UCSD v UCI v UCSB

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Hey guys! So I will be majoring in Bio and plan to move on to medical school after college. I will either be pre-med, pre-dentist, or pre-optometry as of now. Soooo, which school would be my better option? What are the pros/cons of each school? THANK YOU SO MUCH!!

Also, would any UCI student care to further explain to me what the CAMP program is? I was invited to the CAMP Open House but I'm not exactly sure of what it is or what's even going on.

And if it helps, I've been admitted to the John Muir College at SD.

Btw, I'm new here so I'm sorry if this isn't the right place to post this..

Once again, thanks a lot!!

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This is the right place. 😀

I can't speak to UCSD and UCSB but I can probably answer any questions on UCI you have(just graduated last year and going to medical school in the fall). That being said I am not familiar with CAMP. Here is the website: http://www.cfep.uci.edu/camp/about.html

UCSD is probably the most well known of the three but honestly they are all great schools and none of them are going to hold you back.

Let me know if you have specific questions at UCI!
 
Ok thanks a lot! Would you say there are a lot of research/internship opportunities? And how are the science classes and professors? How hard is to do well while maintaining a social life? Is there a lot of access to tutoring or other similar services if needed? Thanks so much!!
 
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Ok thanks a lot! Would you say there are a lot of research/internship opportunities?

Definitely plenty of opportunities. You will have no problem finding research if you just try. I started research as a freshman and only had to ask 1 person....Plenty of research opportunities both on the main campus and on the hospital campus. If you show genuine interest you will find plenty of opportunities.

Internship opportunities can be more tricky since there are a lot of pre-meds the volunteer positions tend to be hard to get. That being said I never met anyone that wanted to volunteer and couldn't find a positon somewhere(having a car is nice for this). Hoag has something called CCE that is very popular but I never did it. Instead I volunteered at a student run free clinic and was able to take on a lot of responsibility there. There are a actually a lot of clinics in the greater Orange County area that would probably be great experiences for pre-med students but surprisingly most pre-meds I know at UCI focus on trying to volunteer in hospital. As long as you are willing to work and not flakey you can find many great opportunities.

And how are the science classes and professors? How hard is to do well while maintaining a social life?

The introduction bio/chem classes(Bio 93-94-97-98-99 and Chem 1A-B-C, 51A-B-C) are all big lectures. I imagine this would be the same at UCSB and UCSD. I liked most of my professors and built relationships with a handful that allowed me to get strong letters. I don't know if I ever had a professor I hated but there is a wide spectrum of people who excel at teaching and people who could use a little help. For the most part though there are a lot of exceptional professors and great TAs.

The classes are certainly not easy but I honestly didn't feel like I had to give up any semblance of a life to succeed in them. I always went to class but only studied a few hours a week otherwise. Keep in mind probably around 2000 people come in as Biology majors and about 1000 graduate as Bio(a lot of this may be choice but some of it is definitely due to people struggling in the intro courses). The big classes the first two years are curved something like: 10% Ds/Fs 35% Cs 35% Bs 17% As (probably more Bs and less Cs to be honest). They tend to adjust the grades so the average is somewhere around a C+/B-. The first two years the hardest. Once you get the upper division courses you know how to study, can take what you want and besides a few large upper division courses(D103, N110, E109, M122...) the upper division courses are graded pretty nicely.

Is there a lot of access to tutoring or other similar services if needed? Thanks so much!!

Yup. The Bio and Chem departments both have drop in tutoring that ranges in usefulness from awesome to horrible depending on who the tutor is. Also you have http://www.larc.uci.edu/ which offers small group tutorials for a lot of the core courses. It is a great resource but I am probably biased since I worked for them for four years.

Let me know if you have more questions. 👍
 
The feel and culture of each of those schools is actually really different so I would recommend you visit them if you can (if you haven't already) to help you make your decision.

