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USC or Midwestern IL? ADVICE!
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Which is cheaper? I know USC is 110k a year til 3rd year. How much is MWU?
Where do u live at?
Do u like PBL or traditional lecture?
Do u mind living in the cold in IL?
I know that MWU has good faculty to student ratio. What about USC chair problems?
I rather want less headaches to deal with if I were u.
Where do u live at?
Do u like PBL or traditional lecture?
Do u mind living in the cold in IL?
I know that MWU has good faculty to student ratio. What about USC chair problems?
I rather want less headaches to deal with if I were u.
There both around the same price! I would take an established school over one of the new ones any day....but I would make your decision based on location!
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MWU Is cheaper but not my much. I'm trying to not make a decision based on money. I am from the Midwest, and I don't necessarily mind lecture or PBL.
I've just heard a lot of negatives about USC and MWU is fairly new although their faculty has come from other dental schools and they have an established school in Arizona
Take the negatives you hear with a grain of salt! Since your from the Midwest I would go to Midwestern! However, USC is most likely the better school and tends to attract students with higher stats then Mid-IL
thats not completely true perio.
Every year USC is trying to fill their class roster and I'm sure many reject USC due to cost and PBL.
to OP: if you dont mind PBL or lecture then it comes down to location. However, I heard even some hard working people at USC find PBL frustrating. You don't want to handle that while taking boards. I have a buffalo graduate that told me she share notes with a USC student and its sad to see how far apart they are when they are within the same year.
Maybe now USC has improved and for sure USC clinical skills are good since you are on PBL curriculum.
disclaimer: its a word of mouth so take it with a grain of salt like perio said.
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I'm trying to decide between the two schools as well. Any feedback would be appreciated! I really liked the atmosphere at USC and i know that the name is more well known but I'm not sure if it is worth the cost.
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Want to work in a simulation lab...
Similar to this one?...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvuVHwSjEiM
Or this one?...http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/15463.html Do they sell these monitors anymore?
Similar to this one?...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvuVHwSjEiM
Or this one?...http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/15463.html Do they sell these monitors anymore?
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So I know nothing about USC (except the many negative RUMORS that fly around here). I did interview with and was accepted to MWU-IL (will not be attending due to price). In my opinion, MWU-IL sits at a unique cross roads. It is brand new so it comes with all of the latest and hi-tech equipment (everything is so shiny and clean), but it is based off an established curriculum and I heard it poached some established professors from UIC dental, along with a few other schools. I know the clinic is being built as we speak, but with the population density around the area and using the system in place at Arizona, I would be surprised if getting patients will be a problem. It is located in suburbs...so that's a pro or con depending on the person. But being from the midwest, and if I had these two choices...I would probably choose MWU-IL for the reasons listed above. HOWEVER, I have absolutely zero personal experience with USC...so take this with a grain of salt.
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D1 here at USC. I was debating between MWU and USC last year around this time as well. Let me give my 2 cents about SC.
The sim lab equipment is very old, my high speed doesn't fit very well, overhead lamp went out on me once, resolution on that monitor sucks and the colors are faded, which is important because you take exams on that monitor, sometimes it would be helpful to see what the arrow is pointing at.
But the materials that you use in the lab are the best on the market, but of course we're paying for it. aesthetic is huge here, you even have lectures on how society defines beauty, we use white wax instead of green/blue wax, some of the techniques that Pascal Magne teaches is not found in other dental schools. Magne is very prominent figure in dentistry, hes like the father of biomimetics and he does alot of research with biomechanics, he's good, but I don't think he's necessary the best teacher.
Some faculties here care so much about you, they go out of their ways to help you. Some on the other hand are just there to screw students. unannounced quiz at 8 in the morning with doors locked so that late comers won't be able to take it, or a quiz at 5pm so those people that left lab early cannot take it, not to mention most of the powerpoint presentations will not be given to you, but people in our class always take pictures of the ppt and share it with the class anyways.
I hated PBL when I first started, there will be some holes in my basic science knowledge. You can learn as much as you put in, but not as much as traditional lectures. The facilitators of PBL is a hit and miss, some are good, some have ego trip, but what you do have is alot of free time, I think most students spend 2.5-3full days in the simlab everyweek.
student attitude here is super chill, there are some gunners here but not many, only 30 something students out of 144 made 3.5+GPA last semester, so if you want to gun for an OMFS or Ortho residency this could be a pretty good place.
