UF Pharmacy Students - Textbook question

[volleychica]

I will be a 1PD at the St. Pete campus this August and am starting to look at textbooks. I saw a "tentative" textbook list on the UF website, so I don't know if I would be wasting my money if I bought them before a "final" list comes out. I have read on some other threads that some people don't buy the textbooks but instead rely more on class notes. I was wondering what your experiences have been in the book-buying adventure, particularly with UF. I was wondering if older editions are just as effective as the newest edition (particularly for the biochemistry book). Also, do you usually keep the books you use or do you end up selling them back to the bookstore or to other students? Is there somewhere on campus where upperclassmen post the books they have to sell, like it was in undergrad? Sorry if this seems like 20 questions. 🙂 Thanks for any input!

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[kellia]

I will be a 1PD at the St. Pete campus this August and am starting to look at textbooks. I saw a "tentative" textbook list on the UF website, so I don't know if I would be wasting my money if I bought them before a "final" list comes out. I have read on some other threads that some people don't buy the textbooks but instead rely more on class notes. I was wondering what your experiences have been in the book-buying adventure, particularly with UF. I was wondering if older editions are just as effective as the newest edition (particularly for the biochemistry book). Also, do you usually keep the books you use or do you end up selling them back to the bookstore or to other students? Is there somewhere on campus where upperclassmen post the books they have to sell, like it was in undergrad? Sorry if this seems like 20 questions. 🙂 Thanks for any input!

I'm not really sure what books are on that list, but I found the biochem book quite useful. Although some may argue that it's not completely necessary, I used it to study for each exam and ended up doing well. If you can, though, try to get it used and save some $$$. The PBD book probably could have been useful too, but I really only opened it once or twice. Typically at the end of the term or beginning of the next, you'll start getting emails from students trying to sell their books, or they will post on the webct or blackboard site (This site is where you'll live for the next four years- that's where the lectures, grades, and discussions are posted).

Good luck!🙂

 

[tennismn]

That's a hard question to answer, because there is going to be a new biochem professor for the fall. The old professor left around Christmas for a position in California, and I haven't heard who is going to take over for him. While there is usually more than one professor teaching a course, he wrote the majority of the tests.

I got a lot out of the biochemistry book. While you certainly can get by with the notes, the book gave a lot of background, and was really helpful for those who haven't taken biochem before, or took it a long time ago.

I looked at an older version of the biochem book before I bought mine, and it seemed extremely similar. If there's a copy at the library, see if you can use that for the first week or two of classes. If the notes are enough, you might not need to purchase it. If you realize that you're using the book a lot during that time, and the notes aren't enough, then you'll have time to buy the book.

 

[dgroulx]

It's been 4 years since I was a 1PD. I bought all the books and used none of them. I still have them on the shelf. I took biochem in undergrad, so I didn't really need to study for that. I would wait and see if you get assignments. If you are using any of the same texts that I used, you can have them for practically nothing. I'm going to get rid of just about all my books.

 

[ForcedEntry]

I will give you $1 over practically nothing. 😀

 

[usi]

I used the Biochem, now you guys will not have one of the professors this year, so things may be different.
I did not have time to look at the Physiology book, although I would have liked to.
I never bought some of the books, and got copies of some important pages.
Save your money. Hope it helps.

I have not been in this forum since school started last year.
I forgot how much fun it was.

 

[ForcedEntry]

I have not been in this forum since school started last year.
I forgot how much fun it was.

Has Caverject told you what he does with warm soapy water? <shudders>

 

[ethyl]

I suggest buying the books for Dosage Forms, Biochem and PBD (for the few reading assignments). Get them all off www.half.com .Once you get your syllabus for IPHC, go to your campus library and make copies of all the reading assignments from the books on reserve.
You would also do well with the study guides and notes provided by the c/o2010 on Pharmer_Craig.

-Pharmer Mike 👍

 

[volleychica]

I suggest buying the books for Dosage Forms, Biochem and PBD (for the few reading assignments). Get them all off www.half.com .Once you get your syllabus for IPHC, go to your campus library and make copies of all the reading assignments from the books on reserve.
You would also do well with the study guides and notes provided by the c/o2010 on Pharmer_Craig.

-Pharmer Mike 👍

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. About buying older versions... good idea or bad? I guess it might depend on the teacher, just like it did in undergrad. Any thoughts? Thanks again!

 

[GreenMonster]

ummm, how do i check my uf email? i just signed up for gatorlink or whatever but i dont know what to do now...

