seeing those, where exactly are you seeing this? My guess is that it stands for Practical Teaching or Tutorial, or Practical. I have no idea.
 
It really depends on your background. If you have a degree in the sciences you'll be just fine, also don't forget that the medical degree may be a professional degree that gives you that Dr. title but it is still a bachelors. There are some students who found it easier but there are also those who found it much more challenging so it really depends on you. You don't have to work your butt off to pass here but it isn't an easy program so you will study a lot. Even if you slack off and take it easy a few days in the week to get a few pints in the pub during the regular school year theres no harm in that. Those last few weeks before exams are brutal because there are no gaps in between and it just hits you one after the other. Theres so much material you will forget it all anyway towards the end, whats important is that you know this stuff in time for exams.
 
Thanks asd979 and iwantajob 🙂 you both are so helpful, sorry for the never ending questions. asd979, I found that information here: http://timetable.ucc.ie/. I think you're probably right, "PT" and "P" only turned up in only one week so it probably is something like that. Do you really have to do physiology labs as well? I thought it was only anatomy labs by the time you get to medical school?
 
Thanks asd979 and iwantajob 🙂 you both are so helpful, sorry for the never ending questions. asd979, I found that information here: http://timetable.ucc.ie/. I think you're probably right, "PT" and "P" only turned up in only one week so it probably is something like that. Do you really have to do physiology labs as well? I thought it was only anatomy labs by the time you get to medical school?

Oh, we get our timetables from a special part of the UCC site, which is password protected for some reason, so it might be different from what you've mentioned. Yes, we do have physiology labs as well, and they're largely a waste of time.
 
Do all the GEP students have the same timetable? They dont split the lectures into 35 and 35 or any smaller do they?
 
Everyone has the same timetable, except for SGL and some clinical sessions where it is necessary to break up the class into smaller groups.
 
Hi! I'm from Vancouver. I went to UBC and will be heading to UCC at the end of August. What about yourself?
 
Everyone has the same timetable, except for SGL and some clinical sessions where it is necessary to break up the class into smaller groups.

What kind of payment did you guys attending now have in first year? Was it paying the tuition entirely in august before you could register or a different method.
 
Hi! I'm from Vancouver. I went to UBC and will be heading to UCC at the end of August. What about yourself?

Ubc 2008 grad. I haven't decided as to when to arrive there yet or where to stay. Hopefully I can sort that out before the end of the month. Have u figured out you're living arrangements?
 
What kind of payment did you guys attending now have in first year? Was it paying the tuition entirely in august before you could register or a different method.

Everything had to be paid in August, sucks for interest with the line of credit but there's nothing you can do about it though.
 
Ubc 2008 grad. I haven't decided as to when to arrive there yet or where to stay. Hopefully I can sort that out before the end of the month. Have u figured out you're living arrangements?

I'm renting an apartment about 10 minutes walking distance from UCC and near enough the city centre, along a street called Western Road. I looked at the accommodation that UCC has but wasn't able to find anything I was too keen on. I'm not too sure how good the city is with public transport so I thought it would be better to be within walking distance to both the city center and the university.
 
I'm renting an apartment about 10 minutes walking distance from UCC and near enough the city centre, along a street called Western Road. I looked at the accommodation that UCC has but wasn't able to find anything I was too keen on. I'm not too sure how good the city is with public transport so I thought it would be better to be within walking distance to both the city center and the university.

That sounds pretty good. I just started looking today on the daft.ie site that was reccomended. Do you know how long the school year is (ie 8 months or 10 months)? I want to be able to find a lease that accomodates our schedule.
 
I'm renting an apartment about 10 minutes walking distance from UCC and near enough the city centre, along a street called Western Road. I looked at the accommodation that UCC has but wasn't able to find anything I was too keen on. I'm not too sure how good the city is with public transport so I thought it would be better to be within walking distance to both the city center and the university.

Yeah that's a good choice, you're in between both places. Bus service is ok, at at 1.60 euro a pop it's not cheap.
 
Daft.ie is what I used, the map option is really helpful. From the other UCC students on this forum, it seems like first year is 10 months long, September to end of June.

Those bus prices are a lot. Asd979, do you know if there is any monthly bus pass that's more affordable? Or is biking a good option? in terms of safety, distance (hills)? Thanks again 🙂
 
Daft.ie is what I used, the map option is really helpful. From the other UCC students on this forum, it seems like first year is 10 months long, September to end of June.

Wicked thanks. Also thanks to asd979 and iwantajob. I never asked u guys questions but i found all the info u guys have volunteered to be very helpful.
 
