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Ucla Or Columbia
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In the battle of UCLA vs. Columbia, UCLA is the clear weiner.KAP said:
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that's a no brainer......UCLA off course...
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They're both great schools so can't really go wrong either way...it basically comes down to where you wanna live...LA or NY? If you live out west, or especially if u are a CA resident, id say UCLA all the way. If you don't really have any preference about being close to family and friends, and if money isnt an issue cuz ur out of state for UCLA, then i guess its more of a toss up.
For me, I didnt apply to any western schools. Nothing wrong with them obviously, but I couldnt see myself actually living in CA. I just wasnt comfortable with the idea. Im from MI, so I wanted to stay in the midwest or east coast..call me crazy, but I need my cold snowy winters 😱 . I mean c'mon..70 and sunny in the middle of January...wierd...
For me, I didnt apply to any western schools. Nothing wrong with them obviously, but I couldnt see myself actually living in CA. I just wasnt comfortable with the idea. Im from MI, so I wanted to stay in the midwest or east coast..call me crazy, but I need my cold snowy winters 😱 . I mean c'mon..70 and sunny in the middle of January...wierd...
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70s and sunny in january=paradise
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fightingspirit said:
not for me...yea i know, im crazy 👍
snow = awesome!, just not 18 inches at a time like in Buffalo
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thank goodness there are no rankings in d-school. that way we can select d-school according to our own priorities .......not the prejudices and politics of U.S News And World Report...poeple who want d-schools ranked are those have difficulty making decisions on their own or those who have egos and wanna see their schools ranked higher than others...grow up
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This is a tough decision, but I agree with the others, if you're a CA resident I'd choose UCLA. That is unless, you went to UCLA for your undergrad and are looking for a new change in scenery. They're both great schools that will work you hard for the next four years. But I think the price difference and weather speaks for itself. But then again, I'm a little biased since I grew up in LA and benefitted from the cheap UC tuition for undergrad.
My suggestion: email some UCLA and Columbia students some thoughtful questions that you'd like answered. From there, make your decision.
My suggestion: email some UCLA and Columbia students some thoughtful questions that you'd like answered. From there, make your decision.
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why the hell would you even consider COlumbia over UCLA? Isnt UCLA a million times cheaper than COlumbia? Worried about reputation? I dont know why, but UCLA's reputation is definitely on par with Columbia, I'd say.
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The long tuition hike seems to ease or reduce its hike quite a bit. So adding the "cheaper" to the table.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Tuesday, January 10, 2006
Brad Hayward (510) 987-9195
[email protected]
GOVERNORS BUDGET PROPOSAL SUPPORTS UC COMPACT,
INCLUDES STATE BUYOUT OF STUDENT FEE INCREASES
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger issued a 2006-07 state budget proposal today (Jan. 10) that would provide a second year of increased funding for the University of California after four years of cuts. The governors budget would fund enrollment growth at UC, use state funds to buy out student fee increases, provide additional state funding for UCs initiative to train more science and math teachers, and invest in UC health care to underserved regions of the state.
The budget proposal fulfills the governors compact with UC. That document spells out anticipated state funding levels and university accountability measures over a multi-year period.
We are grateful to the governor for once again recognizing the vital contribution higher education makes to the well-being of the state, said UC President Robert C. Dynes. This budget will help us keep our doors open to the next entering class of students, continue rebuilding and improving programs that suffered from the budget cuts of the last few years, and provide access to the university for students from families of all financial means.
The governors budget does not include funding for UCs K-12 academic preparation programs or labor research programs. Dynes said the university will actively seek restoration of this funding as the budget moves through the Legislature this year.
Under the governors budget, UCs state-funded budget for the fiscal year beginning July 1 would total $3.049 billion, an increase of $207 million or 7.3 percent above the 2005-06 level.
