University of Oklahoma -- all peeps -- part 2

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Well folks, I finished all the reviewing that's worth doing, I think. If I don't know it at this point it's not worth knowing.


I'll be a much happier man in about 16 hours.

See you on the other side. :scared:

Buena suerte!
😎
 
It seemed like we didn't see them last year for about a week; was that because of Borefest 2006/Orientation, I can't remember...

He hasn't gotten screwed yet. We've been loosely planning a trip to Ireland this summer and he just now got off his ass to apply for it. They told him 4-6 weeks which puts me getting close to school time, I just wasn't sure when it was. I got mine the week before my earlier trip, apparently I applied for it at just the right time. Although the right time was probably early enough to not have to pay extra to get it on time.

I told him I'm going no matter what 👍
 
It seemed like we didn't see them last year for about a week; was that because of Borefest 2006/Orientation, I can't remember...

He hasn't gotten screwed yet. We've been loosely planning a trip to Ireland this summer and he just now got off his ass to apply for it. They told him 4-6 weeks which puts me getting close to school time, I just wasn't sure when it was. I got mine the week before my earlier trip, apparently I applied for it at just the right time. Although the right time was probably early enough to not have to pay extra to get it on time.

I told him I'm going no matter what 👍

Yeah, the MS1s start on Wednesday the week before and have their 3 fun days of orientation. Glad we don't have to do that again.

Did he pay to have it rushed? Supposedly it's taking like 3 months now for people who don't expedite. There was a big story about it on msnbc the other day.

Good luck, Amx!! And anyone else whose test is coming up soon! :luck:
 
What exactly takes up 3 whole days of orientation?

Not a lot really. You have to dress up -- ties for guys but no jackets, but it's a little more lenient for the women. You show up around 8:30 every day, and it usually starts with speeches from Dean Schmidt. I think Dr. Hall speaks, too, and gives you an overview of your class (ages, experiences, MCAT averages, etc.). You also hear from student services people and insurance people. Basically, you spend most of orientation sitting in West Lecture Hall listening to lectures about the school and student services. The good news is that you don't have to do anything, but the bad news is it gets pretty hard to pay attention.

You also have sessions in your mod where you come up with a presentation, mod nickname and slogan, and you get to spend some time with your mod just talking about your background, etc. They cater lunches (normally sandwich boxes from Honeybaked Ham). On Friday, you have the luncheon with your donor's family who may or may not show up. If they don't show up, I guess you just get to have a fancy meal. If they show up, it can actually be a pretty neat experience, so don't worry about it.

Oh yeah, on the first night, there's a dinner sponsored by the Oklahoma State Medical Association/AMA. If you go and join, you get either a Stedmann's medical dictionary or a dissection kit. I'd go for the dissection kit because I've never used my dictionary. Also, the more dissection tools your group has, the better because they have a way of getting lost.
 
Not a lot really. You have to dress up -- ties for guys but no jackets, but it's a little more lenient for the women. You show up around 8:30 every day, and it usually starts with speeches from Dean Schmidt. I think Dr. Hall speaks, too, and gives you an overview of your class (ages, experiences, MCAT averages, etc.). You also hear from student services people and insurance people. Basically, you spend most of orientation sitting in West Lecture Hall listening to lectures about the school and student services. The good news is that you don't have to do anything, but the bad news is it gets pretty hard to pay attention.

You also have sessions in your mod where you come up with a presentation, mod nickname and slogan, and you get to spend some time with your mod just talking about your background, etc. They cater lunches (normally sandwich boxes from Honeybaked Ham). On Friday, you have the luncheon with your donor's family who may or may not show up. If they don't show up, I guess you just get to have a fancy meal. If they show up, it can actually be a pretty neat experience, so don't worry about it.

Oh yeah, on the first night, there's a dinner sponsored by the Oklahoma State Medical Association/AMA. If you go and join, you get either a Stedmann's medical dictionary or a dissection kit. I'd go for the dissection kit because I've never used my dictionary. Also, the more dissection tools your group has, the better because they have a way of getting lost.

I'll respectively disagree...I've used my dictionary a lot, and even if I hadn't, I couldn't in good faith recommend replacing it with something that there are hundreds of in the lab, even something "free". Besides, you type with your best dissection tools anyway 😀 But I remember being glad I didn't pay for a kit; there is a generous helping of tools from all the years of MSI's abandoning their kits. Because let's face it, who wants that **** back?

