UIC Out of State'ers

[ace22pmike]

Well, I'll be going to UIC this fall, and I'm from San Diego. That means dealing with illinois's crazy out of state tuition. Any other out of state people have secrets for handling $50,000+ a year? Cuz i'm seriously considering signing up for the navy.

Thanks, and see you in Illinois.

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[notdeadyet]

Well, I'll be going to UIC this fall, and I'm from San Diego. That means dealing with illinois's crazy out of state tuition. Any other out of state people have secrets for handling $50,000+ a year? Cuz i'm seriously considering signing up for the navy.

I think the $52K is just tuition. My aid is earmarked for $72K/year.

No secrets. Personally, I'd read the Military Forum on SDN long and hard before signing up with the service.

 

[justin5790]

I have a related question...does anyone know if it is possible to get in-state tuition after the first year at UIC? Some people have suggested that it may be possible if you earn a significant income, but what about if your spouse is working??

 

[notdeadyet]

I have a related question...does anyone know if it is possible to get in-state tuition after the first year at UIC? Some people have suggested that it may be possible if you earn a significant income, but what about if your spouse is working??

The "significant income" issue means if you can prove that your move to Illinois was not for educational purposes. You can demonstrate that by showing you are earning at least HALF of your med school costs (this all pertains to you, not parents/spouse). For OOSers, this means you need to earn about $36K in Illinois while in med school. Probably not going to happen.

 

[tangledupinblue]

I have a related question...does anyone know if it is possible to get in-state tuition after the first year at UIC? Some people have suggested that it may be possible if you earn a significant income, but what about if your spouse is working??

I think you can pull it off if you're spouse is working and paying taxes in Illinois. When I interviewed my tour guide was from California and said she was going through the process of becoming a resident. She said it was only possible because of her husband.

 

[Jr applicant]

Yeah I heard the only way to really do it is through your spouse. Doesn't help the unmarried folks.

Anyone going to Peoria??

 

[Jr applicant]

Oh and I also had a heart attack after seeing the $72K/yr...i think i mite have to start considering the caribbean now...

 

[MDPursuit]

Tuition at UIC is so high for Out of State students. Should I decide to go to Wayne or Drexel instead since I am not sure UIC is any better? Thanks.

 

[ace22pmike]

I'm in a similar spot. Temple or UIC (both OOS for me). I like UIC better, plus I have family there, but it'll be like $8000 more.

 

[HreComesTheSun]

Tuition at UIC is so high for Out of State students. Should I decide to go to Wayne or Drexel instead since I am not sure UIC is any better? Thanks.

For me this would be an easy decision (UIC) since I am interested in research. But if you don't care for research, and you don't seem to really see any difference between these schools, perhaps it would be best to just go with the cheapest...at another school I interviewed at (relatively similar to drexel or wayne as far as research is concerned), i felt like i was actually being discouraged from research by my faculty interviewers. that was a real 👎 in my opinion. hearing the UIC dean's talk about academic medicine and reviewing some of their research was a big plus for me (I am also OOS)

 

[MDPursuit]

Can you tell me why you think UIC Peoria or UIC Rockford is better than Drexel or Wayne? I don't have any family members at any of these locations. Also, I am not sure research is an emphasis at UIC Peoria/Rockford. It may be more so at UIC Chicago, but not these small locations. Thanks for your help.

 

[HreComesTheSun]

hey mdpursuit, you are probably right. i assumed you have been accepted to uic chicago campus since you said uic, but research at peoria is not as strong from what i gather, and it looks like it's not really an emphasis at all at rockford. if $$ is an issue, i would def go with your cheapest school or the one you just plain felt matched you the most. good luck with your decision 🙂

 

[MDPursuit]

Thanks for your quick reply, Sun.

Money is not my primary consideration in making this decision. I would go to UIC "Chicago" rather than Drexel or Wayne. However, I have been assigned to UIC Peoria, this distinction becomes vague. I incline to choose Drexel over UIC Peoria or Rockford/Urbana mainly based on looking at the students' pictures at these locations (pictures on their websites!) and the match lists which may not be a valid consideration.

 

[NervousNed]

I think the $52K is just tuition. My aid is earmarked for $72K/year.

No secrets. Personally, I'd read the Military Forum on SDN long and hard before signing up with the service.

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52K????????THATS RIDICULOUS, sorry just needed to say that.

 

[p9142]

Well, I'll be going to UIC this fall, and I'm from San Diego. That means dealing with illinois's crazy out of state tuition. Any other out of state people have secrets for handling $50,000+ a year? Cuz i'm seriously considering signing up for the navy.

Thanks, and see you in Illinois.

I know that the general consensus on SDN is that military medicine is horrible, but in this case it might actually be worth it. You will have borrowed $300k for your four years of school, and much of that will be at super high interest. By the time you are done with residency that could be $400k or more.

 

[BarrySanders]

i think that even though the tuition for out of state is 52,000 it is more important still to look at the overal cost for attendance including all expenses like housing. When you look at that, UIC out of staters arent paying more than alot of private schools and are paying less than some. For example, the total expenses at uic is about 70,000 for an out of stater which is the same for university of chicago. im not making any comparisons on the differences among the quality or prestige of the schools, just the monetary figures. Some schools may have lower tuition but a higher overal cost of attendance.

 

[ace22pmike]

Does anyone think that UIC is worth the extra $8000 in tuition over Temple? Is UIC a much better school, or does the tuition make Temple worth it? Suggestions?

