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Im interested in applying to University of British Columbia dental school, Im a US citizen and I was wondering what the gpa requirments are and what years they drop and keep. Thank you. Any advice would be greatly appreciated
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Hello,

I do not know the exact GPA that BC looks for, however, I have done A LOT of research on my chances as an American trying to go to Canadian dental schools as I want to eventually live in Canada. Sadly, I have bad news.... not only do all Canadian dental schools have extremely high standards (GPA, DAT), they all require the CDAT and often have a 99% in province rate, that means people like us, unless you have like a 3.9, have about no chance of getting in.

Specifically, BC only accepts the CDAT and last year had a 100% in province rate (I guess I was wrong according to posts below... maybe it means just 100% Canadians).... I got this info from the ADEA guide. They didn't list DAT/GPA averages but I am 100% sure it is very high. If you want to try and find out more information on BC their website is www.dentistry.ubc.ca

If you like BC maybe you could look into going to dental school near the border so you can visit? Personally, I am just waiting to see if I can eventually practice in Canada after I graduate from an American dental school.

Hope this helps a little! Sorry for being kinda a downer...
 
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iSmile5 said:
Hello,

I do not know the exact GPA that BC looks for, however, I have done A LOT of research on my chances as an American trying to go to Canadian dental schools as I want to eventually live in Canada. Sadly, I have bad news.... not only do all Canadian dental schools have extremely high standards (GPA, DAT), they all require the CDAT and often have a 99% in province rate, that means people like us, unless you have like a 3.9, have about no chance of getting in.

Specifically, BC only accepts the CDAT and last year had a 100% in province rate.... I got this info from the ADEA guide. They didn't list DAT/GPA averages but I am 100% sure it is very high. If you want to try and find out more information on BC their website is www.dentistry.ubc.ca

If you like BC maybe you could look into going to dental school near the border so you can visit? Personally, I am just waiting to see if I can eventually practice in Canada after I graduate from an American dental school.

Hope this helps a little! Sorry for being kinda a downer...
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wow, i didnt know that they had a 100% IP rate last year..and UBC is one of the two canadian schools that "DON'T" favor IP students. From what I understood from the adcom..UBC takes every single course you've ever taken post-high school, whether that be in summer school, failed a course, repeated a course..whatever. If you complete more than 4 years of undergraduate study, they will then drop your lowest year.

This person was right..Canada has a very ridiculous standard for their applicants, ESPECIALLY if you're out of province, even MORESO if you're international - that's why all of us canadians are going down to the states lol. However, UBC has an amazing facility. They recently did a $1million+ expansion to their dental wing. Canadian schools also charge a lot more for their applications $250 ish?..and UBC's down payment to reserve your spot is $8000 haha..also something to take into consideration
 
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i believe the 100% IP rate isn't accurate, since i know that some of the 2011 students are from other provinces. in terms of international students, i don't think it really matters where you are from, provided that you meet the competitive requirements. i would just call the school and ask what their policy is regarding internationals. best of luck.
 
f*ck canadian dschools...they wont let in us citizens while our schools graciously accept plenty canadians every year? wtf.

at least we will still kick their ass in the olympics
 
hoss19 said:
f*ck canadian dschools...they wont let in us citizens while our schools graciously accept plenty canadians every year? wtf.

at least we will still kick their ass in the olympics
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lol easy there, George Bush. You can put your WMDs away now.

Canadian dental schools do let in international students. Yes, they are a little more strict, but us canadians find it just as hard to get into. Our schools don't have the vast number of seats to offer like the american schools do, thus, they have to be a little more selective.
 
amalgamgrillz said:
lol easy there, George Bush. You can put your WMDs away now.

Canadian dental schools do let in international students. Yes, they are a little more strict, but us canadians find it just as hard to get into. Our schools don't have the vast number of seats to offer like the american schools do, thus, they have to be a little more selective.
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You pretty much hit the nail on the head there. There are what, 10 dental schools in Canada, 2 of which are French language, compared to the number of American schools (private or public). What do you expect?
 
its saturday night amalgam, damn straight ive got the wmd out.
 
hoss19 said:
its saturday night amalgam, damn straight ive got the wmd out.
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HHAHAHAHAHA post of the year. brilliant.

but seriously, canadians don't like having to apply to american schools, but it's what it takes to ensure that we get into our dream profession.
 
