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50 interviewees for 2 spots...is it worth it??? I'm prob not gonna go..but Jot informs me Im an IDIOT for passing up the possibility of attending UCLA MSTP period. Is he right? I have interviewed at UCSD, NW, Case, and Vandy.

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I had a pretty poor impression of some of the *MD/PhD* [edit] people at UCLA - they give the idea that their school is "all that" - not likely.

Or perhaps, I'm just bitter...

Yours,
 
personally, if i was given a chance to attend ucla med, i would not even have to think. reflex reaction would be to sign on the dotted line. 🙂
 
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I work with a bunch of UCLA PhD people. Their PI (my boss) moved out to Delaware on them while they were working on their theses and so they came out here. They are a really cool bunch and they LOVE LA (and hate DE, not that I can blame them). Every once and awhile they wonder why I didn't apply out there, and I really feel like a ******* for not applying to California schools. Oh well.

I thought UCLA had more than 2 slots? I thought the 2 slots was just for the UCLA/Caltech program and that UCLA had more?
 
i thought ucla was great - heres the deal, ucla interviews about 70-80 for the ucla mstp, and accepts about half eventually. the caltech part of the program interviews about 40-50 i believe, and accepts 6 or so (a guess - i imagine they wait for people to decline past 2 then accept more) for a yield of 2 with an emphasis on those, of course, that will be able to use the resources of caltech well. i just heard from the ucla/caltech program this mornign (they forgot to tell me the decision, it was made over a month ago) - but this doesn't mean that there is only 1 spot left... ucla mstp itself has a lot of options and good research giong on - cool area, great weather. matter of taste, and i still marq_bme shoudl check it out .

-jot
 
Jot, UCLA admits 35-40 MSTP students every year?
Where did you find this info'?
I would like to go there and read it for myself. I am very interested in UCLA MSTP as they have a very good brain imaging center for research.
Also, do you happen to know the stats of the admitted MSTP applicants there?

thanks

PS pl PM me if you would like
 
I just visited UCLA MSTP site and found this:

"The program is highly competitive and a limited number of offers are made for the 12 funded positions available each year. "
 
12 Slots, and they will probably accept around 3 times that many. Many applicants will get multiple invites, but they will only be able to choose one program. While UCLA is a great program, it will be turned down by some people. Also, MSTPs seem to hold their acceptances longer because of the paid revisit weekends.
 
Originally posted by bailey39
12 Slots, and they will probably accept around 3 times that many. Many applicants will get multiple invites, but they will only be able to choose one program. While UCLA is a great program, it will be turned down by some people. Also, MSTPs seem to hold their acceptances longer because of the paid revisit weekends.

Couple years ago, a lot of people turned down UCLA, so that they didn't have enough acceptances to fill their spots!

I was also wondering whether or not the MSTP continues to support PhD years 2-XX? I thought they didn't pay your stipend after Year 1.

Yours,
 
Only 1/3 of accepted people choose to attend? Wow, that strikes me as pretty low. I know a lot of schools only have to accept about 2 times as many as spots they have. For example, I just came back from UT Southwestern's 2nd look weekend. There were 35 who showed, and they can fill a class of 15 with that. I've heard similar numbers for other schools.

Which begs the question: what is it that makes people apply to UCLA apply, but choose other schools instead?

(And for anyone applying next cycle, UTSW throws a killer 2nd look weekend. You get to meet Ross Perot [major program benefactor], eat at great restaurants, and party hearty. I don't think I've given my liver that good a workout in a long time. 😀)

-Naphtali
 
hi, maybe i can help.

i am working full-time at caltech right now, also in the midst of applying to m.d./ph.d. programs like many of you. Since i know a few of the people in the ucla/caltech m.d./ph.d. program, i will try to shed light on some of your questions.

it is not true that only two spots are offered per year. last year, the rumor was that about 6 (? if my memory serves me right) offers were sent out, and NONE of them were taken. a lot of m.d./ph.d. students are interested not in basic science research, but in more clinical applications more than anything else. and since caltech is very strong in the basic sciences, i have been told that a lot of m.d./ph.d. students tend to stay away from caltech.

having said that though, caltech, as many of you know, has great research opportunities and lots of great faculty and in my opinion, is a great place to study.

hope this helps!

an interesting tidbit: there was an 11 yr old prospective m.d./ph.d. student who interviewed for this program this year! unbelievable.
 
One reason for the lack of people choosing to attend UCLA may be the high cost of living you have to deal with using your MSTP stipend. This definitely isn't an issue for some who have money or don't mind loans, but it could be something to think about.
 
The way it works is that UCLA makes an initial number of acceptance offers and then takes people off the waitlist as declines come in. The reason that many people decline is that they have gotten into other schools that they would rather attend. For example, I got into UCSF, among other places. The year I was applying, UCLA ended up going through the entire waitlist and filled only 5 spots. I am not sure if this has changed since then. The main problem has been lack of effort to recruit students. UCLA has a great program with excellent researchers and a wonderful medical school. However, they nowhere near approached other schools in terms of recruitment efforts.