Below are key elements of the governors proposal for UC:
Enrollment growth: Funding for growth of 5,279 full-time-equivalent students in 2006-07, an increase of 2.5 percent. This increase will allow UC to meet its commitments under the Master Plan for Higher Education to offer a place to all eligible undergraduates and also will allow UC to continue increasing graduate enrollments, including in the health sciences.
Student fees: The governors budget proposes to use $75 million in state funding to buy out student fee increases at UC. The Regents adopted 2006-07 fee increases in November but, responding to an appeal from Assembly Speaker Fabian Núñez, did so with the understanding that student fees as proposed will be reduced or rescinded prior to implementation if the governor and Legislature provide the funding to reduce or eliminate the fee increases and the remaining portions of the compact remain in place.
The increases planned for 2006-07 but which would be rescinded under the governors budget were an 8 percent increase in mandatory systemwide fees for undergraduates, a 10 percent increase in mandatory systemwide fees for graduate academic students, and 5-10 percent increases (dollar amounts varying by school) for most professional school students. A 5 percent nonresident tuition hike approved for undergraduates only would not be affected by the governors plan.
This proposal recognizes the financial struggles of many California families and helps preserve access to the university for families of all means, Dynes said. In addition, I am pleased that the governor proposed buying out fees at the graduate and professional level, where we are working to enhance our competitiveness for the best students.
With the buyout, mandatory systemwide fees for resident undergraduates in 2006-07 would be $6,141, or an estimated average $6,802 with the inclusion of campus-based fees. Resident graduate academic students would pay $6,897 in mandatory systemwide fees, or an estimated average $8,708 with the inclusion of campus-based fees. Nonresident students would pay an average total of $25,486 at the undergraduate level with the increase in nonresident tuition for undergraduate students, and $23,669 at the graduate level. Two-thirds of UC students receive financial aid to help cover these costs.
Professional students would still see a one-year, temporary $350 increase in the Educational Fee, approved by the Regents last July to help cover lost revenue associated with a lawsuit regarding professional fees. The Regents in July also approved increases in some professional school fees for 2005-06 but deferred a portion of those increases to 2006-07; students would still see those increases as well. But the further fee increases adopted in November for 2006-07 would not occur. Total fees for professional students in 2006-07 would range from about $12,000 for nursing to about $25,000 for law.
Science and math initiative: The budget includes $375,000 in addition to the $750,000 included in the 2005-06 budget for the California Teach One Thousand Teachers, One Million Minds program. In this program, UC has begun working with corporate partners and the California State University system to dramatically expand the training of high-quality science and mathematics teachers for Californias schools in order to bolster the states long-term economic and technological competitiveness.
Faculty and staff compensation: The governors budget includes funding that, when combined with other university revenue sources, will fund an average 4 percent increase in employee compensation in 2006-07, subject to collective bargaining requirements. Salaries of UC faculty and staff now significantly lag those at institutions UC competes with, putting the university at a competitive disadvantage in preserving quality programs. This additional funding will prevent further erosion of UCs salary competitiveness.
UC Merced: The budget sustains $14 million in one-time funding, in addition to $10 million in base funding plus funding for enrollment growth, for the new UC Merced.
Facilities and health initiatives: In addition to the operating budget, the governor proposed $340 million in capital funding for UC facilities in 2006-07 to help the university continue addressing enrollment growth, seismic and life safety needs.
The governor also proposed a major infrastructure program for the State of California that includes $345 million per year for UCs facilities construction and renewal program over the next 10 years, along with an additional $40 million per year for 10 years for UC initiatives to improve health care to underserved Californians, with a special focus on telemedicine.
Each of the five UC campuses with a medical school has been developing programs to train more physicians who can help meet health care shortfalls in medically underserved areas of the state. For instance, UC Irvine has launched a program focusing on the unique needs of the Latino community; UC Davis is now preparing to launch a program focusing on health care for rural underserved areas of Northern California. A key component of the UC Davis program is expansion of its telemedicine program, which uses electronic technology to allow residents of remote, medically underserved areas to consult with, and gain long-distance diagnoses from, medical experts in specific fields.
