UMDNJ merger with Rutgers University

[yankeefan86]

The merger with UMDNJ and Rutgers University is going through last time I checked. Should this be any cause of concern besides a name change?

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[wired202808]

The merger with UMDNJ and Rutgers University is going through last time I checked. Should this be any cause of concern besides a name change?

i am removing my reply.

 

[hail2pitt]

Does it affect the dental school? and if so it might mean a huge tuition increase because UMDNJ is public meanwhile Rutgers is private. 😕

Isn't Rutgers public? I thought it was the "state university of New Jersey"

 

[wired202808]

Isn't Rutgers public? I thought it was the "state university of New Jersey"

I'm so sorry, you are correct hail2pitt. I thought it was private, in that case there might be no change to tuition? At least thats what I would hope if I would attend UMDNJ.

 

[yankeefan86]

I'm so sorry, you are correct hail2pitt. I thought it was private, in that case there might be no change to tuition? At least thats what I would hope if I would attend UMDNJ.

I know tuition is going up. I think that was determined even before the merger.

 

[dantemac]

So, will Rutgers now have a dental school? Or will The University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey now have an undergrad campus named with it??

 

[yankeefan86]

So, will Rutgers now have a dental school? Or will The University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey now have an undergrad campus named with it??

I am not even sure. I know that certain UMDNJ med school campuses are breaking off from UMDNJ and becoming part of Rutgers. What this entails for the dental school, I am uncertain.

 

[veggieheadgeek]

Actually, I asked about this both at Gateway and during my interview. The plan as of then was that the medical school would get sucked up into Rutgers and NJDS would remain its own thing, still public. Tuition increases are just the normal increases that every public school goes through pretty much every year.

 

[Bis-GMA111]

this is correct. NJDS would be its own entity...which is not good.

the UMDNJ system gets its name and a good amount of its private funding via the Robert Wood Johnson system. So to have UMDNJ-RWJ break off from the rest (and being acquired by Rutgers) screws over NJMS and NJDS, which is something that a lot of people are pissed off about.

there are rumors about having other schools absorb NJMS and NJDS but that's not certain yet.

 

[agabs0627]

Only Robert Wood Johnson Medical School is becoming part of Rutgers. New Jersey Medical School and New Jersey Dental School are still going to be part of UMDNJ.

 

[yankeefan86]

this is correct. NJDS would be its own entity...which is not good.

the UMDNJ system gets its name and a good amount of its private funding via the Robert Wood Johnson system. So to have UMDNJ-RWJ break off from the rest (acquired by Rutgers) screws over NJMS and NJDS, which is something that a lot of people are pissed off about.

there are rumors about having other schools absorb NJMS and NJDS but that's not certain yet.

And this is what scares me. Nothing against Rutgers because its a great school, but it seems like they are getting the better end of the deal, IMO.

 

[Bis-GMA111]

yeah yankee. RWJ will attract better faculty, more faculty, and will garner much more in funding. rutgers is definitely getting the better end of this deal

and with the current budget crisis, i highly doubt christie will push any money towards NJMS and NJDS.

also, with a new medical school down in southern nj, it'll divide funding even more

 

[yankeefan86]

yeah yankee. RWJ will attract better faculty, more faculty, and will garner much more in funding. rutgers is definitely getting the better end of this deal

and with the current budget crisis, i highly doubt christie will push any money towards NJMS and NJDS.

also, with a new medical school down in southern nj, it'll divide funding even more

Right now I already accepted my offer for UMDNJ but this really scares me...I still haven't turned down my other offer yet though because of this event with unforeseen consequences.

 

[dentalprodigy]

Can anyone please tell me why this could be bad for njds?

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[Spartan21]

Right now I already accepted my offer for UMDNJ but this really scares me...I still haven't turned down my other offer yet though because of this event with unforeseen consequences.

I am in the same boat

 

[dantemac]

Yeah it may be bad for funding, but the facilities are already new-ish and let's face it, in Newark there is no shortage of patients. Tuition should still be manageable for people in the locale. I doubt the affect will be drastic.

