Unprofessional psychiatrist

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lockian

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Hello everyone,
I am in a perplexing situation at the intersection of the personal and professional.

My mother and brother reside in another country, and my mother has a friend there who is a psychiatrist. He has treated my brother for years. (Yes, ethically this is problematic, but it’s actually the least of my concerns. His treatment is indicated for my brother’s diagnosis, though certain side effect monitoring is neglected. As a practicing psychiatrist, I’ve tried to correct this by telling my mother and brother what side effects to watch for).

I personally know this man because he’s been a visitor to our home when I was a child, and I interned at his practice before medical school.

In general, however, he is a walking case study in how not to practice medicine. When I shadowed him in clinic, he was in an appointment with a patient and took a video call from a different patient, and had an extended conversation with the latter without stepping out of the room, or telling the patient on video that they could be heard by another patient. He has routinely taken calls from patients in the presence of my mother and myself. He assigns diagnoses to various people he knows, celebrities, and historical figures. He believes there is nothing wrong with self-prescribing psychotropic medications. He has never explained any side effects to my mother or brother. When my mother asked him about relevant side effects, he yelled.

He has even attempted to assign a diagnosis of Tourette’s to me, when I clearly do not meet the cardinal diagnostic criteria. He has not interviewed me as a patient, and he based his deductions on observations he’s made of me as a child, as his intern, and my mother’s reports. This last part is causing strife in our family because my mother is completely on his side and thinks I should follow his treatment recommendations.

And finally, this man has an… interesting view of Tourette’s, let’s just say. He believes that tics are wholly unnecessary to make the diagnosis. I have searched the medical literature, including foreign journals, but have found no evidence to suggest this. I recognize that Tourette’s can be comorbid with other conditions like ADHD and OCD, and anxiety, insomnia, and emotional outbursts can be part of the spectrum of symptoms. But per every source I’ve ever seen, tics are a necessary unifying symptom. I feel bad for other patients he diagnoses with “ticless Tourette’s” and goodness knows what else.

So my questions in this case are twofold:
—am I in fact missing something with regard to Tourette’s? Can the diagnosis really be made sans tics? And if so, what is the value of making or attempting to make such a diagnosis?
—I am seeking outside perspectives and feedback about the poisoned dynamic that his questionable care and trashy ethics have created. I am not expecting actionable advice or counsel per se. But thoughts and ideas, or even commiseration would hit the spot right about now. I am very concerned that my mother sees nothing wrong with this man’s unprofessional behavior, and continues to have him treat my brother. What this man does seems so far out of the medical norm that I struggle to imagine it would be acceptable in any country.
 
So the most important thing is in your second sentence. This occurred in another country. I have no idea what the professional standards are in that country. You don't even say what country it is. All of this behavior, including the diagnosing of Tourette's, could be common and expected in that country. I don't know if you did psychiatry training in that country to judge things like patient privacy expectations, disclosure of side-effects or treatment of friends/family. I know I didn't. There's a reason the US requires US residency training of all foreign grads. Psychiatry is, by far, the most culturally bound discipline in medicine. The DSM is not delivered from on high. It's just a publication of the American Psychiatric Association.
My advice, sought or not, is to disentangle yourself from this ASAP. It's clear you have very strong emotions about this and this is why we don't treat (or ideally) diagnose our own family members, at least in the US. You have let your mother know your opinions. She is an adult and can make her own decisions, including if she wants more information about side-effects. Arguing with her about it is not likely to be helpful.
 
I have worked with a few residents, including co-residents, who were full physicians in other countries before coming to the US (mainly Eastern Europe and India) and man do they have some wild stories about what is acceptable there. Would not be surprised if what OP is describing is acceptable there, though I agree is wildly *inappropriate here.

Agree with everything Comp said but will ad that you should set a boundary and tell your mom to piss off about your own care unless you want her opinion. You’re and adult and responsible for yourself, that’s not medical advice just a reminder of common sense. I realize that other cultures may not share that view, but it’s your life, you get o choose your own adventure.
 
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I have worked with a few residents, including co-residents, who were full physicians in other countries before coming to the US (mainly Eastern Europe and India) and man do they have some wild stories about what is acceptable there. Would not be surprised if what OP is describing is acceptable there, though I agree is wildly *inappropriate here.

Agree with everything Comp said but will ad that you should set a boundary and tell your mom to piss off about your own care unless you want her opinion. You’re and adult and responsible for yourself, that’s not medical advice just a reminder of common sense. I realize that other cultures may not share that view, but it’s your life, you get o choose your own adventure.
Very true. Boundaries. Easier said than done, but necessary.

You're also right in that I don't have much familiarity with the practice of psychiatry in that country, except for the premedical internship I mentioned in my post. That said, the in-person patient whose appointment was interrupted by a video call with another patient did in fact burst into tears, and later complained to the clinic manager (who was the doctor's wife, who did in fact bring the complaint back to him, but he seemed to ignore it.) So my guess is that even in that culture some of what this doc does is not acceptable, at least not to everyone. Oh, well. It's not like I can report him or keep him from treating my brother, so you're right. Best to just let it go.
 
Hello everyone,
I am in a perplexing situation at the intersection of the personal and professional.

My mother and brother reside in another country, and my mother has a friend there who is a psychiatrist. He has treated my brother for years. (Yes, ethically this is problematic, but it’s actually the least of my concerns. His treatment is indicated for my brother’s diagnosis, though certain side effect monitoring is neglected. As a practicing psychiatrist, I’ve tried to correct this by telling my mother and brother what side effects to watch for).

I personally know this man because he’s been a visitor to our home when I was a child, and I interned at his practice before medical school.

In general, however, he is a walking case study in how not to practice medicine. When I shadowed him in clinic, he was in an appointment with a patient and took a video call from a different patient, and had an extended conversation with the latter without stepping out of the room, or telling the patient on video that they could be heard by another patient. He has routinely taken calls from patients in the presence of my mother and myself. He assigns diagnoses to various people he knows, celebrities, and historical figures. He believes there is nothing wrong with self-prescribing psychotropic medications. He has never explained any side effects to my mother or brother. When my mother asked him about relevant side effects, he yelled.

He has even attempted to assign a diagnosis of Tourette’s to me, when I clearly do not meet the cardinal diagnostic criteria. He has not interviewed me as a patient, and he based his deductions on observations he’s made of me as a child, as his intern, and my mother’s reports. This last part is causing strife in our family because my mother is completely on his side and thinks I should follow his treatment recommendations.

And finally, this man has an… interesting view of Tourette’s, let’s just say. He believes that tics are wholly unnecessary to make the diagnosis. I have searched the medical literature, including foreign journals, but have found no evidence to suggest this. I recognize that Tourette’s can be comorbid with other conditions like ADHD and OCD, and anxiety, insomnia, and emotional outbursts can be part of the spectrum of symptoms. But per every source I’ve ever seen, tics are a necessary unifying symptom. I feel bad for other patients he diagnoses with “ticless Tourette’s” and goodness knows what else.

So my questions in this case are twofold:
—am I in fact missing something with regard to Tourette’s? Can the diagnosis really be made sans tics? And if so, what is the value of making or attempting to make such a diagnosis?
—I am seeking outside perspectives and feedback about the poisoned dynamic that his questionable care and trashy ethics have created. I am not expecting actionable advice or counsel per se. But thoughts and ideas, or even commiseration would hit the spot right about now. I am very concerned that my mother sees nothing wrong with this man’s unprofessional behavior, and continues to have him treat my brother. What this man does seems so far out of the medical norm that I struggle to imagine it would be acceptable in any country.
What does he claim are the symptoms of ticless Tourette’s?