Apply to Dalhousie. I believe they take the most US students out of any Canadian dental school. 👍
 
UBCmicrobi said:
You pretty much hit the nail on the head there. There are what, 10 dental schools in Canada, 2 of which are French language, compared to the number of American schools (private or public). What do you expect?
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The number of schools in Canada has little relevance. The number of enrollees for Canada with a population of 33M and ~400 ds enrollees is comparable to the stats for U.S. with a population of 301M and ~4550 enrollees. Incidentally, an A in BC is 86-100.
 
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iSmile5 said:
Sadly, I have bad news.... not only do all Canadian dental schools have extremely high standards ... that means people like us, unless you have like a 3.9, have about no chance of getting in.

I got this info from the ADEA guide. They didn't list DAT/GPA averages but I am 100% sure it is very high. If you want to try and find out more information on BC their website is www.dentistry.ubc.ca
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amalgamgrillz said:
This person was right..Canada has a very ridiculous standard for their applicants, ESPECIALLY if you're out of province, even MORESO if you're international - that's why all of us canadians are going down to the states lol.
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PatchJoe said:
I agree. Let me put it in perspective for you. I have a 3.7 GPA from a liberal arts college in the States (I'm canadian, born in the province of Quebec), and I'm not even applying to McGill. What really worries me is that as an international applying to schools in the US (yes even the private ones), I'm going to be going up against my fellow canucks who get rejected from Canadian schools with 3.8's. It's wonderful isn't it?:hardy:
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It is a bit difficult to compare the statistics of Canadian enrollees to that of the U.S. since statistics for Can ds are difficult to come by. Canadian ds list the mean gpa scores as either 1. letter grade, 2. percentage, or 3.numerical scale. More importantly there is a great deal of difference in what is required for an A in Canada vs U.S. In Alberta, Ontario and Newfoundland/Labrador a grade of A is from 80-100% while in BC and Quebec it is from 86-100. One could certainly argue that an 80 and even an 86 for an A is somewhat easier to achieve than the 90-100 generally used in the U.S. schools.
 
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i was at the University of Alberta for my undergrad and most of my classes were marked on a curve such that the top 4% got an A+ and the next 6% got an A. I wish my classes gave me an A for getting between 80-100% raw score, since I would've come out of undergrad with nearly a 4.0.

it's a complicated issue comparing different marking schemes between schools, and even within schools sometimes, especially when we factor in grade inflation. that said, i believe it's still easier to get into dental school in the US (as a canadian), for whatever reason that may be.
 
doc toothache said:
The number of schools in Canada has little relevance. The number of enrollees for Canada with a population of 33M and ~400 ds enrollees is comparable to the stats for U.S. with a population of 301M and ~4550 enrollees. Incidentally, an A in BC is 86-100.
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Yes, I am aware of the respective populations of Canada and the US. Doesn't mean we have room for US applicants when there are many qualified Canadian applicants who don't get a seat.


Out of curiosity, just how many Dental schools are there in the states (really just curious, not trying to make a point)


I think in varies a bit by faculty, but at UBC an A is 85-89, and an A+ is 90-100
 
UBCmicrobi said:
Yes, I am aware of the respective populations of Canada and the US. Doesn't mean we have room for US applicants when there are many qualified Canadian applicants who don't get a seat.
Out of curiosity, just how many Dental schools are there in the states (really just curious, not trying to make a point)
I think in varies a bit by faculty, but at UBC an A is 85-89, and an A+ is 90-100
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56;

You can pretty much bet that most pre-dents in the U.S. would be willing to sacrifice a limb if they could get an A with an 85.
 
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doc toothache said:
56;

You can pretty much bet that most pre-dent in the U.S. would be willing to sacrifice a limb if they could get an A with an 85.
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As long as it's a leg...