The funding of $40 million per year for 10 years would provide for the additional UC instructional and research space needed to accommodate a roughly 10 percent increase in medical school enrollments associated with these programs, along with state-of-the-art equipment to help address the needs of medically underserved populations.
We greatly appreciate the governors infrastructure proposals for higher education, Dynes said. The portion devoted to health care will help make California a national leader in telemedicine and will improve the care available to many Californians.
Academic preparation: The governors proposed budget removes $17 million in state funding for UCs academic preparation programs, which help improve the academic performance of educationally disadvantaged students in K-12 schools across the state. This action would leave the $12 million in internal resources that UC currently provides for these programs. The governor sustained the state funding on a one-time basis in 2005-06, and UC has been working to quantify thoroughly the programs effectiveness for the administration. A final report from that effort is expected this spring.
These academic preparation programs are an important path to social mobility, enhanced college preparation, and ultimately, greater economic success for the state, Dynes said. I will continue working to sustain state funding for these efforts, because they should be an important priority not only for the university, but for the state itself.
Labor research: The governors budget would not restore $2.9 million in funding that was removed from the 2005-06 budget for labor research programs at UC. The university will seek restoration of this funding in 2006-07.
Childrens health: As the fifth largest provider of health care services in California, UC supports the governors efforts to ensure that children have adequate health insurance coverage. UCs five teaching hospitals are an integral part of the health care safety net, with Medi-Cal recipients and uninsured patients relying on UC teaching hospitals to access high quality care. Increased efforts to enroll eligible children in the Medi-Cal and Healthy Families programs work to strengthen the health care safety net.
The governors budget can be found online at www.ebudget.ca.gov.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Tuesday, January 10, 2006
Brad Hayward (510) 987-9195
[email protected]
GOVERNORS BUDGET PROPOSAL SUPPORTS UC COMPACT,
INCLUDES STATE BUYOUT OF STUDENT FEE INCREASES
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger issued a 2006-07 state budget proposal today (Jan. 10) that would provide a second year of increased funding for the University of California after four years of cuts. The governors budget would fund enrollment growth at UC, use state funds to buy out student fee increases, provide additional state funding for UCs initiative to train more science and math teachers, and invest in UC health care to underserved regions of the state.
The budget proposal fulfills the governors compact with UC. That document spells out anticipated state funding levels and university accountability measures over a multi-year period.
We are grateful to the governor for once again recognizing the vital contribution higher education makes to the well-being of the state, said UC President Robert C. Dynes. This budget will help us keep our doors open to the next entering class of students, continue rebuilding and improving programs that suffered from the budget cuts of the last few years, and provide access to the university for students from families of all financial means.
The governors budget does not include funding for UCs K-12 academic preparation programs or labor research programs. Dynes said the university will actively seek restoration of this funding as the budget moves through the Legislature this year.
Under the governors budget, UCs state-funded budget for the fiscal year beginning July 1 would total $3.049 billion, an increase of $207 million or 7.3 percent above the 2005-06 level.
Below are key elements of the governors proposal for UC:
Enrollment growth: Funding for growth of 5,279 full-time-equivalent students in 2006-07, an increase of 2.5 percent. This increase will allow UC to meet its commitments under the Master Plan for Higher Education to offer a place to all eligible undergraduates and also will allow UC to continue increasing graduate enrollments, including in the health sciences.
Student fees: The governors budget proposes to use $75 million in state funding to buy out student fee increases at UC. The Regents adopted 2006-07 fee increases in November but, responding to an appeal from Assembly Speaker Fabian Núñez, did so with the understanding that student fees as proposed will be reduced or rescinded prior to implementation if the governor and Legislature provide the funding to reduce or eliminate the fee increases and the remaining portions of the compact remain in place.