Daft.ie is what I used, the map option is really helpful. From the other UCC students on this forum, it seems like first year is 10 months long, September to end of June.

Those bus prices are a lot. Asd979, do you know if there is any monthly bus pass that's more affordable? Or is biking a good option? in terms of safety, distance (hills)? Thanks again 🙂

I think you can get a pass if you plan on riding the bus a lot. Where you can get it, I have no idea. Biking is a good option, lots of my North American and Irish friends do it, however I do not since I'm terrified I'm going to get hit by a car and die. The roads are extremely narrow and you're not exactly respected by the motorists so it's your choice. My friends think I'm just paranoid, but when you have maybe 2 feet from the traffic I have good reason to be scared. But you can get pretty much anywhere in Cork on a bike.
 
I think you can get a pass if you plan on riding the bus a lot. Where you can get it, I have no idea. Biking is a good option, lots of my North American and Irish friends do it, however I do not since I'm terrified I'm going to get hit by a car and die. The roads are extremely narrow and you're not exactly respected by the motorists so it's your choice. My friends think I'm just paranoid, but when you have maybe 2 feet from the traffic I have good reason to be scared. But you can get pretty much anywhere in Cork on a bike.

Thats true, in North America they really treat cyclists well 🙂 What part of North America are you from?
 
I think you can get a pass if you plan on riding the bus a lot. Where you can get it, I have no idea. Biking is a good option, lots of my North American and Irish friends do it, however I do not since I'm terrified I'm going to get hit by a car and die. The roads are extremely narrow and you're not exactly respected by the motorists so it's your choice. My friends think I'm just paranoid, but when you have maybe 2 feet from the traffic I have good reason to be scared. But you can get pretty much anywhere in Cork on a bike.

Irish people have no concept of checking their mirrors before turning left, usually into a cyclist. The one year I cycled everyday to UCD I was hit pretty bad at least three times. In again Im an aggressive cyclist 😛

Might be worth asking on boards.ie, there is a massive forum on cycling and alot of the Irish students would be on this and could answer some questions.
 
I was looking to get an apt in Cork and I was trying to add up my expeditures. Does anyone know how much of internet and television and electric come out to?
 
Thats true, in North America they really treat cyclists well 🙂 What part of North America are you from?

I'm from Saskatchewan, the only one in my class. 🙁
 
I was looking to get an apt in Cork and I was trying to add up my expeditures. Does anyone know how much of internet and television and electric come out to?

For TV, your options are Sky Ireland (www.sky.com/ireland) or UPC (upc.ie). UPC also has packages for TV, internet, residential home telephone which you can also call Canada free after 6pm for 60 euro/month for the entire package or combinations or individual components for a lower price. If you want a mobile phone you can look at different packages with O2 or Meteor which are big here and you'll see the shops in City Centre. You can pay monthly or pay as you go so the mobile charges vary a lot. Tesco also has mobile phone and they're pretty cheap, but quality and reception is questionable. For cheap ikea style furniture, computer stuff, basically any electrical appliances (you might want a printer to print class notes...I don't recommend printing out physiology or epidemiology notes because they have 60-100 slides per lecture) go to argos.ie (cheap!) and they're also at the City Centre. If you don't really print much out for instance if you like to just download all your lecture notes and just look at them on your laptop you can get a printcard at the library. The ONLY thing you really need to print out are the weekly SGL stuff and that end of year research assignment for epidemiology the rest is up to you like the class notes.

For electric, I'd say anywhere from 60 to 100 euros per month with ESB depending on how much you use, but later on you can switch over to Airtricity which is supposed to save you 15% off of that (worry about that switch later, you will see salesmen for this EVERYWHERE when you get here and they can get pretty annoying).

For groceries you will be pleasantly surprised. Its really cheap here especially if you shop at the major grocery chains like Tesco (also online delivery) which is located in the City Centre, near CUH, and an express store at Dennehy's Cross. Meat, eggs, bread, vegetables, snacks are cheaper here than in Canada and also taste better but some fruits can get pricey in the winter. The cheapest packaged loaf of sliced bread for instance is only 65 cents. Just as a rough estimate for a typical single male, the food might cost you 100 to 200 euros per month.

Can't think of anything else besides rent. My only real complaints were the electric bills and the outrageous school tuition. There is zero way it cost that much money to educate us. Teacher shortages, our pathology department didn't exist, and they just doubled your class size. This will make anatomy labs more crowded (unless they separate the class into two separate time slots for these which I imagine is the most realistic option) and matching might be even tougher for you guys so lets just hope UCC is the only school that increased their intake. Be prepared to question your teachers about this once you get here because they are all very important issues.
 
