@DreamingOfDentistryI have repeatedly been told by heads of admissions from state schools that these For Profit dental schools will not prepare you clinically. They set their own competency reqs for lets say Crowns and they can say "Oh if you've done four crowns, you're solid." No dentist in their right mind would say you are prepared after having done four crowns. For instance UAB expects you do to 35 crowns by the time you graduate. You come out of there super prepared. You probably can't say the same for these for profit schools. Dental schools make little money from the actual dental work done on patients. These for profit schools are expensive and pad their pockets with that money rather than requiring you to do more clinical work. Honestly, If it was the only place I got accepted to, I would go, but I would then have to deal with the consequences of not being clinically prepared leaving Dental school and will have to tell my employers up front that I will be needing a lot of their guidance along the way. Just my $0.02.
OK, so let's clarify this again. there are no 'for profit' dental schools. it's not a matter of 'call it what you want'. they are filed and accredited as non-profit institutions...idk what point you're trying to make. the university of phoenix, devry, etc. are FOR PROFIT institutions. they have filed themselves as such. so again, 'for profit' does not equal new school. these new schools are a part of a larger university system, which sought to expand their program offerings. yes you can say that they are 'for profit' in the sense that they generate revenue for the university and put the university 'on the map' so to speak recognition wise, but that's about it. a non profit organization has strict requirements regarding its fund usage, so a bunch of administrators can't take all the $$ for themselves. the $$ gets put back into the university to benefit the program.No, for profit is not synonymous with Private. Two totally different things.For profit schools (call it what you want) like LECOM, Midestern, UNE, Roseman have been popping up lately. The dean of Roseman left without notice not too long ago because things were very disorganized (so I've heard). Like I said, I would go to these places (I applied to some) but you definitely will not be prepared like schools that have been around for a long time and have set high standards. Lol 35 isn't much? its a **** ton more than 4 is all I'm saying. Also Im not a ******* who has no clue about "good marketing" This admissions person I spoke to knew i had no plans to go to their school considering they were out of state and very competitive. So I highly doubt they're swaying me the wrong way, but of course I take things with a grain of salt which is why I have asked more people including another dean of admissions. And even speaking to other dentists, you will find this to be the case. These schools outsource their clinics and their teachings and that's a major concern because you can't guarantee the oversight as well. I'm just stating what I heard from these people. And I would be ignorant to not heed their advice/warnings when I plan to spend a quarter of a million dollars on a dental education. (Or i hope to anyway )
boston university was the first to implement this kind of a program (APEX) when they opened up in the 60s. what's your point?http://mydigimag.rrd.com/article/Controversial_Trends_in_New_Dental_Schools/856519/83612/article.html
Of course they're not accredited as "For Profit" but doesn't mean they can't behave like so to an extent.
if you wouldn't call outsourcing your clinics and throwing the label "community based clinics" while charging exorbitant tuition fees FOR profit then yeah I guess we just agree to disagree. That's that folks. As a student trying to go to dental school, these schools definitely make me weary.
read my post above yours. i understand where you're coming from.it does matter whether or not i have my DMD and am clinically qualified. I want to know I'm qualified and have confidence in my work. From what it appears, this seems to be a concern with these schools. i don't want to go try to be an associate and ruin a reputation of a practice because I am a shoddy dentist. But why would you call these schools not " for profit"? Maybe I put too much credence in these qualified admissions people but it seems like its a collective worry of these people so I kind of believe what they're saying. Convince me otherwise please. I'm all ears. I'm not trying to be facetious either.
mid level providers---yea that's a whole other ballgame. rest assured though, the dean of lecom i know for a fact hates mid level providers with a passion.Well thanks for the advice. I know residencies are a great opportunity to get in extra practice after school to build up confidence. The admissions people seem to think they'll be popping out mid level providers (i think thats what he said, which I'm assuming he thinks due to their large class sizes) On one of the articles i cites it stated something about two for profits. Not sure which those are though; I don't think it specified.