UOP 3-year vs. 4-year programs

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How does UOP manage to squeeze an entire DDS degree into 3 years?

Is any part of one's dental education compromised as a result?

What advantages/disadvantages does UOP's 3-year program have?


I ask because one of my pre-health advisors is highly skeptical about UOP's program. In his opinion (one which i greatly respect), he feels that there must be something lacking for UOP to squeeze everything into a 3-year program. I've looked at the curriculum, and it looks solid.
Idealistically, though, 3 years would be sweet.

I'd really appreciate any thoughts.

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How does UOP manage to squeeze an entire DDS degree into 3 years?

Is any part of one's dental education compromised as a result?

What advantages/disadvantages does UOP's 3-year program have?


I ask because one of my pre-health advisors is highly skeptical about UOP's program. In his opinion (one which i greatly respect), he feels that there must be something lacking for UOP to squeeze everything into a 3-year program. I've looked at the curriculum, and it looks solid.
Idealistically, though, 3 years would be sweet.

I'd really appreciate any thoughts.

I am a D1 at UoP and can provide some input. However, recent graduates or upperclassmen may be able to provide more comprehensive insight.

UoP gets it done in three years in several ways. We go year round with only eight weeks off a year. If you've seen the curriculum, you see that we go full days, everyday. A lot of the work is done on our own time with many evenings and Saturdays spent in the simlab finishing lab projects. We start in the simlab the first week of school.

UoP would not be accredited if it provided a compromised education. I have no point of reference if some class material is covered in less depth than at other schools. I feel that it has been comprehensive so far.

Advantages:
-You are done in three years and have an extra year of earning potential.
-UoP has a great reputation for producing dentists that have a high level of clinical competence.
-The humanistic approach is practiced as advertised. I love being treated as a colleague and not as dirt. We are treated well and the administration listens to us when we have problems.
-Happy students. We get along well and help each other out, a lot.
-San Francisco is a great place to live, learn, and have fun.
-no shortage of patients. There is a 2 month waiting list for new patients.

Disadvantages:
-UoP is really expensive.
-Be prepared to work hard, put in long hours, and feel overwhelmed often.
-Some say if you want to specialize, then UoP is not the place to attend. I don't believe this. If you want to specialize, you will, regardless of where you attend school.

I hope this helps. I know I am biased, but I would not be attending Pacific if I thought I was getting a subpar education. I think the numbers speak for themselves: last year there were ~3200 applicants for ~140 spots, average DAT scores are 21/21/20 (AA/TS/PAT), average GPA is 3.37 overall and 3.3 science. GPA is lower than some schools, but the overall application is taken into account when selecting students.

Good luck!
 
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How does UOP manage to squeeze an entire DDS degree into 3 years?


BJHath has it down here pretty good here. I'll elaborate on a couple of other points. There are only two specialty training programs associated with Pacific, and only 1 on site (Orthodontics). This means that the case load for DDS students is maximized, as there are no "senior students" to poach your cases. Anything you treatment plan, you can treat.

Is any part of one's dental education compromised as a result?

Absolutely not. As far as subjective standards go, Pacific is regarded as one of the better dental schools "clinically" in the country, and despite having a 3 year curriculum boasts that our average hours of clinical time are higher than the national average. More objectively, the last time CODA visited Pacific and gave commendations (2000), the DDS program received one of the highest amount of commendations in the country (despite having only 3 post-graduate residencies evaluated, compared to 6-9 at most schools).



What advantages/disadvantages does UOP's 3-year program have?

I think BJ covered these pretty well. I'd reinforce that not having specialty programs on site means you'll be doing more advanced procedure like molar endo, perio surgery, prosth reconstruction, etc... than you might do at other programs.

I ask because one of my pre-health advisors is highly skeptical about UOP's program. In his opinion (one which i greatly respect), he feels that there must be something lacking for UOP to squeeze everything into a 3-year program.

I find it interesting that your pre-health advisor would take such a dim view of a program which has historically produced not only excellent graduates, but many leaders in the field (Dugoni, Buchanan, Dorfman), and which has met and exceeded all requirements set forth by CODA for graduating competent dentists. I understand you respect your advisor, but ask yourself how involved in dental education are they? Have they done their due diligence? How much research have they done into Pacific's program and curriculum? Have they ever met with the Pacific administration, or CODA administration in regards to Pacific?

If the answer to these is no, then not only are you dealing with a single persons opinion, you're dealing with a single persons uninformed opinion.
 
If SDN was around when I followed the uninformed advisors at my college, I'm pretty sure I would've taken a different path to my DDS.

Your advisor is mistaken about UOP. It is a good school. Everything gets done in 3 years because the breaks are so short. It's not for everyone. I've met people who turned down UOP because they didn't want to cram an already stressful school experience into 3 years. We got nice summer breaks at my 4-year school and I definitely needed those to recharge prior to the new school year.
 
Just going to throw this out there. I don't know how it is at other schools, just how it is here.

At Pacific, it is not an oddity for the numero uno dude in the class to NOT do a residency. Thats right. There are just some really good (i.e. ranks/boards) kids who think general dentistry is awesome. Thats Pacific right there in a nutshell. The culture is directed towards producing good general dentists. You are not a failure if you do not specialize.

On the other hand, folks like Armorshell who are going to rule the dental world, are not treated differently, looked down on (or looked up to, for that matter, at least not on the basis of just applying for a residency alone) or anything like that. Everyone is just pretty chill about people doing their own thing.

So there you have it. Pacific has a culture that glorifies general dentistry while happily producing its fair share of specialdontists.
 
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