Hopefully things have changed since I applied. Jot and others can tell you more about how it is nowadays.

Bottom line: I definitely think it is worth giving UCLA a shot.

Hope this helps. 😀
 
As a first year MD/PhD student here at UCLA I thought I might be able to give you guys some info. I'll try to hit all the points brought up, but if I don't please send me a note to ask more questions.

First, two years ago (when Vader applied) the program really screwed up, and didn't recruit properly or correctly judge the number of acceptances needed to fill their spots. That year's class had only 5 people in it. The people in charge were really upset and it's not going to happen again. Last year, however, they corrected things, and have a full class of 12 students. I was told that only 2 people turned down spots, so that means a total of 14 acceptances were sent out last year. I'm not 100% sure of that, as it's second hand info, but it was definitely less than 20 total acceptances.

I am not in the caltech program, nor did I apply to it, but the way it worked last year was that 2 people were admitted into the program. Those two people were first admitted to UCLA without knowing their caltech status. After accepting their spots they were then given a choice of whether they wanted to attend caltech or not. They may be changing that this year and telling people with the acceptance.

As far as cost of living goes, it's definitely true. It's expensive here, but it's comparable to the bay area schools, stanford and UCSF or the New York schools. And there's graduate student housing as well. It takes a year or so to get in, but it's very reasonable.

As far as stipend goes, it's 20K and we all hope it goes up. They pay for everything as long as you stay in good academic standing. Although, they do require you to become a California resident after the first year (if you aren't one already) so that your tuition is reduced. They also require you to apply for extra fellowships and grants during the PhD years. This is for two reasons: to help the program and because they feel that it's very important for students to get used to writing proposals. It also looks great on a CV.

Ok, I think that's most of it. I've been told that the total number of applicants and interviewees is up 20% this year, for unknown reasons. So, that'll make it a little more competitive. Also, we did have an 11 year old interviewee. I personally think that it'd be a little innappropriate to admit him, but we'll see.

UCLA has a great program that is only getting better. They really want to expand the program, and I think they have support of the dean of the medical school who now has an extra $200 million (thanks to Mr. Geffen) to work with. The med school is great, and will be modifying and updating their curriculum so it should be even better. And, the research is awsome, especially if you're interested in neurosciences or imaging (which I'm not, btw). But, the school is so big that there is something for everyone here.

I almost didn't come here for my interview, since I didn't know if I could stand to live in LA. But, that would have been a huge mistake. Looking back, I couldn't be happier with my decision.

Good luck all, and if you have any more questions feel free to email me.

Adam
 
Oh, one last thing. If you are accepted, they will pay for a revisit. That was very helpful for me when I was making my decision.

Adam
 
ok...

here's the question, since it was mentioned in this post. i am being interviewed for the caltech/ucla program (i want to do biomedical engineering) - does this mean that if i were admitted i would do the phd at caltech, and wouldn't have the choice of getting it at ucla? i have a few reasons for asking this...1. i have to think about who i would like to meet and am wondering if i should skew my list towards either school, and 2. i am a masters student at ucla and did my undergrad here...my p.i. would be pleased as punch to keep me in his lab, but i would like to get experience elsewhere (now really...who could turn down caltech)...and am wondering exactly how they decide who goes where, and the logistics of the program. for instance - if i were to obtain my phd from caltech - could i do research at ucla or vice versa? is the program very flexible or no?

AND, what's with this whole 50 something amount of people interviewed for the caltech thing out of 70 for the entire mstp program...not like i'm going to turn down my golden ticket for the interview, but it's a little disheartening to think my chances of getting into the program are going to be so low! (6/50 = 12% vs. ~50% at other programs i've interviewed at...🙁 )
 
i was accepted to the ucla and ucla/caltech program last year; if you choose the ucla/caltech option - i believe you can choose to rotate at either school, and you can choose to eventually do your phd at either school. often times there are people in your mstp class at ucla that would like the opportunity to do their phd at caltech so your ostensibly 'switch' with them. in the past years you had to committ to a grad school upon acccepting your offer to the school - but this is no longer true. there is some level of flexibility.

it's true that about 50 people interview for the caltech thing - and i imagine that ~6 are offered positions [probably a bit variable - they offer them out a slot at a time].

while the caltech grad school has their stuff together, there is not much communication with the super disorganized ucla mstp office [i just got my reimbursement check for the revisit last week - 8 months, 5 reminders late] and you should be prepared to coordinate activities between the two schools yourself.
 
Anyone still waiting to hear from UCLA this year? I applied (without the Caltech option) early in the season and was just wondering if they're still inviting people or if I should cross it off my list...either's fine at this point, but it'd be nice to know.
 
I just got my invite this week(although I did submit very late), and they offered a choice of dates that extend through mid February, so hang in there!

Originally posted by neurotiger
Anyone still waiting to hear from UCLA this year? I applied (without the Caltech option) early in the season and was just wondering if they're still inviting people or if I should cross it off my list...either's fine at this point, but it'd be nice to know.
 
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