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I've not seen any mention of the University of Guadalajara posted, and I have a lot of questions. Is it a 4 year program, a 5 year program, or a 6 year program? And every school posts all the schools where its graduates gained residency, but no one ever reveals how many students were unable to obtain a residency after they've gone to an international school. Does anyone know anything?
 
bigpeeps said:
I've not seen any mention of the University of Guadalajara posted, and I have a lot of questions. Is it a 4 year program, a 5 year program, or a 6 year program? And every school posts all the schools where its graduates gained residency, but no one ever reveals how many students were unable to obtain a residency after they've gone to an international school. Does anyone know anything?


Most of them transfer into Ross in 5th semester and go on to get a good residency because of US clinical rotations that Ross offers.
 
Shah_Patel_PT said:
Most of them transfer into Ross in 5th semester and go on to get a good residency because of US clinical rotations that Ross offers.

Is that what you did?
 
I have met a few people from UG and they said it was terrible. They said the teachers were malicious, the teaching was poor, and the administration tries to screw you over. You can't even transfer to another school if you tell the admin. You have to come up with an alternative story and then do it. I would stay away from this place.
 
GuP said:
I have met a few people from UG and they said it was terrible. They said the teachers were malicious, the teaching was poor, and the administration tries to screw you over. You can't even transfer to another school if you tell the admin. You have to come up with an alternative story and then do it. I would stay away from this place.


I meet a lot of former UG students in my rotations...They are all very happy to be out...

From what I heard...UG was very good 20 years ago...when they had the 5th pathway program....but since that was phased out (or became unpopular)..UG became less desirable...

Now the most competitive schools are Ross and St.george..for the last 25 years.....
 
I have a friend that went to UG, she is doing right now a 5th pathway in NY city. Has taken already both steps and passed them.

They (UG med students) can also do a 5th pathway at Ponce School of Medicine in Puerto Rico, a LCME school.
 
I've not seen any mention of the University of Guadalajara posted, and I have a lot of questions. Is it a 4 year program, a 5 year program, or a 6 year program? And every school posts all the schools where its graduates gained residency, but no one ever reveals how many students were unable to obtain a residency after they've gone to an international school. Does anyone know anything?

Stay away. They accepted a dude that didn't go to college and gave him an MD degree. He somehow got past the boards and practiced in the U.S. He was being sued for 11 malpractice cases and one of them was for stapling someones gall bladder shut instead of removing it from a severe gall-bladder infection... This place has the worst malpractice stats out of U.S. practitioners along with Howard. Hope this helps...
 
I'd be wary of anecdoctal "evidence." If you're interested in University of Guadelajara, call them yourself and ask persistent questions. Guadelajara did have a very good reputation a few years ago and people on this board wouldn't be in a good position to comment on changes since then.
 
I'd be wary of anecdoctal "evidence." If you're interested in University of Guadelajara, call them yourself and ask persistent questions. Guadelajara did have a very good reputation a few years ago and people on this board wouldn't be in a good position to comment on changes since then.

For the non-believers here is a good article. I know you can get the stats out of an official database but this should help...

Here is some of the article out of countless you can find on google:

"Nabut, by contrast, has always been a man in a hurry. After only two years of college he took off for the Autonomous University of Guadalajara medical school, where an undergraduate degree is not required. Years later, he learned a new surgical technique - the one he would use on O'Loughlin - at a weekend seminar, where each doctor got to practice once, on a pig.

O'Loughlin's painful saga started when Nabut mistakenly stapled shut his bile duct during what should have been a routine outpatient gallbladder removal. After eight surgeries trying to uncrimp the damaged tissue, O'Loughlin's torso is a patchwork of long, deep scars."


