UF to lower class size

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Anytime academia publicly acknowledges the decline in future demand for pharmacists it's a good thing. Although removing 50-100 students from the graduating pool won't do much.
 
Gombrich12 said:
Anytime academia publicly acknowledges the decline in future demand for pharmacists it's a good thing. Although removing 50-100 students from the graduating pool won't do much.
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Yeah won't do much especially since 15-16,000 students are graduating in 2018. It is the first step but I think it will take an additional 4 years of painful unemployment for people to "get it".
 
All4MyDaughter said:
Anyone know if the program had any accreditation issues? Or they may have had their accreditation under the umbrella of the larger UFCOP.
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Yes. The school was cited by ACPE for too high of a student:faculty ratio, as well as poor quality rotation sites. As a UF graduate, I can say that a lot of the classes were useless and I felt like I was nickeled and dimed at every corner. There are a couple classes that were fantastic, and I was fortunate enough to do all of my rotations (yes, all 11) at a single institution where I had an incredible experience. Overall I am happy with my pharmacy educated and I graduated with 95K + 10K interest. I worked 20-30 hr/week to pay for living expenses (P1-P3). They raised tuition from 16K my first year to 24K my last two years, which really pissed me off.

Our school has a new dean (world renowned researcher, BTW) and she has revamped the curriculum and started to decrease the class size as well as hire some talented faculty members. I think great things are on the horizon for UF COP.
 
tungsten87 said:
Yes. The school was cited by ACPE for too high of a student:faculty ratio, as well as poor quality rotation sites. As a UF graduate, I can say that a lot of the classes were useless and I felt like I was nickeled and dimed at every corner. There are a couple classes that were fantastic, and I was fortunate enough to do all of my rotations (yes, all 11) at a single institution where I had an incredible experience. Overall I am happy with my pharmacy educated and I graduated with 95K + 10K interest. I worked 20-30 hr/week to pay for living expenses (P1-P3). They raised tuition from 16K my first year to 24K my last two years, which really pissed me off.

Our school has a new dean (world renowned researcher, BTW) and she has revamped the curriculum and started to decrease the class size as well as hire some talented faculty members. I think great things are on the horizon for UF COP.
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That's helpful info. Thanks for posting. 🙂
 
tungsten87 said:
Yes. The school was cited by ACPE for too high of a student:faculty ratio, as well as poor quality rotation sites. As a UF graduate, I can say that a lot of the classes were useless.
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Poor quality rotations? Useless classes?....but owlegrad graduated from there and he is currently employed at CVS.
 
owlegrad said:
I just think it is funny that you here so much about how the evil greedy schools has cause the over-saturation that has lead to Pharmageddon. But here we have a school that is decreasing class size. Student loans have not gotten harder to get, and students haven't stopped signing up for the nightmare we call pharmacy, so I can only assume that UF has some other, nefarious motive for lowering class size.
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Lol...pharmageddon...that was the name of our P3 bar crawl.

Maybe they just can't find enough rotation sites?
 
As a non trad who went to a remote campus it sucks for the Tampa people who will now have to move if they want to go to school. I forgot that they had raised tuition....must have mentally blocked it.
 
This is good news, but I think it will be another 3-4 years before we see more schools start trimming class sizes. Hopefully prospective students start ignoring the profit-mill schools in droves. It would be great if market pressure forces some of these newer schools and yet-to-be opened schools to close.

tungsten87 said:
Yes. The school was cited by ACPE for too high of a student:faculty ratio, as well as poor quality rotation sites. As a UF graduate, I can say that a lot of the classes were useless and I felt like I was nickeled and dimed at every corner. There are a couple classes that were fantastic, and I was fortunate enough to do all of my rotations (yes, all 11) at a single institution where I had an incredible experience. Overall I am happy with my pharmacy educated and I graduated with 95K + 10K interest. I worked 20-30 hr/week to pay for living expenses (P1-P3). They raised tuition from 16K my first year to 24K my last two years, which really pissed me off.

Our school has a new dean (world renowned researcher, BTW) and she has revamped the curriculum and started to decrease the class size as well as hire some talented faculty members. I think great things are on the horizon for UF COP.
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I think tungsten87 raises some great points. There is capped supply on rotation sites out there. Hopefully the ACPE will continue to cite schools with lacking rotation connections. I have heard that some of the newer schools have restorted to paying for access to more rotations, which places even more tuition burden on students.
 
sakigt said:
As a non trad who went to a remote campus it sucks for the Tampa people who will now have to move if they want to go to school. I forgot that they had raised tuition....must have mentally blocked it.
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There's always Lecom, chief.
 