Interesting, somehow I thought it would be more. Do you happen to know how many Pharmacy schools there are in the US?
 
dackmonkey said:
i was at the University of Alberta for my undergrad and most of my classes were marked on a curve such that the top 4% got an A+ and the next 6% got an A. I wish my classes gave me an A for getting between 80-100% raw score, since I would've come out of undergrad with nearly a 4.0.

it's a complicated issue comparing different marking schemes between schools, and even within schools sometimes, especially when we factor in grade inflation. that said, i believe it's still easier to get into dental school in the US (as a canadian), for whatever reason that may be.
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The grass is usually green on the other side of the fence.
 
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It is a bit difficult to compare the statistics of Canadian enrollees to that of the U.S. since statistics for Can ds are difficult to come by. Canadian ds list the mean gpa scores as either 1. letter grade, 2. percentage, or 3.numerical scale. More importantly there is a great deal of difference in what is required for an A in Canada vs U.S. In Alberta, Ontario and Newfoundland/Labrador a grade of A is from 80-100% while in BC and Quebec it is from 86-100. One could certainly argue that an 80 and even an 86 for an A is somewhat easier to achieve than the 90-100 generally used in the U.S. schools.
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No, marks are not set in stone like that. It depends on the class you take, and most classes are at the higher end (lowest A I had was 83, highest 100). Canadian Dschools are way more competitive, even taken into consideration the population differences. For example, the average applying GPA is around 3.6 or higher and most of those people don't even get an interview. Compared to the average 3.5 give or take in the US, Canadian have a higher chance to interview if they apply to American schools.

Anyways to the OP, UBC requires a ******edly high carving score (as with any other Canadian school west of Toronto) in the cDAT and a decent GPA (3.7 or higher for a good chance). Canadian applicants preferred, I'd say you should go for Dalhousie or stay in the US; then, just write the Canadian boards (shouldn't be a problem if you did your time).
 
Straight from the UBC dentistry site:


Pre-Dental Requirements

To be eligible for admission, applicants must:
  1. Be a Canadian citizen or Permanent Resident
  2. Complete three academic years (90 credits) at a recognized faculty at The University of British Columbia, or its equivalent, by April, 2008.
  3. Achieve a minimum overall Grade Point Average of 70% or 2.8 on a 4.0 grading scale for ALL college/university work (including failed courses).

    The Grade Point Average is calculated on all university-transferable course work completed since high school. Courses taken in the application year are not included in the GPA calculation that is used when considering applicants for admission. The worst year will be dropped for applicants who have completed four or more years of college/university, provided it has at least 24 credits and is not the most recent year.
  4. Complete the required prerequisite courses by April of the academic year in which they apply.
  5. Write the DAT exam. DAT scores from the November exam in the year of application will be accepted for the November 3, 2007 deadline. Please ensure that you check the box beside University of British Columbia on your test registration form so that UBC will receive a copy of your DAT results directly. DAT results are valid for a period of 5 years. Three components of the DAT are used in our calculations: Academic Average, Perceptual Test and the Carving Test. A minimum carving score of 12 must be attained for your application to be considered. For applicants who have written the DAT exam more than once, we will use the best overall test score in our calculations. Please click here to download a printable copy of the brochure (in PDF format) or request a copy of the brochure from:
Also, i was looking up on the entrance statistics of previous years into UBC. They're NOT as competitive as other canadian schools. Taking 2007 as an example, the overall average of students getting in was a 83%.
 
AlcoHulk said:
No, marks are not set in stone like that. It depends on the class you take, and most classes are at the higher end (lowest A I had was 83, highest 100). Canadian Dschools are way more competitive, even taken into consideration the population differences. For example, the average applying GPA is around 3.6 or higher and most of those people don't even get an interview. Compared to the average 3.5 give or take in the US, Canadian have a higher chance to interview if they apply to American schools.