But then, Bagel prolly already knew all the words I had to look up....

Yeah my bro paid for the fast service, they said 4-6 weeks; we'll see. Hopefully the whole not needing anything other than a receipt that you have applied to cross our land borders and go to the Caribbean will speed his up. Because if we don't go somewhere this summer, it may be quite a few years...since I think I'm already planning my step 1 around my 2nd annual trip back to Aruba. HIGHLY recommend it if anyone gets the opportunity...
 
I think I'll have to disagree with Bagel on this one as well... I have busted out my Stedman's on many occasions 🙂

I'm so nervous for (and incredibly jealous of!) amx... I still have 10 nail-biting days left! Sending good luck vibes in the general direction of the prometric testing center.... (speaking of, I'd probably better figure out where that is, huh?) :luck: :luck: :luck: :luck: :luck:
 
I think I'll have to disagree with Bagel on this one as well... I have busted out my Stedman's on many occasions 🙂

I'm so nervous for (and incredibly jealous of!) amx... I still have 10 nail-biting days left! Sending good luck vibes in the general direction of the prometric testing center.... (speaking of, I'd probably better figure out where that is, huh?) :luck: :luck: :luck: :luck: :luck:

Yeah, knowing where to go is probably a good idea. 🙂 If you're an uptight worrier like me, you'll map it out and make a test run before the test. Yeah, I'm a loser. Of course, doing stuff like this is also good study avoidance. Sending good vibes to wherever that center is. :luck:

So, hmm, maybe Stedman's is useful. It seemed like the only words (mainly neuro words) I tried to look up weren't there, so I had to just google it. Yeah, it is true that you can snag dissection tools from lots of other people. I have no clue what happened to our stuff, so it's probably just sitting in the lab for you new MS1s.
 
I think I'll have to disagree with Bagel on this one as well... I have busted out my Stedman's on many occasions 🙂

I'm so nervous for (and incredibly jealous of!) amx... I still have 10 nail-biting days left! Sending good luck vibes in the general direction of the prometric testing center.... (speaking of, I'd probably better figure out where that is, huh?) :luck: :luck: :luck: :luck: :luck:

Thanks for the good luck wishes! I'll let you know if it worked in 4-6 weeks. 😉


Make sure you go over biochem again. Those questions were the worst for me. Some of them were gimmes (HGPRT and Lesch-Nyhan as well as gout and negatively birefringent monosodium urate crystals), but there were more that I just felt like I was blindly guessing on.

Oh well... It's done now! 😀
 
Thanks for the good luck wishes! I'll let you know if it worked in 4-6 weeks. 😉


Make sure you go over biochem again. Those questions were the worst for me. Some of them were gimmes (HGPRT and Lesch-Nyhan as well as gout and negatively birefringent monosodium urate crystals), but there were more that I just felt like I was blindly guessing on.

Oh well... It's done now! 😀

Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!! :hardy:

Enjoy your few weeks of vacation 😀
 
Thanks for the good luck wishes! I'll let you know if it worked in 4-6 weeks. 😉


Make sure you go over biochem again. Those questions were the worst for me. Some of them were gimmes (HGPRT and Lesch-Nyhan as well as gout and negatively birefringent monosodium urate crystals), but there were more that I just felt like I was blindly guessing on.

Oh well... It's done now! 😀

Congrats on surviving - I guess I'm up next... yay :barf:
 
Good luck to AG today and WIJG and DMBFan next week! I hope the thunderstorms don't give you guys any computer problems. 🙂

We're flying to Seattle via Dallas this morning around 10:00, and I hope it doesn't give us any trouble. I think my relieved post-test feeling is finally setting in, which is nice. I felt crappy all day yesterday, and I have no idea why.


See you all in a week!
 
Good luck to AG today and WIJG and DMBFan next week! I hope the thunderstorms don't give you guys any computer problems. 🙂

We're flying to Seattle via Dallas this morning around 10:00, and I hope it doesn't give us any trouble. I think my relieved post-test feeling is finally setting in, which is nice. I felt crappy all day yesterday, and I have no idea why.


See you all in a week!

I don't know, the storms could work to my advantage... "Oh, no! The power went out... umm, I was all done with my test, and I had all the answers right. Could you just put me down for that?"
 