The increases planned for 2006-07 but which would be rescinded under the governors budget were an 8 percent increase in mandatory systemwide fees for undergraduates, a 10 percent increase in mandatory systemwide fees for graduate academic students, and 5-10 percent increases (dollar amounts varying by school) for most professional school students. A 5 percent nonresident tuition hike approved for undergraduates only would not be affected by the governors plan.
This proposal recognizes the financial struggles of many California families and helps preserve access to the university for families of all means, Dynes said. In addition, I am pleased that the governor proposed buying out fees at the graduate and professional level, where we are working to enhance our competitiveness for the best students.
With the buyout, mandatory systemwide fees for resident undergraduates in 2006-07 would be $6,141, or an estimated average $6,802 with the inclusion of campus-based fees. Resident graduate academic students would pay $6,897 in mandatory systemwide fees, or an estimated average $8,708 with the inclusion of campus-based fees. Nonresident students would pay an average total of $25,486 at the undergraduate level with the increase in nonresident tuition for undergraduate students, and $23,669 at the graduate level. Two-thirds of UC students receive financial aid to help cover these costs.
Professional students would still see a one-year, temporary $350 increase in the Educational Fee, approved by the Regents last July to help cover lost revenue associated with a lawsuit regarding professional fees. The Regents in July also approved increases in some professional school fees for 2005-06 but deferred a portion of those increases to 2006-07; students would still see those increases as well. But the further fee increases adopted in November for 2006-07 would not occur. Total fees for professional students in 2006-07 would range from about $12,000 for nursing to about $25,000 for law.
Science and math initiative: The budget includes $375,000 in addition to the $750,000 included in the 2005-06 budget for the California Teach One Thousand Teachers, One Million Minds program. In this program, UC has begun working with corporate partners and the California State University system to dramatically expand the training of high-quality science and mathematics teachers for Californias schools in order to bolster the states long-term economic and technological competitiveness.
Faculty and staff compensation: The governors budget includes funding that, when combined with other university revenue sources, will fund an average 4 percent increase in employee compensation in 2006-07, subject to collective bargaining requirements. Salaries of UC faculty and staff now significantly lag those at institutions UC competes with, putting the university at a competitive disadvantage in preserving quality programs. This additional funding will prevent further erosion of UCs salary competitiveness.
UC Merced: The budget sustains $14 million in one-time funding, in addition to $10 million in base funding plus funding for enrollment growth, for the new UC Merced.
Facilities and health initiatives: In addition to the operating budget, the governor proposed $340 million in capital funding for UC facilities in 2006-07 to help the university continue addressing enrollment growth, seismic and life safety needs.
The governor also proposed a major infrastructure program for the State of California that includes $345 million per year for UCs facilities construction and renewal program over the next 10 years, along with an additional $40 million per year for 10 years for UC initiatives to improve health care to underserved Californians, with a special focus on telemedicine.
Each of the five UC campuses with a medical school has been developing programs to train more physicians who can help meet health care shortfalls in medically underserved areas of the state. For instance, UC Irvine has launched a program focusing on the unique needs of the Latino community; UC Davis is now preparing to launch a program focusing on health care for rural underserved areas of Northern California. A key component of the UC Davis program is expansion of its telemedicine program, which uses electronic technology to allow residents of remote, medically underserved areas to consult with, and gain long-distance diagnoses from, medical experts in specific fields.
The funding of $40 million per year for 10 years would provide for the additional UC instructional and research space needed to accommodate a roughly 10 percent increase in medical school enrollments associated with these programs, along with state-of-the-art equipment to help address the needs of medically underserved populations.
We greatly appreciate the governors infrastructure proposals for higher education, Dynes said. The portion devoted to health care will help make California a national leader in telemedicine and will improve the care available to many Californians.
Academic preparation: The governors proposed budget removes $17 million in state funding for UCs academic preparation programs, which help improve the academic performance of educationally disadvantaged students in K-12 schools across the state. This action would leave the $12 million in internal resources that UC currently provides for these programs. The governor sustained the state funding on a one-time basis in 2005-06, and UC has been working to quantify thoroughly the programs effectiveness for the administration. A final report from that effort is expected this spring.
