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UCLA vs. UCSF
Started by mcshow2
drhobie7 said:
I asked a serious question. UCLA is a great school. I don't want to devalue the school. UCLA is one of my top choices. I'd very much like to know where UCLA's patients wait/sit (level B, level A, etc.) I have never seen any patients in the waiting area next to the admissions office.
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TimR said:
TimR, out of curiosity, how many times have you apologized to me? TimR, your jokes are not appropriate. I have never posted jokes in reply to any of your posts. I didn't ask questions about UCSF School of Medicine and I didn't even compare UCSF with UCLA. Please, let others answer my question. Thanks so much in advance.
dat_student said:
If you are invited to interview you will see it and the rest of the school. If that doesn't happen you can always sign up to be one of my patients. But you have to let me do partial coverage gold on your anterior 6.
On the A level you will find: Oral Surgery Clinic, Maxillofacial Pros Clinic. The only people that wait in the area next to admissions are anxious dental school applicants waiting to be interviewed. And trauma patients for oral surgery who are confused.
On the B level you will find: Implant Clinic, Perio Surgery Clinic, Weintraub Pros Clinic.
On the 1st level you will find: The General Clinic Lobby. If you don't see the Lobby you're in the wrong building.
But on a serious note, much like zoo animals, our patients don't like to be disturbed. Please do not pet or feed them.
p.s. humor is your only hope at retaining sanity throughout dental school.
drhobie7 said:
drhobie7, thanks a lot. UCLA has invited me. Hopefully, I'll learn much more about UCLA in the next few weeks. 😉
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miravyn said:
No. I'll try to go before Dec 1st
So far, this seems to be the conclusion:CookSux said:
UCLA *UCSF
A whole campus! *Only [a] graduate programs
Many student groups *Not as many student groups [but free food]
Footbal team *No football team
Intercollegiate sports *No intercollegiate sports
[A whole workout gym *Small workout gym] NOT SURE ABOUT THIS ONE
Better weather *Good weather, but not as sunny
Great city *Great city as well
Vegetarian friendly *[ vegetarian friendly ]
Not as much ethnic food *Many ethnic food nearby
Everything far apart *Everything closer together
Beach nearby *Beach nearby
Not as gay friendly *More gay friendly
Dean not as available *Dean "seems" more available
wild lemur * no wild lemur
CookSux said:
Unless you're Steve 'The Crocodile Hunter' Irwin you probably won't find the species you're looking for.
Seriously though, there has been so much written all you need do is search for "UCLA". You'll find ample information, both positive and negative.
miravyn said:
I think this just goes to show you can't let anyone decide the positives and negatives of a school for you. You will undoubtedly see things differently. You have to figure it out for yourself. The only thing other pre-dents can offer is the occasional unbiased fact, which is pretty hard to come by no matter how many statistics you have. 🙂
miravyn said:
I believe all the schools that I have visited are great. They all have many pluses.
UCLA's philosophy. During the preclinical years, we are trained to perform the best and most ideal work we could ever imagine. With this high standard, we are likely to apply in real life, so this is why we are very very picky. For one minor thing, it could turn out a big deal.
I have visited a few schools and saw a lot of patients waiting. Yes, just waiting. For some reason, I guess our students do a good job greeting them and start their procedure right away so that the patients dont have to sit in the newly renovated lobby the whole day looking at our preventive poster or each other. No, sadly we dont have a tv. Seriously, I think the reason why we dont have patient waiting is that all our patients are scheduled ahead of time and we dont like to see them sitting around. There are constant annoucement telling the student dentist their patient has arrived...
I went to the lobby and it was so crowded today (usually ~9 and ~2pm are the highest traffic period). Since we couldnt really do anything after 3:30 or 4pm, it makes no sense to see any patients in the lobby. And the system how patient is screened is way too complicated to explain. Once you are in and graduate, u may know how it works.
One huge suggestion for applicants is to sit thru classes and more importantly visit the 4th and 3rd floor lab AFTER HOURS. Of cos, ask for permission first. Without faculty supervision, you are likely to hear the true voice from students. Let me know your interview date. I couldnt show u to the clinic side, but at least I could bring u to the preclinical lab and chat with different students.
I would have to say, most of students like our school and will give u good feedbacks. (except 1 or 2 wks before finals). Occassionally, people might be a little bit bitter, so just treat them as the worst case scenario that will happen to you.
I have visited a few schools and saw a lot of patients waiting. Yes, just waiting. For some reason, I guess our students do a good job greeting them and start their procedure right away so that the patients dont have to sit in the newly renovated lobby the whole day looking at our preventive poster or each other. No, sadly we dont have a tv. Seriously, I think the reason why we dont have patient waiting is that all our patients are scheduled ahead of time and we dont like to see them sitting around. There are constant annoucement telling the student dentist their patient has arrived...