I don't know, the storms could work to my advantage... "Oh, no! The power went out... umm, I was all done with my test, and I had all the answers right. Could you just put me down for that?"

:laugh: This reminds me of an old movie "License to Drive". Has anyone seen it?
 
One week and counting for me....im really not looking forward to a biochem heavy exam....i hated learning it the 1st time, and Im sure this week i will be bitter than im having to learn it again.
 
Just bumping.

Wishing good luck to WIJG and any other 2009ers who still haven't taken the USMLE! :luck:

So if anybody else has been bored like me and watching some Court TV -- do you think Phil Spector and Leon have the same hair stylist? 😀
 
Just bumping.

Wishing good luck to WIJG and any other 2009ers who still haven't taken the USMLE! :luck:

So if anybody else has been bored like me and watching some Court TV -- do you think Phil Spector and Leon have the same hair stylist? 😀

Thanks 😀 I am so ready to get this thing over with and fly out to Vegas on Monday :hardy:
 
Well, last night we had a cookout with most of my close friends at my house. It was kind of our last hurrah with them as starting next week I'll be working in OKC 3 days/week finishing up projects for the corporate world, and I'll only be here in Duncan 1 evening/week (my wife has been working/living in OKC for over a month). It is kind of sad that I won't get to see my friends anymore, but like I'm going to have lots of extra time for friends in med school with new babies anyway (I'm still holding out hope for a Saturday evening on the town every other month or so).

During the middle of the evening it really hit me that in 6 weeks I am going to start a new chapter in my life. It was both a sad feeling and one of extreme excitement! I am not doubting my decision to leave my current career to pursue medicine in the least, but before this week it has been in the "future," and now the future is here. I say: "Here's to the future!" I just hope OUHSC is ready for me. :laugh::meanie: Anatomy lab, here I come!


Now if I can just get my stupid house sold...
 
I see a lot of houses in my neighborhood for sale; I bet interest rates are killing that deal...

So yeah, I don't have a good reason for asking this, especially at the time I am, but I'll throw it out there anyway:

Can someone explain the concept of person-years to me? I mean, this seems like something that would have been important to take away from a class like, oh, I dunno, EBM, but it is evading me. I'm trying to reconcile between it and prevalence. If the prevalence of a disease is 1000 out of a population of 100,000, and the incidence is 20 per 100,000 person-years, that means 1 percent of the population is a potential patient, right? Regardless of the whole person-year thing? But the person-years would be of those that HAVE the disease, it occurs 0.02% for each year affected (or something??)?

Between my mom getting CT'd to R/O PE and following biotech company studies, I've done just as much reading over the summer as I did for EBM...
 
Can someone explain the concept of person-years to me? I mean, this seems like something that would have been important to take away from a class like, oh, I dunno, EBM, but it is evading me. I'm trying to reconcile between it and prevalence. If the prevalence of a disease is 1000 out of a population of 100,000, and the incidence is 20 per 100,000 person-years, that means 1 percent of the population is a potential patient, right? Regardless of the whole person-year thing? But the person-years would be of those that HAVE the disease, it occurs 0.02% for each year affected (or something??)?

Not having had EBM yet (apparently I might not learn it there anyway), but having read several articles for personal health research, this is the way that I interpret those (not that it's right): I think the prevalence is as you say; 1% will get the disease during their life. For the 100,000 person-years (total sample population years), 20 people will present with new onset of the disease/symptoms. I think of the person-years like man-years in labor: if it took 4000 man-years to build something, that could be a combination of 4000 people working full time for a year, 8000 people full-time for 1/2 year, 48,000 people working full time for a month, etc. Taking that back to the person-year incindence: out of a population of 200,000, you should have 20 new onsets in 6 months, for 400,0000, 20 in 3 months, etc.

That could be totally wrong and if so, someone please enlighten both Freeze and I.
 
Upon further 'why do I care' googling and reading some better descriptions (written for dumb rednecks...), that's prolly the best way I found to figure it out too. If something has X incidence, that percentage of folks will come down with cases, per unit time, usually a year. Or if it's something fun like genital herpes, that many outbreaks will occur, repeatedly, in the same people...

I accidentally picked up a book about the stock market from the lending shelf while on vacation...it's all downhill from here...
 