I think you can get a pass if you plan on riding the bus a lot. Where you can get it, I have no idea. Biking is a good option, lots of my North American and Irish friends do it, however I do not since I'm terrified I'm going to get hit by a car and die. The roads are extremely narrow and you're not exactly respected by the motorists so it's your choice. My friends think I'm just paranoid, but when you have maybe 2 feet from the traffic I have good reason to be scared. But you can get pretty much anywhere in Cork on a bike.

I'm a bicycle chicken but I found Cork was very bikeable. I have fond memories of being followed down College Rd by a bus one day; I was vaguely aware that there was something behind me but it wasn't until he braked for a stop that I realised it was the bus. He stayed behind me for most of the length of the street and only passed after I turned off down a side street to get to the Wilton Road (I lived at Victoria Cross for most of my time in Cork). It is also quite flat, at least compared to cities on the East coast of Canada, so it is a pleasure to bike. I did all my grocery shopping on bike and also my hospital commute most days. You do run into the occasional yahoo on the roads, but after biking around Halifax for 10 years I really found the Cork drivers to be more courteous, for the most part. Cheers,
M
 
I'm from Saskatchewan, the only one in my class. 🙁

🙂 How many other Canadians and Americans were in your class? And what was the general age range of everyone?
 
I'm from Saskatchewan, the only one in my class. 🙁

Hey nothing wrong with that 😛. I knew a few cool people from Saskatoon, lol guessing you might have run into them at some point seeing as how it's a relatively small town. And I'm pretty sure there's gonna be a lot more Canadians than Americans in these Irish schools, so you have one up on me there 😛.
 
Does anyone know traditionally when the end of year exams are for UCC for year 1 students?

Thanks
 
Does anyone know traditionally when the end of year exams are for UCC for year 1 students?

Thanks

The last two weeks of June. Technically, you should also be around for an additional week for the possibility of oral exams.
 
🙂 How many other Canadians and Americans were in your class? And what was the general age range of everyone?

About 20 Canadians, 6 Americans I think in my class. Most people are in the 23-27 range, with a few slightly younger and a few significantly older.
 
For electric, I'd say anywhere from 60 to 100 euros per month with ESB depending on how much you use, but later on you can switch over to Airtricity which is supposed to save you 15% off of that (worry about that switch later, you will see salesmen for this EVERYWHERE when you get here and they can get pretty annoying).

Can't think of anything else besides rent. My only real complaints were the electric bills and the outrageous school tuition. There is zero way it cost that much money to educate us. Teacher shortages, our pathology department didn't exist, and they just doubled your class size. This will make anatomy labs more crowded (unless they separate the class into two separate time slots for these which I imagine is the most realistic option) and matching might be even tougher for you guys so lets just hope UCC is the only school that increased their intake. Be prepared to question your teachers about this once you get here because they are all very important issues.

Wow living off campus can add up esp with electric and internet services. Thanks for the info. I hope the do end up improving the anatomy lab situation.
 
Hey was just looking for avalibilty on daft.ie and there isnt much left other than this place called lancaster hall. Anyone have any info if its a good place to be?
 
Maybe it might be easier to rent whole house and share with other people who are looking here? Sometimes it can be hard to find single rooms right before college starts.. Although maybe you've already tried that? Just a suggestion!
 
Maybe it might be easier to rent whole house and share with other people who are looking here? Sometimes it can be hard to find single rooms right before college starts.. Although maybe you've already tried that? Just a suggestion!

Ya it is a good idea. I was thinking of trying that next year when I get acquainted with a few people.
 
For internet you could go with the much cheaper broadband options but they have limits and you can't go over. If you like downloading, watching TV online, videos, youtube online frequently then I don't recommend those. Basic cable in Ireland is 2 channels and 1 of these is in Gaelic so if you are a TV watcher you have to get cable. Electric in Europe is expensive, thats probably the only aspect that is cheaper in North America.

There are also a lot of places that is open for student accommodation in Cork but a lot of these places aren't advertised online. In fact I saw quite a few places with those vacancy signs between the City Centre and UCC and they're probably not advertised. Theres also a place called "Brookfield Lodge" which is next to Brookfield Health Sciences where you will have all your classes. For some reason all of the North Americans don't know about this place at all because they contact student accommodation and they're referred to the more expensive places that really aren't that great (maybe because they think we have more money?) so it was mostly only the Irish students out of town or farther in Cork that stayed here because they had a chance to look around whereas the North Americans didn't have that option. The convenient thing about this place is theres a mini store and cafe right beside and you can wake up moments before class and walk to class next door.
 
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