These academic preparation programs are an important path to social mobility, enhanced college preparation, and ultimately, greater economic success for the state, Dynes said. I will continue working to sustain state funding for these efforts, because they should be an important priority not only for the university, but for the state itself.
Labor research: The governors budget would not restore $2.9 million in funding that was removed from the 2005-06 budget for labor research programs at UC. The university will seek restoration of this funding in 2006-07.
Childrens health: As the fifth largest provider of health care services in California, UC supports the governors efforts to ensure that children have adequate health insurance coverage. UCs five teaching hospitals are an integral part of the health care safety net, with Medi-Cal recipients and uninsured patients relying on UC teaching hospitals to access high quality care. Increased efforts to enroll eligible children in the Medi-Cal and Healthy Families programs work to strengthen the health care safety net.
The governors budget can be found online at www.ebudget.ca.gov.
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First of all,
UCLA consistently ranked top in national board for years with UConn.
UCLA has a great weather
UCLA is cheaper since CA allows resident status after 1 year if you follow all the steps.
UCLA has great specialty programs
I bet you would wein more in in Columbia since you are competting with labless Med student.
Furthermore, check out how many real patients you can treat before you graduate.
Columbia?
NO way
Good luck with you.
UCLA consistently ranked top in national board for years with UConn.
UCLA has a great weather
UCLA is cheaper since CA allows resident status after 1 year if you follow all the steps.
UCLA has great specialty programs
I bet you would wein more in in Columbia since you are competting with labless Med student.
Furthermore, check out how many real patients you can treat before you graduate.
Columbia?
NO way
Good luck with you.
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doens't ucla have a really small patient pool cuz it's in westwood---ie a really wealthy area
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Right now I'm deciding between the two and I don't understand how UCLA is obviously the winner. I mean yea, it's cheaper and weather is better, but damn have you heard the fourth years complain that they are "worn out?" Haven't heard that from Columbia students and in fact, after looking through their class photo album it seems they are having more fun. And UCLA offers NO summer vacation!!! That could be painful after four years.
Also, I don't know if "UCLA's reputation is definitely on par with Columbia." I think only the dental community knows that UCLA is better than Columbia in terms of "ranking," but even rankings fluctuate from year to year. In 5 or 10 years, UCLA could be ranked lower than Columbia. But the "prestige" of Columbia seems to be more of a certainty for many years to come.
And for specialties, I know UCLA ranks at the top of NB Part I scores. But I'm not sure if "going to UCLA" is the reason the students score high on the NB Part I. I see it like this, people who were at the top when applying for dental school will choose schools like UCLA, Harvard, Columbia, etc., and naturally their NB Part I scores will be high. So how big of a role does UCLA education actually play in this equation? They were already smart to begin with.
Don't get me wrong, I actually graduated from UCLA undergrad and I'm a proud graduate. But it's just I don't see how UCLA is obviously better than Columbia. So I was wondering, out of the people who got into both, which did you guys end up choosing? I'm so torn on this decision right now...any help is greatly appreciated! 🙂
Also, I don't know if "UCLA's reputation is definitely on par with Columbia." I think only the dental community knows that UCLA is better than Columbia in terms of "ranking," but even rankings fluctuate from year to year. In 5 or 10 years, UCLA could be ranked lower than Columbia. But the "prestige" of Columbia seems to be more of a certainty for many years to come.
And for specialties, I know UCLA ranks at the top of NB Part I scores. But I'm not sure if "going to UCLA" is the reason the students score high on the NB Part I. I see it like this, people who were at the top when applying for dental school will choose schools like UCLA, Harvard, Columbia, etc., and naturally their NB Part I scores will be high. So how big of a role does UCLA education actually play in this equation? They were already smart to begin with.