LOL, person-years left me baffled, too, in EBM. 😳

Yeah, I guess we're in a soft market, and it seems like the whole real estate boom never hit Oklahoma anyway. Good luck with the house sell. :luck:

The summer before your 1st year is weird, especially if you're a nontrad and not just going from one school to the next. It's good, but I can relate to being a little sad about it.
 
During the middle of the evening it really hit me that in 6 weeks I am going to start a new chapter in my life. It was both a sad feeling and one of extreme excitement! I am not doubting my decision to leave my current career to pursue medicine in the least, but before this week it has been in the "future," and now the future is here. I say: "Here's to the future!" I just hope OUHSC is ready for me. :laugh::meanie: Anatomy lab, here I come!
Anatomy lab? Hehehehe... I'm just celebrating that the only reason I will ever have to be in BSEB basement anymore will be to walk to the elevator, avoiding a flight of stairs! The temptation to moon the cadaver lab will be strong! But, hey, we had to do it, and so do you!

It's normal to feel a little sad. As a non-trad, you have more perspective. You are unavoidably closing one chapter of your life to move on to the next. For the first few weeks of MS-I, I often missed my office, my co-workers, my old routine... that will be normal (didn't you go through that phase, too, DoctorBagel?). Now that I'm back in my old office working for June and July, I keep thinking, "somebody hand me my stethoscope and get me the h*ll out of here!!!" I'm already looking forward to getting back to school.

Another interesting change: when school started, I felt very weird about being home during normal business hours, even if I was studying. Somehow, it just didn't feel right being at home. Now, of course, if a lecture runs late, I've been known to think "you gotta speed this up - Oprah is going to be good today!!!"

You even adjust to unemployment! :laugh:
 
Anatomy lab? Hehehehe... I'm just celebrating that the only reason I will ever have to be in BSEB basement anymore will be to walk to the elevator, avoiding a flight of stairs! The temptation to moon the cadaver lab will be strong! But, hey, we had to do it, and so do you!

You won't actually use the elevator as much as you think... it may be hard to remember now, but you all STANK last year... you'll want as much distance between you and the 2011 stinkiness as possible. (No offense, 2011'ers... but you will smell bad, and you'll be so used to the smell that you won't REALIZE you smell bad... but fortunately your husbands and wives will remind you). And remember, you won't have nearly as much reason to use the stairs, being in first floor mods and all 😉
 
You won't actually use the elevator as much as you think... it may be hard to remember now, but you all STANK last year... you'll want as much distance between you and the 2011 stinkiness as possible. (No offense, 2011'ers... but you will smell bad, and you'll be so used to the smell that you won't REALIZE you smell bad... but fortunately your husbands and wives will remind you). And remember, you won't have nearly as much reason to use the stairs, being in first floor mods and all 😉

Bring on the stench! If I can stand working for 6 years in the oil and gas industry and the ever-present foul smells there, 4 months in the dungeon is going to be a piece of cake. Although my wife will probably still tell me to strip at the door...
 
The really bad thing is that it gets in your hair. If you have lab in the afternoon, don't bother washing your hair that morning -- really, it's pointless. It certainly stinks, but it's not the worst smell ever -- the lab smells a lot nicer than some nursing homes I volunteered in, which reeked of human excrement. 😱 I'll be upfront and admit that OU does have cr@ppy lab facilities. Apparently some schools have anatomy labs complete with plants and windows and sophisticated ventilation systems. OU just has a dark, stinky basement. Not like it really matters, but I'm glad I'll never have to go down there again.

So having the mods on the first floor means that I'll get even less natural exercise in my day. Maybe I'll still trek upstairs to use the bathroom. 🙂 I'm also bummed because I apparently missed the whole signing up for a desk in the mod thing because I pretty much never go to school or the mod. I hated my last desk location because it was right in the center of the room, and everybody put their junk on it -- I'm hoping I'm not going to be stuck with the same location again. If you're the last person in the alphabet in your mod, your desk position might just suck.

Oh yeah, I have a question for the 2009 folks -- did you use your class syllabi from first year to study for the boards? I'm trying to figure out if I should just recycle those things or hold onto them.
 
I'm also bummed because I apparently missed the whole signing up for a desk in the mod thing because I pretty much never go to school or the mod. I hated my last desk location because it was right in the center of the room, and everybody put their junk on it -- I'm hoping I'm not going to be stuck with the same location again. If you're the last person in the alphabet in your mod, your desk position might just suck.