In the history of dental schools, look at which ones fold: Emory (Private), Washington University (Private), Northwestern (Private).....etc

 

[Bis-GMA111]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ood-to-great/2012/01/25/gIQACWu7QQ_story.html

 

[Rutgers2015]

So here's the story on the merger: It does not directly affect anything in Newark, including NJDS. It's between RWJ Med School, The Cancer Institute, the Graduate School of Public Health, and like the Graduate School of Biological Sciences all in New Brunswick/Piscataway. As others have mentioned, there may be indirect effects or implications. For those who are interested, here is the Email us Rutgers students received from President McCormick today:
Members of the Rutgers Community: Today Governor Christie released and endorsed the final report of the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey Advisory Committee, chaired by Dr. Sol Barer. You can view the document by visiting http://medicaleducation.rutgers.edu. Today's report expands upon the committee's interim report, which made the far-sighted recommendation to integrate the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, the Cancer Institute of New Jersey, and the School of Public Health within Rutgers University. As I have stated before, this proposed realignment in New Brunswick and Piscataway presents an opportunity for Rutgers and New Jersey to seize greatness and raise the state's flagship university to the very top tier of research institutions. It offers enormous potential to enhance education in the health sciences and other fields, increase federal funding, create new biomedical companies and jobs, improve access to the latest treatments for state residents, and reestablish New Jersey as a global leader in pharmaceuticals and biomedical science. Today's report proposes a revamped health sciences university based in Newark, to be called the New Jersey Health Sciences University. The report also recommends a formalized research collaboration among Rutgers and the other public research universities in Newark, which I applaud. Under this proposal, our Newark campus will expand its opportunities to conduct joint research initiatives while remaining a part of Rutgers. The report also, for the first time, proposes creating an expanded research university in southern New Jersey that would integrate the Rutgers-Camden Campus into Rowan University. Rutgers-Camden is a special place whose faculty and students work together closely within an intimate campus environment. Rutgers-Camden is also an immensely valuable part of a statewide public research university where faculty consistently advance Rutgers' research mission, connect the university throughout southern New Jersey, and extend our global reputation as a center for innovation and scholarship. Rutgers serves as a vital magnet for the City of Camden and allows southern New Jersey families to obtain Rutgers degrees without relocating or disrupting their lives and careers. The university has invested hundreds of millions of dollars in the Camden Campus – including more than $100 million over the past five years for new academic and student facilities. Rutgers has made a significant commitment to South Jersey, which is part of our pledge to serve the entire state and is intrinsic to our role as The State University of New Jersey. I believe a Rutgers with a medical school in New Brunswick and a presence in every region of the state would serve New Jersey exceptionally well. Needless to say, the proposed restructuring involving Rutgers-Camden will require a thorough discussion and an important decision. Recommendations of this magnitude by law require the consent of our two governing boards – the Board of Governors and the Board of Trustees – which have ultimate responsibility for ensuring the university's future progress. I look forward to discussing these significant recommendations with board members and others within the Rutgers community before formulating my recommendation on how to proceed. Our final decision must be driven by what is best for the entire university and the state of New Jersey. Richard L. McCormick President Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey

 

[dentalprodigy]

so people are saying that its not a drastic change but the name change from UMDNJ to "New Jersey Health Sciecnes University" seems too much to me. I mean, are most of my patients going to be familiar with this? (answer=no).

Soo confused right now. I've got 1500$ in deposits on the line and just got accepted to temple couple days ago.

Seriously considering their program and weather or not this merger is significant enough to warrant a school change to the tune of 70K > ~ 120K (post interest)

Sounds stupid when i type that but still im worried

 

[wired202808]

so people are saying that its not a drastic change but the name change from UMDNJ to "New Jersey Health Sciecnes University" seems too much to me. I mean, are most of my patients going to be familiar with this? (answer=no).

Soo confused right now. I've got 1500$ in deposits on the line and just got accepted to temple couple days ago.

Seriously considering their program and weather or not this merger is significant enough to warrant a school change to the tune of 70K > ~ 120K (post interest)

Sounds stupid when i type that but still im worried

😕 as far as I understand UMDNJ is cheaper than Temple unless you're a PA resident. OOS UMDNJ students get in state tuition after the first year.