 

[imperial frog]

Don't get a tentative textbok...they have changed these at the last moment in the past and you might wind up with an old edition or a different book.

 

[ageldred]

ummm, how do i check my uf email? i just signed up for gatorlink or whatever but i dont know what to do now...

go to http://webmail.ufl.edu and that should get you started.

 

[ageldred]

Don't get a tentative textbok...they have changed these at the last moment in the past and you might wind up with an old edition or a different book.

Really? wow thanks for the advice. I am one of those nerds that always buys every book for the most part. (Except speech....I mean seriously that needs a book?!?!) Anywho...I guess I'll wait until the syllabus is posted in WebCT, probably a week or so before classes start I would guess. I wouldn't want to waste a lot of money on useless books.

 

[imperial frog]

Really? wow thanks for the advice. I am one of those nerds that always buys every book for the most part. (Except speech....I mean seriously that needs a book?!?!) Anywho...I guess I'll wait until the syllabus is posted in WebCT, probably a week or so before classes start I would guess. I wouldn't want to waste a lot of money on useless books.

If you don't want to waste money on useless books, wait to buy them until you actually find out if there's going to be an assignment that you need them for...even if they are on the syllabus. I spent $120 on one "required" text and then the chapters were posted for us on WebCT, but by the time we found out that they were going to provide us with the readings the time to return the book had passed.

To be honest, in first year I used the PBD text exactly once (they didn't cover hepatitis in lecture so we had to read 2-3 pages). I found that my undergrad A&P references were much better and had clearer pictures. The Bio book was useful because I hadn't had any in undergrad, but there's a new prof so I can't say how it is taught now. The medchem/kinetics packets are mandatory purchases because the notes are provided so you don't have write down as much yourself...unless you like writing. Pharmacology really didn't require a text but there was some talk of going with a different one so the class might reference it more in the future.

The only texts I would say are truly must-gets are Pharmacotherapy, both Rx and OTC ones...you will use these a lot.

 

[StringTheorist]

ok then, let me get this straight:
PHA 5451 Clinical Biochemistry Textbook of Biochemistry with Clinical Correlations Devlin 6th Ed. 0471411361 Required
I counted 4 "yes"s on this one, so i should buy it

PHA 5100 Dosage Forms I Pharmaceutical Dosage Forms and Drug Delivery Systems Ansel et al 8th Ed. 0781746124 Required
one "yes", not sure
PHA 5433 Fundamentals of Medicinal Chemistry Review of Organic Functional Groups; Course Packet (availability TBA) Lemke 4th Ed. 0781743818 Required
its a course packet, so i assume it is required. the text, not so sure... anyone?

Course Packet-purchase location TBA by each campus
PHA 5560C Physiological Basis of Disease I Pathophysiology Porth 7th Ed. *0781749883 Required
ditto for the course packet, and ? on the text... i got one yes, one no, one maybe?

PHA 5727 Intro. to Pharmacy Healthcare Clinical Skills for Pharmacists: A Patient-Focused Approach Tietze 2nd Ed. 0323024734 Required
no clue

Supervision: A Pharmacy Perspective Wick 1st Ed. 1-58212-013-7 Required
Preventing Medication Errors and Improving Drug Therapy Outcomes
no comments yet

please former 1PDs, tell me what helped and what you ended up not needing, as far as you can remember. thanks!

 

[dgroulx]

If you don't mind having an older edition older of the textbooks, I have available:

Devlin Biochem - 5th edition
Porth Pathophysiology - 6th edition
Review of Organic Functional Groups - 3rd edition
Ansel Dosage Forms - 7th edition
Tietze Clinical Skills - 2nd edition
Hepler Preventing Med Errors - Only edition

You can take all of these off of my hands for $50. Send me a PM if you are interested. There's usually very little differences between editions.

 

[ethyl]

Any suggestions on which books to buy for 2PDs? The list for Fall is...

Basic Principles of Dose Optimization I: Concepts in Clinical Pharmacokinetics DiPiro 4th Ed.

Intro. to Quantitative Methods in Pharmacy: Basic and Clinical Biostatistics Dawson et al 4th Ed

Medicinal Chemistry I: Goodman and Gilman's Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics

Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics I: Goodman and Gilman's Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics

PHA 5782 Pharmacotherapy II:
Pharmacotherapy: A Pathophysiologic Approach Dipiro 6th Ed.