Oh yeah, I have a question for the 2009 folks -- did you use your class syllabi from first year to study for the boards? I'm trying to figure out if I should just recycle those things or hold onto them.

I had the center desk problem as well, and couldn't get ANYONE to switch with me 🙁 (And of course you don't know who's not coming back until they don't). It's also a pain not having your own internet jack. It's not that I ever needed to use it and couldn't, but you have to drag it over someone else's desk... anyway, I feel your pain 🙂

And to answer your question, NO-- there's absolutely no reason to use those for boards. There are many many books that are designed for board review out there, and any one of them is better than trying to wade through your syllabi again. So recycle away 😀
 
Bring on the stench! If I can stand working for 6 years in the oil and gas industry and the ever-present foul smells there, 4 months in the dungeon is going to be a piece of cake. Although my wife will probably still tell me to strip at the door...
No, your wife will be yelling at you for wearing your dissection scrubs in the car before she makes you strip-down at the door. Further bad news: I thought it was just 4 months, too - it isn't. You'll be going down to the dungeon second semester, too, for neuroscience. You'll only be playing with the brain, but you still have to experience the lovely ambience of the dissection lab. Neuro practicals, with 30 brains on cafeteria trays in a line like a scence from some bad 1950s horror film, are an experience not to be missed. I agree with DoctorBagel - the anatomy lab is probably the most early-1970's part of the building and has obviously never been touched. You'll quickly realize that dissection is really not a high-tech science and you'll stop noticing the sad surroundings - the smell is the real problem.

By the way, for the aspirings on the thread - yes, the facilities in the Basic Science Education Building are quite old, but they're functional. Important stuff, like network access - corded and wireless - has been added. The reason they haven't been remodeled is because OU can't expand its class size beyond the current 162 without blowing up the building interior and starting over - which is exactly what they're going to do when they figure out how to relocate everyone for 2 years. All plans for remodeling the current configuration have been cancelled.

As I'm sure you know, the formaldehyde/phenol smell isn't a noxious smell like some sulfurous petrochemical. It's a sickly sweet smell that is kinda benign, and kinda makes you want to lose your lunch at the same time. The reason we'll laugh at you is because your nose accomodates to the smell amazingly fast. You'll blanch the first few times you walk into lab, but when you're busy working, you'll hardly notice it at all. That's about the time the smell has permeated your hair, your clothes, and your skin. As WhoIsJohnGalt was saying (by the way, WIJG - hope you rocked Step I - congratulations!!), you will hardly notice yourself about the time you become maximally offensive.

Things you'll hear from other people that I ignored and learned the hard way... it's better if you keep your scrubs and an old lab coat (and a pair of bombed-out sneakers) in a locker (you can have one assigned to you in Room 100) - it's not worth smelling your car up to take them home to wash every time. The lab is quite cool so you rarely need to wash them for hygiene purposes unless you have a spill. I would also keep an old heavy T-shirt, ideally one with long sleeves that you can push-up to the elbow, as part of your gear. The lab is really cool and can become flat-out cold as Fall moves into winter.

Keep a few extra pairs of gloves stashed somewhere - in your lab coat pocket maybe. People are very polite about asking to borrow gloves when gloves are plentiful - but as the semester moves on and everyone runs out, they'll steal gloves from any box they can find - I know because I did it (after someone stole all of mine, so I felt morally somewhat justified).

By the way, speaking of warm clothes - you'll need a light jacket or sweatshirt at all times. You may feel silly carrying one in August, but you'll be glad you did (if you're organized, you can just leave it in your mod). For whatever reason, the lecture halls are both overheated and overcooled - and there will be 8am or 9am lectures when it's still 85 degrees outside that you'll freeze your buns off inside if you don't have a jacket. Keep your summer clothes for January - some days the lecture hall is quite hot.
 
Oh yeah, I have a question for the 2009 folks -- did you use your class syllabi from first year to study for the boards? I'm trying to figure out if I should just recycle those things or hold onto them.


No. (from a 2008 folk). Review books and 1st aid only
 
Seattle (and Oregon and northern California) were awesome! I'm definitely considering Seattle when it comes time for residency applications. I like Oklahoma weather, but I could really enjoy a place where the average high temperature might be 80 degrees in August.