UCI and UCSD send a lot more students to medical school than UCSB, but that doesn't mean that people from UCSB don't go to medical school. There's also probably a lot of self-selection bias going on as well.
 
I really wish I could go to UCSD
 
As far as reputation goes, UCSD is the best. As far as fun goes, UCSB. Academically UCI is probably second best, but is located right in the middle of the city instead of on the coast like UCSD/SB.
 
As far as reputation goes, UCSD is the best. As far as fun goes, UCSB. Academically UCI is probably second best, but is located right in the middle of the city instead of on the coast like UCSD/SB.

UCI is not directly on the coast like SB and is farther than UCSD but not by a ton. UCI is not in the middle of Irvine, it sits on the border between Irvine and Newport Beach and the Chancellor's house(which sits on a hill overlooking UCI) also has a (slightly distant) view of the ocean. It is about 4 miles from the nearest beach(Corona del Mar). :laugh:
 
i am a UCSD alumni now heading towards dental school. looking back now... i would choose the school that will enable me to get the highest GPA and is the CHEAPEST. names are pretty irrelevant when you apply to schools rather what you do in those schools will make you stand out as an applicant.
 
Wow thanks so much Tots!! Now you said that a car would be useful for getting to internship/volunteer things....what if I don't have a car?
 
ddsmission,

CORRECTION: UCI and UCSD would BOTH be $5,400! W/ work-study, UCI is $3,900 and SD is $2,600.

So doing work-study would make SD cheaper for me. But would doing work-study even be worth it? It'd be a $2,800 difference
 
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I only by chance saw this since I don't pop into the forum here. Another UCSD (JMC) alumni checking in.. so you have any questions ask away.


With that out of the way, let me say that I would go to UCSB.
 
Hi CsHead! So I have pretty much the same questions to ask you that I asked Tots..Would you say there are a lot of research/internship opportunities? And how are the science classes and professors? How hard is to do well while maintaining a social life? Is there a lot of access to tutoring or other similar services if needed? And why do you say that you would choose SB over SD? Thanks so much!!
 
If you have a car, I would go SD. Also, i would very strongly disagree that UCSB is more fun than UCSD. I will admit that ucsb has more social people, but as far as things to do in the city go? SD wins in a heartbeat. If you can find good friends, San Diego is amazing! If you get a chance Google/yelp: downtown SD (tons of clubs nightlife, gorgeous girls), little italy (date area), north park (hipster area), Hillcrest (LGBT community/datey area), Pacific beach/mission beach (college bar scene), local breweries, petco park (absolutely breath taking stadium), Coronado (datey, classy area), downtown La Jolla (think Beverly hills with a beach), Del mar (hipster/surfery/artistry area), late night Mexican joints . . . o . . . And don't forget the beaches.

Sb? There's the IV (bro central aka HIV) and the beach. Sweeeet.

If you're a social guy/gal and willing to work outside your comfort zone to make friends, go to SD.

I would say avoid UCI just b/c i know a lot of ppl treat it as a commuter school.

Honestly? All UCs (even the supposedly "lowly" ucr) will provide you with a great pre med education and prepare yourself for medical school. If research is really your thhaaaaang, which I thought too going into UCSD but later realized I hated, I would say UCSD would b your best bet. You have UCSD, the Scripps research institute and a plethora of other facilities within a mile or two of each other.

Edit: plz don't take offense to this, but alot of schools have a lot of pre-med hopefuls that end up burning out. I hope this comes off as a constructive comment b/c that's how I mean it. You need to consider a plan b option if med school doesn't work out. Pick the school that will best position you for a plan b career in case you later on find out that being a pre med isn't for you. In that case I would rank UCSD = UCI > UCSB
 
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If you have a car, I would go SD. Also, i would very strongly disagree that UCSB is more fun than UCSD. I will admit that ucsb has more social people, but as far as things to do in the city go? SD wins in a heartbeat. If you can find good friends, San Diego is amazing! If you get a chance Google/yelp: downtown SD (tons of clubs nightlife, gorgeous girls), little italy (date area), north park (hipster area), Hillcrest (LGBT community/datey area), Pacific beach/mission beach (college bar scene), local breweries, petco park (absolutely breath taking stadium), Coronado (datey, classy area), downtown La Jolla (think Beverly hills with a beach), Del mar (hipster/surfery/artistry area), late night Mexican joints . . . o . . . And don't forget the beaches.