 

[StringTheorist]

If you don't mind having an older edition older of the textbooks, I have available:

Devlin Biochem - 5th edition
Porth Pathophysiology - 6th edition
Review of Organic Functional Groups - 3rd edition
Ansel Dosage Forms - 7th edition
Tietze Clinical Skills - 2nd edition
Hepler Preventing Med Errors - Only edition

You can take all of these off of my hands for $50. Send me a PM if you are interested. There's usually very little differences between editions.

PM sent. hopefully im first 🙂

 

[dgroulx]

Any suggestions on which books to buy for 2PDs? The list for Fall is...

Basic Principles of Dose Optimization I: Concepts in Clinical Pharmacokinetics DiPiro 4th Ed.

Intro. to Quantitative Methods in Pharmacy: Basic and Clinical Biostatistics Dawson et al 4th Ed

Medicinal Chemistry I: Goodman and Gilman's Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics

Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics I: Goodman and Gilman's Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics

PHA 5782 Pharmacotherapy II:
Pharmacotherapy: A Pathophysiologic Approach Dipiro 6th Ed.

I didn't find the Dose Ops book useful, though the students who had a hard time with Dose Ops used it a lot for explanations. The Dose Ops II book for the following semester (by Winter) is worth the money. I'm keeping that book for reference.

Goodman & Gilman's is a great reference, but you don't need it to pass med chem. Just buy the note packets. For pharmacology, everything you need to pass is in the power point slides. It's a really good reference for preparing presentations for Practicum. It's expensive and I didn't buy it.

Pharmacotherapy: Buy the book and keep it for reference.

Biostats: I'd recommend it. Dr. Doug the Data Dude doesn't explain things really well.

Out of these books, I'll sell DiPiro Dose Optimization (3rd ed.) and Dawson Biostats w/CD (4th ed) for $20 total.

I'm just north of Tampa and anyone who wants these needs to pick them up. I don't have time to go to the post office or the UPS store. I also don't want to figure out shipping costs. PM me if interested.

 

[kellia]

It's so funny how different we all are!!! I thought that I learned a bit more from the Dose Op 1 book than the second semester book. It seemed to be simpler (Is this a word??!). But I would recommend getting both. The second semester Dose Op gets a little more tricky, and it helped to have the sample questions in the book to help with the homework.

As far as PTX, like Dana said, get the book for reference. But get the handbook that goes along with the book for sure!!! I used the crap out of that little investment!!! It condenses the big book's chapters into the main highlights. (And it's small so you can carry it around with you!)

Good Luck!🙂

 

[jewess]

Basically just buy Biochem and wing it! You can always buy the text later after assignments are given. I was completely fine with studying only notes the whole year.

 

[ethyl]

I didn't find the Dose Ops book useful, though the students who had a hard time with Dose Ops used it a lot for explanations. The Dose Ops II book for the following semester (by Winter) is worth the money. I'm keeping that book for reference.

Goodman & Gilman's is a great reference, but you don't need it to pass med chem. Just buy the note packets. For pharmacology, everything you need to pass is in the power point slides. It's a really good reference for preparing presentations for Practicum. It's expensive and I didn't buy it.

Pharmacotherapy: Buy the book and keep it for reference.

Biostats: I'd recommend it. Dr. Doug the Data Dude doesn't explain things really well.

Out of these books, I'll sell DiPiro Dose Optimization (3rd ed.) and Dawson Biostats w/CD (4th ed) for $20 total.

I'm just north of Tampa and anyone who wants these needs to pick them up. I don't have time to go to the post office or the UPS store. I also don't want to figure out shipping costs. PM me if interested.

It's so funny how different we all are!!! I thought that I learned a bit more from the Dose Op 1 book than the second semester book. It seemed to be simpler (Is this a word??!). But I would recommend getting both. The second semester Dose Op gets a little more tricky, and it helped to have the sample questions in the book to help with the homework.

As far as PTX, like Dana said, get the book for reference. But get the handbook that goes along with the book for sure!!! I used the crap out of that little investment!!! It condenses the big book's chapters into the main highlights. (And it's small so you can carry it around with you!)

Good Luck!🙂

ya'll rock! Thanks!

 

[StringTheorist]

Did anyone use "Intro to Pharmacy Healthcare Delivery: A Primer for Pharmacists " for the Intro to Pharmacy Healthcare class PHA5727? It's freaking $75 for a paperback. I would rather do without it...