I think we hit as many of the highlights as we could between Seattle and Crescent City, CA. Sea kayaking, road a ferry, visited Pike Place Market, saw the Space Needle, ate salmon that hadn't been in a grocery store frozen food section for 2 weeks, Museum of Flight (amazing!), Mt. St. Helens, Crater Lake, Redwood Forests, etc. I think this was one of the best vacations I've ever taken and it couldn't have come at a better time.

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The only bad memory that I have associated with anatomy lab is that I'll never be able to appreciate using Chloraseptic throat spray again. If I ever had a sore throat I was addicted to that stuff, but now the smell of actually spraying phenol in my mouth makes me nauseous. 😛 Oh well. 😉
 
I had the center desk problem as well, and couldn't get ANYONE to switch with me 🙁 (And of course you don't know who's not coming back until they don't). It's also a pain not having your own internet jack. It's not that I ever needed to use it and couldn't, but you have to drag it over someone else's desk... anyway, I feel your pain 🙂

And to answer your question, NO-- there's absolutely no reason to use those for boards. There are many many books that are designed for board review out there, and any one of them is better than trying to wade through your syllabi again. So recycle away 😀

Cool, exactly what I wanted to hear! 😀

Congrats to you, too, on being done!! 👍
 
Seattle (and Oregon and northern California) were awesome! I'm definitely considering Seattle when it comes time for residency applications. I like Oklahoma weather, but I could really enjoy a place where the average high temperature might be 80 degrees in August.

I think we hit as many of the highlights as we could between Seattle and Crescent City, CA. Sea kayaking, road a ferry, visited Pike Place Market, saw the Space Needle, ate salmon that hadn't been in a grocery store frozen food section for 2 weeks, Museum of Flight (amazing!), Mt. St. Helens, Crater Lake, Redwood Forests, etc. I think this was one of the best vacations I've ever taken and it couldn't have come at a better time.

Ooh, I'm jealous. We were thinking about flying to Seattle, but all the tickets now are $420+. It's sort of a regional secret that the summers are nice in the Pacific NW -- 80 degrees and sunny coupled with chilly evenings is about the norm. Glad you had fun!
 
Mmmmm...Oregon coast...all the beauty of NorCal, none of the California pretention...or emissions hassle

I personally thought Seattle was a ****hole. Probably one of the dirtiest cities I've been to. I did get offered some acid at a bus-stop though, that was kinda cool. Granted, I've only spent 2 days there, and not overnight. Just REALLY long layovers...

But everything south of there, that's a different story. My wife REALLY wants to move to Astoria, which you might recognize from such movies as both Rings, Short Circuit, Kindergarten Cop, and Bagel's favorite, The Goonies! Rocky road! When we moved from Alaska, we drove from Fairbanks to OKC, taking a longcut down the Pacific Coast to Eureka and then east. Seaside, Heceta Head, sunset on the dunes, home of Prefontaine, Tillamook cheese, shark petting at Crescent City (did ya?), the biggest plate of nachos I've ever seen at Rockaway Beach, etc, etc, etc

That's where I'm going...if I don't open a dive shop in Aruba 😀
 
Mmmmm...Oregon coast...all the beauty of NorCal, none of the California pretention...or emissions hassle

I personally thought Seattle was a ****hole. Probably one of the dirtiest cities I've been to. I did get offered some acid at a bus-stop though, that was kinda cool. Granted, I've only spent 2 days there, and not overnight. Just REALLY long layovers...

But everything south of there, that's a different story. My wife REALLY wants to move to Astoria, which you might recognize from such movies as both Rings, Short Circuit, Kindergarten Cop, and Bagel's favorite, The Goonies! Rocky road! When we moved from Alaska, we drove from Fairbanks to OKC, taking a longcut down the Pacific Coast to Eureka and then east. Seaside, Heceta Head, sunset on the dunes, home of Prefontaine, Tillamook cheese, shark petting at Crescent City (did ya?), the biggest plate of nachos I've ever seen at Rockaway Beach, etc, etc, etc

That's where I'm going...if I don't open a dive shop in Aruba 😀


We didn't pet any sharks, but we weren't really in Crescent City for more than an afternoon. We actually thought pretty much everyone we met in Seattle was super nice from hotels to restaurants to market to well, I guess everywhere. 😛 We spent two days there on the front end, drove south to California, camped two days in the forest, then worked our way back north before spending a final night in Seattle and then flying home. My only regret on the trip was not taking $250 travel vouchers and the later flight out of Seattle. We ran into weather around DFW on the way back which delayed our flight enough that we missed the connecting flight back to OKC. The later flight then kept getting delayed as well, which meant that we didn't get home until close to midnight when the original itinerary had us home by 6.