I went to the lobby and it was so crowded today (usually ~9 and ~2pm are the highest traffic period). Since we couldnt really do anything after 3:30 or 4pm, it makes no sense to see any patients in the lobby. And the system how patient is screened is way too complicated to explain. Once you are in and graduate, u may know how it works.
One huge suggestion for applicants is to sit thru classes and more importantly visit the 4th and 3rd floor lab AFTER HOURS. Of cos, ask for permission first. Without faculty supervision, you are likely to hear the true voice from students. Let me know your interview date. I couldnt show u to the clinic side, but at least I could bring u to the preclinical lab and chat with different students.
I would have to say, most of students like our school and will give u good feedbacks. (except 1 or 2 wks before finals). Occassionally, people might be a little bit bitter, so just treat them as the worst case scenario that will happen to you.
dat_student said:
ecdoesit said:
Thanks so much for the explanation & suggestion.
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dat_student said:
that is the most a$$backwards list i've ever seen. i seriously hope you're not really considering these things plusses and minuses. for example, the dean not available. i'm in dental school and i couldn't pick my dean out of a lineup. not to mention i couldn't even give you one reason why i would want to talk to him/her. and how can you state that LA doesn't have ethnic food? pretty much every big city has lots of ethnic food. i'm really not trying to rip on you, but i just don't understand your logic
superchris147 said:
That is jk5177's original list (page #2 of this thread) modified by drhobie7, dready, netsn06, nothen2do, dat_student and a few other posters.
o ya, the first thing the dean talked to the current first year is that his door is always open to students. so, i guess my dean is available to students. most of the student affairs is processed thru student affairs office though.
SF is much smaller in size. They have restaurants everywhere. LA has a lot more in numbers, but SF just packed with them. In term of distance, their chinatown is a lot closer and i dont eat at LA chinatown.
SF is much smaller in size. They have restaurants everywhere. LA has a lot more in numbers, but SF just packed with them. In term of distance, their chinatown is a lot closer and i dont eat at LA chinatown.
superchris147 said:
mcshow2 said:
ok let's add it to the list then:
UCLA *UCSF
A whole campus! *Only [a] graduate programs [jk5177]
Many student groups *Not as many student groups [but free food] [dready]
Footbal team *No football team [jk5177]
Intercollegiate sports *No intercollegiate sports [jk5177]
[A whole workout gym *Small workout gym] NOT SURE ABOUT THIS ONE
Better weather *Good weather, but not as sunny [jk5177]
Great city *Great city as well [jk5177]
Vegetarian friendly *[ vegetarian friendly ] [jk5177 & dready]
Not as much ethnic food *Many ethnic food nearby [jk5177]
Everything far apart *Everything closer together [jk5177]
Beach nearby *Beach nearby [jk5177]
Not as gay friendly *More gay friendly [drhobie7]
Dean not as available *Dean "seems" more available [jk5177]
wild lemur * no wild lemur [drhobie7]
farther from china town*closer to china town [ecdoesit]
Close to Lauren and Kristen from Laguna Beach*Farther from the stunning little harlots [mcshow2]
drhobie7 said:
I apologize.
UCLA *UCSF
A whole campus! *Only [a] graduate programs [jk5177]
Many student groups *Not as many student groups[jk5177] [but a lot of free food[dready]]
Footbal team *No football team [jk5177]
Intercollegiate sports *No intercollegiate sports [jk5177]
[A whole workout gym *Small workout gym] NOT SURE ABOUT THIS ONE
Better weather *Good weather, but not as sunny [jk5177]
Great city *Great city as well [jk5177]
Vegetarian friendly *[ vegetarian friendly ] [jk5177 & dready]
Not as much ethnic food *Many ethnic food nearby [jk5177]
Everything far apart *Everything closer together [jk5177]
Beach nearby *Beach nearby [jk5177]
Not as gay friendly *More gay friendly [jk5177]
Fewer hippies. *Way more hippies. [drhobie7]
Dean not as available *Dean "seems" more available [jk5177]
wild lemur * no wild lemur [drhobie7]
farther from china town*closer to china town [ecdoesit]
Close to Lauren and Kristen from Laguna Beach*Farther from the stunning little harlots [mcshow2]
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I have something to add too.
I bet UCLA has a pretty high ER rate.
Well, even though our patients are not likely to experience trauma,
students visit ER a lot.
in our class, we have at least 2 or 3 students visit ER because of serious infection/flu/seizure. And from class of 2009, 1 guy or gal dropped out/readmitted next year because of some disease.
This is the major thing! Not to mention the minor thing such as hand got burned, cut urself with surgical blades, burs in preclinical labs, etc. I am wearing a wax master tip wound on my arm right now. With so much labwork, please expect to have a few scar when u leave. No pain no gain, I guess.
So, my recommendation is to take Vitamin C daily and have good health. Luckily our weather is around 80 in Nov, so the chance of being sick is minimal.
BTW, the sch would care less if u die as long as you follow the proper procedure to clear your absence. They put complete faith in us to take care of ourselves.