Don't get me wrong, I actually graduated from UCLA undergrad and I'm a proud graduate. But it's just I don't see how UCLA is obviously better than Columbia. So I was wondering, out of the people who got into both, which did you guys end up choosing? I'm so torn on this decision right now...any help is greatly appreciated! 🙂
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Where are you planning on working after graduation enginerd?
I think location should play a big factor in your decision. I hear that passing the western regionals is difficult.
Also, Columbia is a little dated. As far as I know, they don't have any digital radiographs or any new gadgets to play with. But I do agree that the students there do seem to have fun but I think UCLA students can find ways to have fun too! I mean, what did you do as an undergrad in LA that you can't do as a dental student?
Edit: I forgot to mention that UCLA's program is a hybrid of lecture and PBL as opposed to Columbia's lecture-based program. I don't know if anyone has mentioned that before but I think that PBL is really practical and has a lot of real world value. I learned that at my USC interview.
I think location should play a big factor in your decision. I hear that passing the western regionals is difficult.
Also, Columbia is a little dated. As far as I know, they don't have any digital radiographs or any new gadgets to play with. But I do agree that the students there do seem to have fun but I think UCLA students can find ways to have fun too! I mean, what did you do as an undergrad in LA that you can't do as a dental student?
Edit: I forgot to mention that UCLA's program is a hybrid of lecture and PBL as opposed to Columbia's lecture-based program. I don't know if anyone has mentioned that before but I think that PBL is really practical and has a lot of real world value. I learned that at my USC interview.
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enginerd said:
and only the dental community offers dental jobs and specialties...Don't worry about 10 yrs from now. You can never predict the future. Worry about 2 yrs from now and see which school prepares you better for NBDE-I. I believe last year UCLA ranked #2 and Columbia ranked #8 or 9 based on NBDE-I scores. So school can make a difference and "going to UCLA" may be one of the reasons the students score high on the NBDE Part I. More than 50 UCLA students specialize but only ~30 Columbia students specialize. Columbia University was founded in 1754; UCLA was founded in 1916. If the trend of the past 90 yrs is indicative of the future UCLA will very soon surpass Columbia in every field of studies by a wide margin.
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i'd go to ucla.. awesome rep, weather, match rate, etc..
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EyeAmCommi said:
Are you saying that passing the western regional is difficult IF somebody went to Columbia instead of UCLA?
EyeAmCommi said:
Haha, of course there's ALOT of stuff to do in LA, but do we have TIME to do it? The main point was that the UCLA classes load up with alot of work leaving us with not much free time.
policedds said:
I heard from UCLA on Thursday and I interviewed 4/3. Hope that helps.
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you are going to have a lot of work and not a lot of free time going to either... the only difference i see is, do you want to freeze ur ass off for 4 years and have hot mucky summers, or go to ucla where you are already accustomed to and will get just as good, and cheaper, of an education?
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I don't think you have to take the Western regionals if you go to UCLA.
From talkin to someone, I was under the impression that if you go to a California school, then you don't have to take the licensure exam to practice here. However, if you go to an out of state school, then you're going to have to take the really really hard exam.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Edit: You know what, I think I might be wrong.
However, UCLA will train you for the Dental Board of California, which might help you pass it in one try.
From talkin to someone, I was under the impression that if you go to a California school, then you don't have to take the licensure exam to practice here. However, if you go to an out of state school, then you're going to have to take the really really hard exam.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Edit: You know what, I think I might be wrong.
However, UCLA will train you for the Dental Board of California, which might help you pass it in one try.
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enginerd said:
The first two years at Columbia are gonna be hard too. Why are you afraid of hard work? KAP is right. Choose between the two because of other criteria such as location perhaps.
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nothen2do said:
Indeed 😀
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KAP, I thought you already made up your mind to go to ucla?
my vote goes to ucla, but that was my #1 choice from the start, so i am a little biased.
i did not apply to columbia, so i can only speak about ucla.
-overall great school (students get good scores, get into specialties. etc)
-i have heard problems about getting patients, but there is another clinic in Venice, so if your group stays on top of it, you should have no problem fulfilling all the requirements and getting your skills up to par.