And this guy is a doctor? Heck, I took anatomy let me staple his gallbladder. Sounds like a quality education. Yes true, some people have the sense to learn what they need to from this place by self teaching.. But some dont know what their doing because lack of sense and education...From what I'm trying to say, go to a foreign school where you won't have to guess what your doing down the road. Anything short of a bachelors upon entrance stands for trouble. Why do I say this? You learn extra by doing the bachelors first. Example: BIOCHEM... You learn some in undergrad and then add to that in medical school... This goes for the typical student... Just my opinion...


http://www.dailypress.com/broadband/hc-medsideday1.artjun29,0,7311442.story?page=1
 
I don't know too much about this case, but there is a fallacy in thinking that the school shoulders the blame. You do not learn surgical techniques in medical school, and it is not the responsibility of medical schools to teach procedural techniques. Schools teach basic suturing and theory, but not specific techniques themselves. These are taught during residency and fellowships, not medical school. So obviously this guy performed well enough in medical school to have some residency program accept him, and after residency, he impressed some hospital well enough to hire him.

The flaw of the article is that they imply schools are to fault when that is completely out of their jurisdiction. The article also says that the technique he performed was taught at a weekend seminar, which is completely unrelated to his medical school.

The article doesn't go into depth about exactly what mistake he made which caused the problems. After a cholecystectomy, it wouldn't be unreasonable to close off the end of the free-hanging bile duct - the article doesn't say exactly what it was that was unreasonable. And the fact that he had to staple could indicate that it was an open operation instead of a lap chole, which would automatically mean it was a complicated gallbladder and thus have more risks associated with it. The article also neglects to go into why the patient had an intestinal perforation, which would also point to either a signficant complication of his disease or another severe comorbidity.

Lastly, there are many good schools which do not require an undergrad degree. For instance, none of the Irish or UK schools do. There have been those who started an undergrad degree, figured out early on that they wanted to do medicine and decided not to finish their undergrad in order to pursue medicine earlier. Everywhere else besides the US and Canada accept students from high school.

So the bottom line is this: you must look carefully and really know how to analyze situations before jumping on a media bandwagon. What's obvious to me from that article is that those doctors themselves were bad, not their schools. You can get by medical school without being the brightest spark. Hell, you can get into medicine and not be the brightest spark too. Medicine isn't difficult to understand. But for those doctors to have gotten through, they obviously were not reprimanded severely enough or taught well enough during the course of their residency training.
 
I don't know too much about this case, but there is a fallacy in thinking that the school shoulders the blame. You do not learn surgical techniques in medical school, and it is not the responsibility of medical schools to teach procedural techniques. Schools teach basic suturing and theory, but not specific techniques themselves. These are taught during residency and fellowships, not medical school. So obviously this guy performed well enough in medical school to have some residency program accept him, and after residency, he impressed some hospital well enough to hire him.

The flaw of the article is that they imply schools are to fault when that is completely out of their jurisdiction. The article also says that the technique he performed was taught at a weekend seminar, which is completely unrelated to his medical school.

The article doesn't go into depth about exactly what mistake he made which caused the problems. After a cholecystectomy, it wouldn't be unreasonable to close off the end of the free-hanging bile duct - the article doesn't say exactly what it was that was unreasonable. And the fact that he had to staple could indicate that it was an open operation instead of a lap chole, which would automatically mean it was a complicated gallbladder and thus have more risks associated with it. The article also neglects to go into why the patient had an intestinal perforation, which would also point to either a signficant complication of his disease or another severe comorbidity.

Lastly, there are many good schools which do not require an undergrad degree. For instance, none of the Irish or UK schools do. There have been those who started an undergrad degree, figured out early on that they wanted to do medicine and decided not to finish their undergrad in order to pursue medicine earlier. Everywhere else besides the US and Canada accept students from high school.

So the bottom line is this: you must look carefully and really know how to analyze situations before jumping on a media bandwagon. What's obvious to me from that article is that those doctors themselves were bad, not their schools. You can get by medical school without being the brightest spark. Hell, you can get into medicine and not be the brightest spark too. Medicine isn't difficult to understand. But for those doctors to have gotten through, they obviously were not reprimanded severely enough or taught well enough during the course of their residency training.


ok, you have some good points...
 
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