Sb? There's the IV (bro central aka HIV) and the beach. Sweeeet.

If you're a social guy/gal and willing to work outside your comfort zone to make friends, go to SD.

I'm going to start here first (out of order). I disagree with you on SD over SB for a college kid. This man is going to college, not starting out in a 50k year a job with great potential. I can't think of many things you can do in SD that you can't do in SB. Also, HIV central? Real mature bro 🙄

PB is more of a working 20's bar scene... once you live in a college town you realize this fast. This kid is going to college, he'll have plenty of time for that stuff later. I don't really care to comment on the other stuff/places as it would take too much space and fits more along with my very first comment.

I totally agree with your edit. and that the late night burritos are better down in SD.

Hi CsHead! So I have pretty much the same questions to ask you that I asked Tots..Would you say there are a lot of research/internship opportunities? And how are the science classes and professors? How hard is to do well while maintaining a social life? Is there a lot of access to tutoring or other similar services if needed? And why do you say that you would choose SB over SD? Thanks so much!!

There are tons of research opportunities on campus, but I would NOT worry about any of that until you're winter quarter/spring quarter your sophomore year at the earliest. Don't even think about it... Enjoy yourself, take up a few new hobbies, do the thing that makes you feel great, often. Explore those around you and your new setting.

I'm also not going to go into much detail on the science classes and professors. It's hit or miss, look online at reviews and seek out the professors for what you want. There are good ones and bad ones. With the exception of labs, they're all going to be gigantic cluster***** anyway.

Doing well and having a social life is all about YOU! You can do it anywhere, but the pieces to having the kind of social life YOU want might not be everywhere. Let me say that again, having a social life and doing well in school is all about YOU!. Put in the work in school and you can still enjoy yourself as much as you want, every week... but it never hurts to figure out how you study best now.. and don't kill yourself if it takes some time to adjust. There is free tutoring everywhere. One of the big things is learning how to ask for help.. no one is going to guide you.. you're an adult now.


I would choose SB over SD on the social scene alone. Everything else you can get on your own with some hard work as it's purely based on you. Not even the Greek System at UCSD is that good because of La Jolla (I don't think it's good at UCI either but I'll let someone else comment). If you have any other specific questions, just ask.



I would recommend you go to the funnest place possible and grow into yourself from there. The atmosphere on the SD campus can be pretty toxic if you don't find out who you are and what you want fast. Depending on that answer, the rest of the campus can be toxic anyway, but at least you can still do you :laugh:

My real opinion is that going to any school that doesn't have a football team with real school spirit is a terrible decision
 
Hi CsHead! So I have pretty much the same questions to ask you that I asked Tots..Would you say there are a lot of research/internship opportunities? And how are the science classes and professors? How hard is to do well while maintaining a social life? Is there a lot of access to tutoring or other similar services if needed? And why do you say that you would choose SB over SD? Thanks so much!!

Just stumbled upon this thread too by chance. I'm a UCSD alumni who just graduated last spring of 2012 and attending medical school this fall.

In terms of research opportunity, there are a ton. You can go through the school programs such as the Academic Enrichment Program (http://aep.ucsd.edu), Faculty Mentor Program (http://hmp3.ucsd.edu), Amgen Scholars Program, McNair Program (both found here http://students.ucsd.edu/academics/research), and if all that fails, you can always ask professors to do research with them. There's the Salk Institute, The Scripps Research Institute, and several other buildings that exclusively house research (Leichtag, Cellular & Molecular Medicine, VA Hospital, Sanford Consortium, etc.), so there's no shortage of research opportunities available. Almost every science major I know has worked or volunteered in a lab during their stay or after they graduated from UCSD. You can even go abroad with a doctor to do public health research like I did at UCSD. San Diego is known for being a biotech giant.