 

[Beau Geste]

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52K????????THATS RIDICULOUS, sorry just needed to say that.

It's not so bad for IL residents. That's just the breaks for being an OOS applicant.

Be thankful you guys got in!

 

[HreComesTheSun]

Thanks for your quick reply, Sun.

Money is not my primary consideration in making this decision. I would go to UIC "Chicago" rather than Drexel or Wayne. However, I have been assigned to UIC Peoria, this distinction becomes vague. I incline to choose Drexel over UIC Peoria or Rockford/Urbana mainly based on looking at the students' pictures at these locations (pictures on their websites!) and the match lists which may not be a valid consideration.

i like you...seriously though, fwiw, i know people who have really liked and disliked both uic and drexel. i would take uic, but it sounds like your gut is telling you to go with drexel.


BarrySanders, you make an excellent point for those who do need to take finances into consideration...take tufts or usc keck, both schools tuitions are nearing uic oos, and cost of living in LA is through the roof. overall cost of attendance may be the same or more than uic oos. it's great that you brought up looking at the overall picture

 

[MDPursuit]

Hey Sun, you said "i would take uic", why do you like UIC Peoria/Rockford better than Drexel or Wayne? Actually, I am not really sure what I like. I wish I know, although I know I should not make my decision based on students' appearance, look.

 

[notdeadyet]

It's not so bad for IL residents. That's just the breaks for being an OOS applicant.

Agreed. I have no problem with public med schools price-gouging out-of-state kids. If you don't like it, go private or stick to your own state school. And yes, I realize that this rubs west coast students raw....

 

[notdeadyet]

You will have borrowed $300k for your four years of school, and much of that will be at super high interest.

Not really. Half of that is covered by whatever the federal loans are going at and the other half is the MedLoan PLUS, which I think is 7.8%. I don't think you have to hit up private bank loans for 15% (which I had to do for postbac.... grr....).

The SDN Military forum is a pretty heated place with lots of varied opinions, but the one thought that is shared by everybody is "Do not take HPSP for the money."

 

[HreComesTheSun]

Hey Sun, you said "i would take uic", why do you like UIC Peoria/Rockford better than Drexel or Wayne? Actually, I am not really sure what I like. I wish I know, although I know I should not make my decision based on students' appearance, look.

honestly, just personal preference. i'm not familiar with wayne state, but i always got the " i didn't get in anywhere else" sense from drexel. and that's totally just opinion, someone else may have the completely opposite feel for drexel. i use to live in near chicago as well, so i may just be biased. and the people i know who went to uic are from duke, yale, and northwestern...those who went to drexel were from the not-so-prestigious uc's. like i said, it's just personal experiences and feelings i got from each school. in your case, i would go to second look at peoria/rockford to help decide if you could see yourself there over wayne or drexel.

 

[notdeadyet]

in your case, i would go to second look at peoria/rockford to help decide if you could see yourself there over wayne or drexel.

I'd recommend looking at the curriculum too, no? Doesn't Drexel have a lot of PBL? And doesn't Peoria have an obscene amount of lecture hours (around 40, compared with 25 at Rockford)?

The plus side for you, MDPursuit, is that I think you're comparing pretty different schools.

 

[HreComesTheSun]

I'd recommend looking at the curriculum too, no? Doesn't Drexel have a lot of PBL? And doesn't Peoria have an obscene amount of lecture hours (around 40, compared with 25 at Rockford)?

The plus side for you, MDPursuit, is that I think you're comparing pretty different schools.

good point ndy

 

[Beau Geste]

I'd recommend looking at the curriculum too, no? Doesn't Drexel have a lot of PBL? And doesn't Peoria have an obscene amount of lecture hours (around 40, compared with 25 at Rockford)?

The plus side for you, MDPursuit, is that I think you're comparing pretty different schools.

Urbana daily schedule:
http://www.med.uiuc.edu/MedCalendar/wide_week.php?cal=25
Peoria daily schedule:
http://www.uicomp.uic.edu/Students/M-2/Schedule/8_14_2006.pdf

Keep in mind - at Peoria you only have 1 didactic year, then it's internships. Cost of living in Urbana is about equal to Peoria and a LOT less than Chicago. Same for Rockford.

I would take Rockford/Peoria if I was given it over Drexel. Peoria has some competitive residency programs (rads, neurosurg) and while Rockford is more rural-oriented, it's a good program to go through if you know that even after your residency you want to work in a <150K population area despite your specialty.

Ultimately, though, you should go where you feel most comfortable. It's your 4 years!

 

[MDPursuit]

Thanks you guys for giving me your input and viewpoints which I have not considered.

 

[p9142]

Not really. Half of that is covered by whatever the federal loans are going at and the other half is the MedLoan PLUS, which I think is 7.8%. I don't think you have to hit up private bank loans for 15% (which I had to do for postbac.... grr....).

The SDN Military forum is a pretty heated place with lots of varied opinions, but the one thought that is shared by everybody is "Do not take HPSP for the money."

Grad Plus are currently at 8.5%. IMHO that is outrageously high, but I never paid those private bank loans so I guess it is all a matter of persective.

 

[notdeadyet]

Grad Plus are currently at 8.5%. IMHO that is outrageously high, but I never paid those private bank loans so I guess it is all a matter of persective.

One advantage of my being crucified by private lenders is that all the other loans look sooo affordable. Silver linings and all that...