Anyways to the OP, UBC requires a ******edly high carving score (as with any other Canadian school west of Toronto) in the cDAT and a decent GPA (3.7 or higher for a good chance). Canadian applicants preferred, I'd say you should go for Dalhousie or stay in the US; then, just write the Canadian boards (shouldn't be a problem if you did your time).
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You will have to enlighten us as to the source of the statistics you quote because they certainly do not resemble those posted for UBC, which show applicants at 79.82, interviewed at 83.9 and those accepted at 83. Those numbers are lower than the 86 for an A in BC.

http://www.dentistry.ubc.ca/academic_programs/dmd/entrance_statistics/2007.asp
 
nept101 said:
Straight from the UBC dentistry site:


Pre-Dental Requirements

To be eligible for admission, applicants must:
  1. Be a Canadian citizen or Permanent Resident
  2. Complete three academic years (90 credits) at a recognized faculty at The University of British Columbia, or its equivalent, by April, 2008.
  3. Achieve a minimum overall Grade Point Average of 70% or 2.8 on a 4.0 grading scale for ALL college/university work (including failed courses).

    The Grade Point Average is calculated on all university-transferable course work completed since high school. Courses taken in the application year are not included in the GPA calculation that is used when considering applicants for admission. The worst year will be dropped for applicants who have completed four or more years of college/university, provided it has at least 24 credits and is not the most recent year.
  4. Complete the required prerequisite courses by April of the academic year in which they apply.
  5. Write the DAT exam. DAT scores from the November exam in the year of application will be accepted for the November 3, 2007 deadline. Please ensure that you check the box beside University of British Columbia on your test registration form so that UBC will receive a copy of your DAT results directly. DAT results are valid for a period of 5 years. Three components of the DAT are used in our calculations: Academic Average, Perceptual Test and the Carving Test. A minimum carving score of 12 must be attained for your application to be considered. For applicants who have written the DAT exam more than once, we will use the best overall test score in our calculations. Please click here to download a printable copy of the brochure (in PDF format) or request a copy of the brochure from:
Also, i was looking up on the entrance statistics of previous years into UBC. They're NOT as competitive as other canadian schools. Taking 2007 as an example, the overall average of students getting in was a 83%.
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According to UBC standards, an 80% is equivalent to an A- (3.7 at the University of Alberta). When I applied to UBC I thought I was a shoe in because i thought that 80% meant 3.2/4.0 but when I realized it equated to a 3.7 at the UofA I was concerned. To keep it simple, understand that not all schools mark in the same fashion, and a grade at one school may not necessarily translate directly into the same score at another school.

EDIT: I realize that on the school's website it says a minimum of 70% or GPA of 2.8/4 is required to apply, but for some reason this is not how they convert your letter grades/GPAs to percentages if you don't go to UBC. I can look if you guys really want me to and find the conversion table, but I'm just lazy and don't want to hassle my friend to find it again for me. Additionally, I couldn't care less whether or not people actually believe me about the conversion without linking/uploading the table.
 
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According to UBC standards, an 80% is equivalent to an A- (3.7 at the University of Alberta). When I applied to UBC I thought I was a shoe in because i thought that 80% meant 3.2/4.0 but when I realized it equated to a 3.7 at the UofA I was concerned. To keep it simple, understand that not all schools mark in the same fashion, and a grade at one school may not necessarily translate directly into the same score at another school.

EDIT: I realize that on the school's website it says a minimum of 70% or GPA of 2.8/4 is required to apply, but for some reason this is not how they convert your letter grades/GPAs to percentages if you don't go to UBC. I can look if you guys really want me to and find the conversion table, but I'm just lazy and don't want to hassle my friend to find it again for me. Additionally, I couldn't care less whether or not people actually believe me about the conversion without linking/uploading the table.
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And that is precisely the point. A 3.7 or 3.9 in Canada is not the same as a 3.7 and 3.9 in the U.S.
 
doc toothache said:
And that is precisely the point. A 3.7 or 3.9 in Canada is not the same as a 3.7 and 3.9 in the U.S.
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gotcha. i see your point. do you think that the reason why canadians get into american schools more easily is due to grade inflation, because As are more easily handed out in canada (apparently) as compared to the US?
 
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gotcha. i see your point. do you think that the reason why canadians get into american schools more easily is due to grade inflation, because As are more easily handed out in canada (apparently) as compared to the US?
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One can certainly make the argument that inflated Canadian grades appear more competitive than their counterparts south of the border. Canadians and other international students are probably accepted into U.S. schools for pr, political, diversity and other issues rather than grades. Therefore, as a separate group, they need not be considered to compete against domestic applicants.
 