With a state-supported school (Univ. of South Florida) now open and demonstrably viable (getting ready to graduate its first class in 2015), perhaps the UF administrators decided the Tampa Bay area was adequately covered so that they could close the Seminole satellite program?

Just speculating...
 
D1CE K said:
There's always Lecom, chief.
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The avg PCAT of LECOM's 2013 matriculating class was in the low 40s. I'm not saying they have a reputation as a degree mill.. but if that were my only option, I likely would choose a different profession
 
RxMonkey said:
The avg PCAT of LECOM's 2013 matriculating class was in the low 40s. I'm not saying they have a reputation as a degree mill.. but if that were my only option, I likely would choose a different profession
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that is a very strong statement. I am curious how LECOM graduates fair out there in the market place ??
 
oldstock said:
that is a very strong statement. I am curious how LECOM graduates fair out there in the market place ??
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I can't say that I know the answer to that. Like most graduates, I'm sure they don't have too hard of a time finding a job. But I've been working as a tech for 7 years. During which time I've worked in retail, specialty compounding and LTC in 4 different major markets. I have worked with hundreds of pharmacists. I have yet to work with a LECOM graduate.
 
RxMonkey said:
I can't say that I know the answer to that. Like most graduates, I'm sure they don't have too hard of a time finding a job. But I've been working as a tech for 7 years. During which time I've worked in retail, specialty compounding and LTC in 4 different major markets. I have worked with hundreds of pharmacists. I have yet to work with a LECOM graduate.
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I know now that their PCAT avg for 2013 class is that low. And I know that their rep is not the best in Florida. But to be fair, let's keep an open mind and gather more data to support that statement above. We do not wanna see some angry LECOM people to be complaining here 🙂
 
oldstock said:
I know now that their PCAT avg for 2013 class is that low. And I know that their rep is not the best in Florida. But to be fair, let's keep an open mind and gather more data to support that statement above. We do not wanna see some angry LECOM people to be complaining here 🙂
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I have spent 7 years collecting that data... and I was not implying that LECOM graduates can't find jobs. Reread my post. I just find it odd that I work 10 minutes from their campus and interact with several area pharmacists, and have not yet interacted with a LECOM grad. But you are right, that is just my n=1. And to be fair, LECOM is still relatively new, and they take in a disproportionate amount of out of state students. I assume that a lot of these graduates are more likely to look for work in their home state.
 
RxMonkey said:
I have spent 7 years collecting that data... and I was not implying that LECOM graduates can't find jobs. Reread my post. I just find it odd that I work 10 minutes from their campus and interact with several area pharmacists, and have not yet interacted with a LECOM grad. But you are right, that is just my n=1. And to be fair, LECOM is still relatively new, and they take in a disproportionate amount of out of state students. I assume that a lot of these graduates are more likely to look for work in their home state.
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I did not apply to LECOM but I did some research about Florida's Rx schools when I started my PharmCAS application and heard a lot of bad rap about the school (mostly from the people at the other campus in Pensylvania). But their graduates seem to be doing fine. I do not know their overall stats for residency though.
 
oldstock said:
I did not apply to LECOM but I did some research about Florida's Rx schools when I started my PharmCAS application and heard a lot of bad rap about the school (mostly from the people at the other campus in Pensylvania). But their graduates seem to be doing fine. I do not know their overall stats for residency though.
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I did apply and interview with LECOM (I even payed them a deposit to hold my seat while I waited for my UF interview). I got the PCAT stat from a presentation they did while I was there.

My company has a partnership with LECOM and we have a lot of students rotate there for their IPPEs and APPEs. I talk to a few of them from time to time and one of them mentioned anecdotally, that most of the (then-current) P4s weren't even interested in residency. Again n=1, so take it for what it's worth (not much).
 
RxMonkey said:
The avg PCAT of LECOM's 2013 matriculating class was in the low 40s. I'm not saying they have a reputation as a degree mill.. but if that were my only option, I likely would choose a different profession
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License + Pulse = Employable Pharmacist....
 
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