On a related note, American Airlines, which I've never had a complaint about in the 10+ years I've been flying on them, really seems to be sucking it up now. First, we made our reservations back in February and got a pretty good rate. I made sure we had at least 1.5 hours in Dallas, so we wouldn't have to rush. Well, it turns out they changed our flights, and we either didn't get the update or they neglected to tell us. We landed in Dallas (on time) and had barely 5 minutes to get to our gate, which was in another terminal. They then chastised us at that gate saying they had been calling our name, that we almost lost our seats, and that next time to schedule more time for a layover. Then, on the flight to Seattle which is close to 4 hours and going both ways was over lunch time, they only had "food for purchase". They don't even give you a bag of pretzels anymore! This really sucked cause we had planned to grab something in DFW to bring on the plane to drink but had no time (my wife did have the foresight to pack sandwiches for us). Add to that the fact that the cabin crew from DFW to Seattle didn't start beverage service until about 1.2 hours into the flight and I thought there was going to be mutiny on board. 😡

I've had good experiences with American in the past, but I think it might be time to find a new airline if this is what their cost cutting measures have led to.
 
I've had good experiences with American in the past, but I think it might be time to find a new airline if this is what their cost cutting measures have led to.

Good luck with that 😉 These days, they're ALL the same-- except American really does have roomier coach seats! I just don't understand; I know the industry's cut-throat and all, but I would always be willing to pay $5 more for my ticket if it included one of their $4 snacks... it's just such a pain to flag a flight attendant down and dig money out of my purse onboard the plane. You'd figure that since some people would refuse anyway, they'd end up making money off of it, but I guess they didn't?
 
Mmmmm...Oregon coast...all the beauty of NorCal, none of the California pretention...or emissions hassle
Did you happen to see the old hospital in Crescent City? It used to be right at the north end of the harbor, and had a fantastic view of the ocean. Sutter Coast built a new one, though.

My parents retired to Brookings, which is 8 miles north of the California border and about a 20 minute drive to Crescent City. Mom and Dad both loved it up there - they lived in a small private section that was actually within the borders of Samuel Boardman State Park and had a fantastic view of the ocean from about 800 feet up. Dad always kept a telescope on the deck to watch the whales go by.

The bad thing that you don't notice from the coast highway is that both logging and fishing in that region have been decimated. If it weren't for retirees and tourists, that whole section of coast would have died. If you take some of the interior roads in Curry County, you'll see families living in bombed-out school buses - it's as bad, or worse, than anything I've ever seen in the South. There is some major league poverty around there and very few jobs... if you want to practice as a doc, be prepared to be paid in chickens!!
 
Hey, at least you didn't have poop running down the aisle! I woulda D.B. Cooper'd my ass off that flight, speaking of Oregon...

The shark petting was really anti-climactic; it was like a two foot version of the little "sharks" they sell at Walmart. But I never tell anyone that, since anyone I really know knows that I have an insane, irrational fear of sharks. Kinda like when I mention getting third place in the Sooner State Games shooting competition; I always omit the fact there were only 3 people in my age group...
 
Lol, back-country Oregon near the coast reminds me of Arkansas -- full of rusted our cars and trailers. Logging still happens a lot more than you'd like to see, too, and it is depressing.

I always thought Astoria was kinda grungy. We were really excited to go there because of the movies, but it's a run down town. Of course the worst part of 101 is Tillamook. Sure, their cheese and ice cream are good, but the consequence of all those cows is that the whole town just smells like cr@p, literally. If you go just 10 miles west though, it's beautiful.

Seattle has a mix of run down and really nice parts. I think of it as more nice than run down, but I've spent most of my time there downtown, in Bellevue and around the Seattle Center area (great place to stay, btw, because hotels there are pretty cheap). Tacoma's not so nice, and I think it's so funny that Toyota has a truck named after that town.

Of course my favorite place in the whole area is Portland. 😍 I feel like I'm in exile from the promised land.
 
Don't forget Bend. Central Oregon is awesome.
 
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