PatchJoe said:
Guess who gets the $hit end of the stick. Medium intelligence Canadians who decide to do undergrad in the states (me). They may not be competing against domestic applicants, but guess who they ARE competing against.
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Reasons why UBC Dental Program entrance averages are low:
1. Expensive school (50k/year tuition), waitlist moves a lot. Probably one of the most expensive schools in Canada. The facility is brand new and one of the best in Canada.
2. PBL program - turn off for a lot of students, need I say more. Someone told me that there was a student who dropped out of UBC dental program and went to Boston U to start dental school all over again. Not sure if it is true, could be rumour.
3. In addition to dental courses, the first two years is combined with medical students. so you have to study a lot of not so interesting information.
4. Preclinical Operative dentistry (simulation drilling etc) starts in spring of second year (someone correct me if I am wrong). Too late in my opinion. A lot of other dental schools (both Canadian and US) have Preclinical operative dentistry courses in first year. This allows them to develop good dexterity and prepares them well for 3rd and 4th years. Whereas at UBC starts operative dentistry in spring (Feb) of second year and then students work on patients in 3rd year fall. Not enough practice to get ready for clinical years.
5. Oh, did I mention PBL? From my experience of talking to other students, PBL is really great for medical students, but not so much for dental students. Most of the time, general dentistry is all about skill and patient communication. Still requires brain, but not as much as medicine.

overall, students tend to choose other canadian schools over UBC. Those who stay back in vancouver, probably have other good reasons for going to UBC (family, love for the city, school facility etc..)

The dental school interview system is different in Canada. It is designed to be non-biased. Also, the interviews are blind. The interviewers do not know anything about the applicant except their name. The interview questions are situational/behavioural based. So it is kind of competitive. hence, a lot of students with good stats rely on US schools as a back-up.

Oh, as for the grading system in Canada, like other have said, it is not easy to get over 90%. Don't know why that is. could be because a lot of students take 5 or 6 science courses per semester. Also, sometimes, classes get curved. I did my undergrad at a canadian school. for one of the classes I received 83% and my transcript showed a B. For one of the classes I got 94.5% and that showed up as an A, not A+ like it usually is. And there were several other classes that got curved if the class average was high.

So there is no real advantage or disadvantage of attending a canadian school in terms of achieving a high GPA. Sure an A- is 80%, but the class averages are also a lot lower. If the class average is high, sometimes, professors do end up using a higher scale.

patchjoe, don't worry too much about the system and the unfairness you might think you have. Just apply to both Canada and US and see what happens. A lot of US dental schools have good facilities/programs (some better than canadian schools) and they will make you a good dentist in the end.

Purely based on the program design, if I had a choice between UBC and other schools like UPitt, bu, tufts, toronto, uwo, u of manitoba etc..I would pick the other school. But then again, there are a lot of other factors to consider when one has to pick a dental school.

questions, comments, arguements?
if I made any factual errors, please feel free to correct me and my bad for that.
 
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Pagal, interesting to hear you say that PBL is a turnoff for a lot of dental students, and I totally agree with you on that one!
 
PatchJoe said:
Not to hijack or anything, but are canadian dental school stats listed in the ADEA book? I was just wondering where the acceptance average for UBC was coming from.Otherwise, the book won't really do me any good because as a canadian, I'll be applying to all of the private schools in the states.
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well, stats are listed on the UBC dental website. and few other dental schools list (uwo, u of t) their class stats as well.
 
attending a Canadian school with a heavy emphasis on PBL, I am almost sickened as to what one poster claimed to know about PBL.
I don't even want to start this with someone who is basing his/her PBL views on 'hearsay.'

and for that person to say medicine is less communication-based as dentistry.. lol?

you realize UBC and McGill dental schools are based off of Harvard right? your argument was that UBC has LOW admissions stats because of PBL and clinical skills starting in 3rd year.. Well so does harvard. And.. oh wait. what's that I hear? Oh yeah.. Harvard has the HIGHEST admission stats. And don't tell me Harvard has a great name. In Canada, UBC does too.
 