Doing well while maintaining a social life is up to your time management skills that you currently have and that you'll develop. You'll soon learn that when you live in a dorm environment, your suite-mates/roommates/friends all have similar goals of doing well in college, so you work together during midterms/finals or for projects. You're surrounded by intellectuals, which allows you to have quality discussions and access to help when you need it from your peers. It becomes easier to be motivated to study when everyone else is studying and invites you to study with them and it's also easier to go out and have fun when everyone else wants to too. From what I hear about UCSB, I say that the party scene at UCSD isn't as forced in your face, but I really can't say much since I've never attended UCSB. It'll also be WAY easier for you to maintain a social life because you'll be in John Muir College, which has the lightest general education requirements.

For tutoring services, you have http://oasis.ucsd.edu which is the main, free tutoring service that gives you extra help in every general education requirement and even some upper division ones (organic chemistry and bio to be more specific). For every lecture, there's a separate smaller class (up to 25 or in rare cases 30 students) for discussion led by a Teaching Assistant. Consider this as extra help as you can go to as many or as few (or even none sometimes) as you need to understand the course material. I think other schools have this as well. If you can't do either of the two above to help, then you can always go to your professors office hours or email him/her or the TAs for extra help, which you can also do at other schools. And even though the lectures might sometimes be big, there are a few all star professors that are very excellent at teaching the prerequisite classes for medical schools that have written me strong letters of recommendations. When you get a letter of recommendation from a professor that teaches 300 students each quarter and they can say you're in the top 5% of all his/her students, it usually looks more impressive than a letter from a professor who only teaches 10 students a quarter and says the same thing.

In the end, you want to go where you're the most happy. San Diego has definitely treated me well in terms of how much culture it has, the rigor and intrigue of the academics, the social opportunities from living in the residential halls (I lived with the same 12 suite-mates pretty much all 4 years), and the extracurricular opportunities at UCSD. I also got accepted to UCSB, UCI, and UCSD and choose UCSD over the rest.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any more questions!!
 
I don't know much about each of these schools academically having not gone to the schools myself, but I'd say you'd be successful at any one of them as long as you worked hard.
In terms of non-academic stuff....
-UCSB is considered the most social of the 3. It's also near the beach and has great surfing. 🙂 I've been to the campus and it looks like a ton of fun.
-UCSD is the only one I've visited for a college tour. The campus is GORGEOUS. Personally, this is the school I'd pick if I were you. Plus, the area surrounding it (La Jolla) is awesome. Kind of expensive, though.
-UCI is pretty good for pre-health, but compared to Santa Barbara and San Diego, I think Irvine is kind of boring. That's just my opinion, though. I know a couple of people that go there and they love it.

Good luck in your decision!
 
Irvine is a great school, plus it's within driving distance of Los Angeles = more hospitals to volunteer at.
 
Irvine is a great school, plus it's within driving distance of Los Angeles = more hospitals to volunteer at.

Yeah but you'll never want to drive to Los Angeles since traffic going there is so bad (I commute from OC to West LA every weekday). There are quite a few hospitals and clinics to volunteer at in Orange County, such as hoag, choc, and UCI medical center just to name a few.
 
Yeah but you'll never want to drive to Los Angeles since traffic going there is so bad (I commute from OC to West LA every weekday). There are quite a few hospitals and clinics to volunteer at in Orange County, such as hoag, choc, and UCI medical center just to name a few.

Haha. Good point.
 
Thank you all so much!! There's a TON of great advice in this thread 🙂
Soooo, I think I'm going to go with UCSD. I was leaning towards it originally but this thread has reinforced my decision
 
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