 

[Adamsswag]

Changes are happening that are not including the UMDNJ Newark campus but you need to consider what will happen in the future. The situation at UMDNJ is currently not good, as the school and University Hospital are losing money every year. A merger would solve this problem. Consider the possibility of this happening... that's all

 

[yankeefan86]

so people are saying that its not a drastic change but the name change from UMDNJ to "New Jersey Health Sciecnes University" seems too much to me. I mean, are most of my patients going to be familiar with this? (answer=no).

Soo confused right now. I've got 1500$ in deposits on the line and just got accepted to temple couple days ago.

Seriously considering their program and weather or not this merger is significant enough to warrant a school change to the tune of 70K > ~ 120K (post interest)

Sounds stupid when i type that but still im worried

valid points my friend.

 

[veggieheadgeek]

so people are saying that its not a drastic change but the name change from UMDNJ to "New Jersey Health Sciecnes University" seems too much to me. I mean, are most of my patients going to be familiar with this? (answer=no).

Soo confused right now. I've got 1500$ in deposits on the line and just got accepted to temple couple days ago.

Seriously considering their program and weather or not this merger is significant enough to warrant a school change to the tune of 70K > ~ 120K (post interest)

Sounds stupid when i type that but still im worried

Seriously, a NAME CHANGE is too much for you? Houston just changed their name. Maryland changed their name a few years ago. I don't think they have any problems attracting students. You also need to realize that the name of the dental school RIGHT NOW is not UMDNJ...it is the New Jersey Dental School. Even if UMDNJ becomes NJHSU, it will still be the New Jersey Dental School. If it makes you feel better, you can still tell your patients that you graduated from UMDNJ. No one will care or call you a liar. And honestly, the way this state moves, I don't think the name change would take effect for awhile. That's a lot of new stationary to purchase.

Funding for NJDS is separate from funding for NJMS, RWJ, or University Hospital. They are separate entities and are treated as such by the state. There is no way that the school will close because of lack of state funding. When the dental school at Fairleigh Dickinson shut down it was so that all the dental funding could go to one place. No way in hell is the state going to damage its reputation by shutting down its only dental school.

If you're really that nervous about this stuff, just call the school. I can just about promise that they have a script ready because they anticipate this kind of question.

 

[wired202808]

Seriously, a NAME CHANGE is too much for you? Houston just changed their name. Maryland changed their name a few years ago. I don't think they have any problems attracting students. You also need to realize that the name of the dental school RIGHT NOW is not UMDNJ...it is the New Jersey Dental School. Even if UMDNJ becomes NJHSU, it will still be the New Jersey Dental School. If it makes you feel better, you can still tell your patients that you graduated from UMDNJ. No one will care or call you a liar. And honestly, the way this state moves, I don't think the name change would take effect for awhile. That's a lot of new stationary to purchase.

Funding for NJDS is separate from funding for NJMS, RWJ, or University Hospital. They are separate entities and are treated as such by the state. There is no way that the school will close because of lack of state funding. When the dental school at Fairleigh Dickinson shut down it was so that all the dental funding could go to one place. No way in hell is the state going to damage its reputation by shutting down its only dental school.

If you're really that nervous about this stuff, just call the school. I can just about promise that they have a script ready because they anticipate this kind of question.

agreed. the only thing that matters is whether or not tuition will go up. all else is moot.

 

[yankeefan86]

totally not cool.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/01/dramatic_restructuring_of_njs.html

 

[theWUbear]

Pretty much everyone here (save the occasional post) is uninformed, misinformed, and/or worried for no reason.

There is little being done to the Newark campus.

This has nothing to do with the dental school.

A name change is no need to be scared.

University hospital is a hospital for poor people (technical term: safety net hospital). It will always lose money, it is supposed to lose money, it is not a bad thing that it loses money, and any merger/consolidation will not "fix" that it loses money (fix in parenthesis, because nothing is broken). At UMDNJ (I assume this holds true for NJDS, as well as for NJMS), you provide services for a community that are desperately needed - and in return, you gain phenomenal clinical experience.

Funding is held constant by the state and is irrespective of revenue by other "arms" of the state. This will not effect tuition - except possibly for Rutgers people and RWJMS people, who would have to bite the bullet of large costs associated with a merger.