Pagal said:
well, stats are listed on the UBC dental website. and few other dental schools list (uwo, u of t) their class stats as well.
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I have the ADEA book. They shoved all the Canadian schools at the back and did a very poor job of amalgamating the information. There is like barely anything on Canadian schools in terms of statistics.

The book has information about the Private schools in the USA. As a Canadian applicant as well, is has helped me thus far. 70$ of help? .... we'll see..
 
Can anyone explain in a bit more detail what PBL is? From what I understand it's learning more on your own/in groups compared to the traditional lectures. Is that right?
 
Contach said:
attending a Canadian school with a heavy emphasis on PBL, I am almost sickened as to what one poster claimed to know about PBL.
I don't even want to start this with someone who is basing his/her PBL views on 'hearsay.'

and for that person to say medicine is less communication-based as dentistry.. lol?

you realize UBC and McGill dental schools are based off of Harvard right? your argument was that UBC has LOW admissions stats because of PBL and clinical skills starting in 3rd year.. Well so does harvard. And.. oh wait. what's that I hear? Oh yeah.. Harvard has the HIGHEST admission stats. And don't tell me Harvard has a great name. In Canada, UBC does too.
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i never said that medicine required less communication. read my post again and you'll see that I was comparing the amount of brain required in general dentistry vs medicine. If you have ever worked in a general practice, you will see that most cases are easy to diagnose. Even an experience dental hygeinist is capable of diagnosing problems.

you are kind of naive. The name matters in the US but not in Canada. Harvard is a totally different comparison when relating to UBC and McGill. The name is kind of big deal in US. and their program is sort of research oriented. so in essence, going to harvard will put you in a better position when applying to research/specializing programs after dental school. Those who just want general dentistry, do end up choosing schools that have heavy emphasis on pre-clinical and clinical experience.

In Canada, the name of the dental school doesn't matter that much.

you should talk to the general dentists who graduated from UBC within past few years. They will tell you like it is. You have to ask them the right questions to get the right answers. Or you can ask the 3rd and 4th year dental students UBC. Maybe they can tell you the negatives of the program only if you ask them the right questions.

Btw, what year are you in? something tells me that you are either a new dental student (2012) or you have yet to enter dental school
 
off topic, but anyone at UBC thats reading this thread, please please join the facebook group "UBC Pre-Dental Society"!!
 
Contach said:
I have the ADEA book. They shoved all the Canadian schools at the back and did a very poor job of amalgamating the information. There is like barely anything on Canadian schools in terms of statistics.

The book has information about the Private schools in the USA. As a Canadian applicant as well, is has helped me thus far. 70$ of help? .... we'll see..
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We might be able to prevent a coronary if we stopped to analyze the situation on the lack of info about the Canadian ds. There is no question that there is a paucity of information on the statistics for the Canadian ds considering the fact that for the 2008 ADEA book 8 out of 10 schools had no info. However, we may be pointing the finger at the wrong culprit. The websites for some of the schools (McGill, Montreal, Laval, Sekachetwan) are not particularly helpful and the response from e-mail and phone calls have been met with equal results. It is not clear whether the lack of info is due the possibility that some Can ds consider the stats of their applicants/enrollees to be a national secret or they just can't get their act together long enough to provide those interested in their program with the relevant stats.
 
PatchJoe said:
Maybe it has become a tradition among canadian dental schools to reject anyone with a GPA below 3.9. And I'm going to go ahead and assume that's going to discourage a lot of applicants from paying application fees if the information were to be freely disseminated.
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Could be, but not likely. So far only two schools have mean gpa at the inflated scores of 3.9. Unless, of course, U.S. applicants are lined up at the Canadian border dieing to apply to ds north of the border. Even the number of Canadian applying to local schools is not exactly spectacular.
 