I bet UCLA has a pretty high ER rate.
Well, even though our patients are not likely to experience trauma,
students visit ER a lot.
in our class, we have at least 2 or 3 students visit ER because of serious infection/flu/seizure. And from class of 2009, 1 guy or gal dropped out/readmitted next year because of some disease.
This is the major thing! Not to mention the minor thing such as hand got burned, cut urself with surgical blades, burs in preclinical labs, etc. I am wearing a wax master tip wound on my arm right now. With so much labwork, please expect to have a few scar when u leave. No pain no gain, I guess.
So, my recommendation is to take Vitamin C daily and have good health. Luckily our weather is around 80 in Nov, so the chance of being sick is minimal.
BTW, the sch would care less if u die as long as you follow the proper procedure to clear your absence. They put complete faith in us to take care of ourselves.
ecdoesit said:
You're not actually saying UCLA is to blame for students having the flu, epilepsy, or some other disease are you? Because that would be completely ridiculous. Come on Eric, we do not "visit the ER a lot", unless your class has a disproportionate number of clumsy students that I don't know about. And 3 students out of 88 visiting the ER is nothing, especially when you consider the crazy equipment we work with on a daily basis: high speed lathes, gas/air torches, 400K rpm drills, all the knives and scalpels, and toxic chemicals with the potential to elicit new allergies. Throw in the fact that many students don't wear protective goggles or take appropriate safety precautions and it's a miracle all 88 haven't wound up wheelchair bound. Obviously, I'm exaggerating. Wait til you start working with patients and get your first blood borne exposure. It happens to everyone eventually.
Don't be a sissy. You're in dental school now. Think of it like the Marine Corps.
ecdoesit said:
Of course they put faith in us to take care of ourselves. We are (supposedly) adults. FYI, high dose vitamin C has never been proven effective at preventing any sort of illness. And what are you talking about when you say the school could care less if you died? Dude, you're being ridiculous.
Of course they put faith in us to take care of ourselves. We are (supposedly) adults. FYI, high dose vitamin C has never been proven effective at preventing any sort of illness. And what are you talking about when you say the school could care less if you died? Dude, you're being ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
what about scurvy.... aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr.
what about scurvy.... aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr.
TimR said:
High dose of vitamin C doesn't cause scurvy:
Vitamin C (i.e. ascorbic acid) is necessary to maintain the enzyme prolyl hydroxylase in an active form. The hydroxylation of proline and lysine in procollagen is carried out by the enzyme prolyl hydroxylase using vitamin C as a cofactor. A vitamin C deficiency results in an underhydroxylation of proline and lysine in collagen which results in a lower melting temperature of the resulting collagen fibers which causes a breakdown of the protein collagen needed for connective tissue, bones and dentin, the major portion of teeth. When capillaries lose collagen (i.e. the "glue" that holds them together) symptoms of scurvy appear.
dat_student said:
It has more to do with the periodontal ligament than capillaries (if capillaries are involved at all, which I doubt because then capillaries all over the body would be affected not just intra-orally). The PDL has the highest turnover of any ligament in the body, hence it is affected first by defective collagen synthesis.
drhobie7 said:
All capillaries are involved:
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/s/scurvy/symptoms.htm
Bleeding symptoms**
..........Weak capillaries
..........Fingertip bleeding
..........Bruises
..........Bruising easily
..........Bleeding from old scars
..........Internal bleeding
Dental symptoms
..........Swollen purple spongy gums
..........Bleeding gums
**Bleeding severity can range from mild local bleeding at a small injury to massive hemorrhage. Internal bleeding may also show via blood in stool, blood in urine, or gastrointestinal bleeding.
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drhobie7 said:
The periodontal ligament (PDL) [gingival, trans-septal and alveolodental] is also composed of collagen (taut collagen fibre bundles, called Sharpeys). They help anchor cementum to alveolar bone (i.e. help prevent teeth from falling out). Vitamin C deficiency affects collage. Thus, PDL which is composed of collagen is also directly affected. We have many blood vessels within the periodontal ligament. Thus, the blood vessels within the priodontal ligament can also indirectly affect the PDL and the firm anchorage.
I am NOT sure how proprioception works.
drhobie7 said:Thanks for the education.That's a nice hypothesis. You are so silly. Please tell me more about this thing...the peeeriodontal leegament?
drhobie, you are so silly. I didn't hypothesize 😉 Have a great day.
[You keep changing your post]
greenday said:
NO, YOU ARE SOOOO WRONG!!! Didn't you watch this season!?!?!?
Stephen and lauren both decided to move back to L.A. Stephen said, "You know, I knew I wouldn't graduate from here [SFSU]; I already absorbed all I could absorb from SF."
And then Lauren hooked up with Jason, until she saw him kiss his old girlfriend Jessica. Oh my gosh, so much to tell, so little time. PM me if you have any more questions. 😉 😉 😉 😉 😉 😉