-westwood is a really nice area, close to the beach, great weather (i have lived in boston for 2 years, and i prefer it sunny)
-there are top notch specialties at the school
-cost for CA residents is great compared to other private schools
-cost of living in LA is a little cheaper than NY
Then again, I have heard great things about Columbia. They seem to place a lot of OMFS residents.
Good luck in your decision, but hope to see you at ucla!
my vote goes to ucla, but that was my #1 choice from the start, so i am a little biased.
i did not apply to columbia, so i can only speak about ucla.
-overall great school (students get good scores, get into specialties. etc)
-i have heard problems about getting patients, but there is another clinic in Venice, so if your group stays on top of it, you should have no problem fulfilling all the requirements and getting your skills up to par.
-westwood is a really nice area, close to the beach, great weather (i have lived in boston for 2 years, and i prefer it sunny)
-there are top notch specialties at the school
-cost for CA residents is great compared to other private schools
-cost of living in LA is a little cheaper than NY
Then again, I have heard great things about Columbia. They seem to place a lot of OMFS residents.
Good luck in your decision, but hope to see you at ucla!
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I'm not really afraid of hard work, it's just I don't want to be "worn out." My student interviewer and other people I know in UCLA Dental told me to "expect the worst," so I thought to myself do I really want to put myself in that situation? I haven't heard anything this bad at other schools. I'm willing to put in hard work but honestly who wouldn't want to go through school with an easier time?EyeAmCommi said:
Haha, dang that's harsh...nothen2do said:
Why haven't any Columbia people defended their school? 😕
On another note, why do some people type "." or "..."? What's the point of that?
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enginerd said:
Oh boy, I didn't know this. My interviewer also said UCLA was hard when I told him that I was interested in doing research while going to school. You're starting to make me worried!
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you are not going to have an "easy time" at columbia, just so u know. and there is only one word to describe these last few posts:
PARANOIA
howie, i am going to UCLA. see u there.
PARANOIA
howie, i am going to UCLA. see u there.
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enginerd said:
you think the pictures posted on the public forum show us having fun...you should see the ones that aren't posted!
but, like someone did say, columbia is hard the first year (at least the pre-spring break when anatomy-ruled-our-lives-period) but there is still plenty of time to kick back and enjoy. and especially now, there is so much time to enjoy the city and the company of your fellow goofball classmates. 3rd and 4th year do seem to be much easier than 1st and 2nd years--i was talking to a 4th year yesterday who said that she thought 1st year was the hardest (which made me feel good, knowing that i have already weathered the worst).
in the end, it's all about being an optimist and thinking positively. some ppl are perpetual b*tchers who love complaining even when things are laid back and there's really not any work to do. and some ppl are just go-getters, who get the work done so they can have fun later on. the environment, the school, will not change the type of person you are--you won't have free time or enjoy dental school based on where you go, but rather your work and life motto.
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KAP said:
Kap, did you decide?
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dat_student said:
UCLA was actually founded May 23, 1919 as the Southern Branch of the University of California. Its named was changed to UCLA in 1927.
Go Bruins!
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UCLA for sure!
I mean, it's no UCSF by any stretch, but UCLA is a decent school.
I mean, it's no UCSF by any stretch, but UCLA is a decent school.
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vandy_yankee said:
This is one of the best things i have seen posted on here. I totally agree!
Personally, I chose UCLA for a lot of reasons...
More importantly, the advice that I received from my two bosses might be helpful for others (they are both recent grads from UCSF ortho...one attended UCLA for dental school and one attended Columbia).
The Columbia grad said that he liked Columbia and it got him to where he is today (great orthodontist from a top ortho program), BUT if he had the chance he would have gone to UCLA. He definitely suggested UCLA over Columbia for me...no good specifics for why come to mind...
The UCLA grad had nothing but great things to say about UCLA...and he is one of those "go getter" positive attitude types mentioned above!