Contach said:
attending a Canadian school with a heavy emphasis on PBL, I am almost sickened as to what one poster claimed to know about PBL.
I don't even want to start this with someone who is basing his/her PBL views on 'hearsay.'

and for that person to say medicine is less communication-based as dentistry.. lol?

you realize UBC and McGill dental schools are based off of Harvard right? your argument was that UBC has LOW admissions stats because of PBL and clinical skills starting in 3rd year.. Well so does harvard. And.. oh wait. what's that I hear? Oh yeah.. Harvard has the HIGHEST admission stats. And don't tell me Harvard has a great name. In Canada, UBC does too.
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PBL is not for everyone, I don't think pagal was knocking it (nor was I), but some students are "turned off" by it in the sense that they are unaccustomed to it if they have not previously experienced it in their undergrad and felt like they were successful with more traditional lecture based learning. Of course dental school is a whole 'nother ball game, and I don't profess to know anything about it. The PBL format at Dalhousie (pharmacy) definitely turned me off, but I would have gone there had that been the only school to accept me.

*if anyone's wondering what a pharm student is doing in the dental forum, my ex/best friend is a recently admitted dental student (U of T, didn't get into UBC), so I've perused this forum on his behalf and posted regarding his situation, and the UBC thread caught my eye since I'm a UBC alumna/new pharm student
 
sums down to 2 answers

1. half the american schools cant compete with the level of difficulty of the courses offered in canadian schools (testimony from couple of American friends in my University who transferred from Iowa and Dallas).

I mean come on, this one American College has 3500 students, with an average GPA of 3.64...wtf

2. Less Canadian Dental schools (more meant for Canadians who plan to stay in Canada)

FYI, American Dental Schools accept very little # of Canadians. Not like you guys favour us any more than we favour u guys
 
Not to mention, U of Toronto is a sickening place...

They are the ones looking for super nerds

If you have no social skills but high GPA, apply there

Average GPA of those accepted: 3.92 cumulative

I dont think UBC is as bad. I had a friend with 3.3 GPA get in this year. Think UBC actually looks for people with character.
 
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sums down to 2 answers

1. half the american schools cant compete with the level of difficulty of the courses offered in canadian schools (testimony from couple of American friends in my University who transferred from Iowa and Dallas).
I mean come on, this one American College has 3500 students, with an average GPA of 3.64...wtf
2. Less Canadian Dental schools (more meant for Canadians who plan to stay in Canada)
FYI, American Dental Schools accept very little # of Canadians. Not like you guys favour us any more than we favour u guys
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With such evidence the conclusion is beyond reproach.
 
ksksks said:
sums down to 2 answers

1. half the american schools cant compete with the level of difficulty of the courses offered in canadian schools (testimony from couple of American friends in my University who transferred from Iowa and Dallas).

I mean come on, this one American College has 3500 students, with an average GPA of 3.64...wtf

2. Less Canadian Dental schools (more meant for Canadians who plan to stay in Canada)

FYI, American Dental Schools accept very little # of Canadians. Not like you guys favour us any more than we favour u guys
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I don't know why you would go around making such claims from your experience with only two US students. there are quite a few canadian schools that are somewhat easier and cannot compete with half the US schools in terms of the level of difficulty of courses.
 
amalgamgrillz said:
Canadian dental schools do let in international students.
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I found this in the FAQ's section of their website.. so while some Canadian schools do, UBC definitely doesn't:

Q.Does the Faculty accept International students?
A.No. The Faculty only accepts Canadian Citizens or Landed Immigrants/Permanent Residents of Canada into the 1st year of the dental program.
 
My DD attends Berkeley and also studied abroad at UBC in Vancouver, the percentage to earn any letter grade may be lower in Canada, but the profs simply adjust the grading accordingly.

They grade very stringently, in HS and university, so don't think a Canadian 80% A is some easy thing, it is no easier than in the US, there is just more room to differentiate between barely an A, strong A, and amazing A.
 
somemom said:
My DD attends Berkeley and also studied abroad at UBC in Vancouver, the percentage to earn any letter grade may be lower in Canada, but the profs simply adjust the grading accordingly.

They grade very stringently, in HS and university, so don't think a Canadian 80% A is some easy thing, it is no easier than in the US, there is just more room to differentiate between barely an A, strong A, and amazing A.
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It may not be easier but one could argue that an 80 is a heck of a lot easier to obtain than a 90, 95, or 100.
 
UBC has also changed their policy about not giving preference to in province students. Starting from this year, 36 out of the 40 seats will be reserved for BC residents.
 
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