If I had to choose again I would come to USC again, the food here is good, weather is good, it's easy to pass the classes, at the end PBL teaches you just what you need to know, I think we're just as competent as students from other schools, we will be drilling and filling for the most part, not doing differential diagnosis.
but of course if you get into another school that's cheaper than MWU and USC, go there in a heart beat.
The sim lab equipment is very old, my high speed doesn't fit very well, overhead lamp went out on me once, resolution on that monitor sucks and the colors are faded, which is important because you take exams on that monitor, sometimes it would be helpful to see what the arrow is pointing at.
But the materials that you use in the lab are the best on the market, but of course we're paying for it. aesthetic is huge here, you even have lectures on how society defines beauty, we use white wax instead of green/blue wax, some of the techniques that Pascal Magne teaches is not found in other dental schools. Magne is very prominent figure in dentistry, hes like the father of biomimetics and he does alot of research with biomechanics, he's good, but I don't think he's necessary the best teacher.
Some faculties here care so much about you, they go out of their ways to help you. Some on the other hand are just there to screw students. unannounced quiz at 8 in the morning with doors locked so that late comers won't be able to take it, or a quiz at 5pm so those people that left lab early cannot take it, not to mention most of the powerpoint presentations will not be given to you, but people in our class always take pictures of the ppt and share it with the class anyways.
I hated PBL when I first started, there will be some holes in my basic science knowledge. You can learn as much as you put in, but not as much as traditional lectures. The facilitators of PBL is a hit and miss, some are good, some have ego trip, but what you do have is alot of free time, I think most students spend 2.5-3full days in the simlab everyweek.
student attitude here is super chill, there are some gunners here but not many, only 30 something students out of 144 made 3.5+GPA last semester, so if you want to gun for an OMFS or Ortho residency this could be a pretty good place.
If I had to choose again I would come to USC again, the food here is good, weather is good, it's easy to pass the classes, at the end PBL teaches you just what you need to know, I think we're just as competent as students from other schools, we will be drilling and filling for the most part, not doing differential diagnosis.
but of course if you get into another school that's cheaper than MWU and USC, go there in a heart beat.
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Umm...most people here have not actually looked at Midwesterns tuitions+fees...it is much cheaper than they think...tuition+fees+books is less than 270k for 4 years
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Have you looked at the tuition and fees?
Tuition 60,774
Student service fees 575
Supply Fee 3,913
Instrument Rental 1,805
SIM Lab/ Clinic Fee 4,696
Books & Supplies 3,349
Surgical Telescope Atlas 1,747
Technology (Laptop) Fee 1,500
=78,359x4=$313,436
Tuition and Fees will increase around 5% each year.
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That is some BS. A school should be providing you with as much (of the best) resources possible for you to be the most competant/educated etc... clinician. What's the point, other than to make your life more difficult, from not giving out the powerpoints?
🙄
I would be beyond upset. Just the principle behind it, especially when you are paying so much....
This isn't highschool anymore.
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Yes, I know about all the grains of salt. But if a fraction of this is true, then MWU-IL should be the easy choice. Match up dollar-for-dollar as best you can, including cost of living, and see how she looks.
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Kinda agree with you. I didn't realize that most professors don't provide powerpoints. 🙁. Kinda a bummer.
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Oh man you are misinformed bro. This is it
Tuition 60,774
Student service fees 575
Supply Fee 3,913
Instrument Rental 1,805
SIM Lab/ Clinic Fee 4,696
Books & Supplies 3,349
Surgical Telescope Atlas 1,747
Technology (Laptop) Fee 1,500
The stuff I bolded are 1 time fees during first year, not yearly fees. The website is not correct, call them and ask if you want. But in the mitircuation agreement they will link a pdf that puts those fees (excluding telescope and laptop) as like a 10K one time fee.
As for books and supplies, the costs for books drops every year, down to 400 for 4th year. And apparently most people dont buy books but just use slides.
You also forgot health insurance which is 2496 yearly. So total will be around 278k for 4 yrs.
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The loupes and laptop fee are 1x fees, and I believe the rest are yearly fees. I mean, there is always going to be a clinic/SIM fee, along with instruments and supplies. I wouldn't even include books since no one buys the texts (and a lot of them are actually online via their library). Health insurance through the school is like what you mentioned, but if your parents are insured then that can get waived, and you can also get a 3rd party insurance for $1200/yr
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Hey if you add up
Supply Fee 3,913
Instrument Rental 1,805
SIM Lab/ Clinic Fee 4,696
Its 10414 which is the EXACT amount of the 1 time fee of 10414 in the first year as per pdf. Also I called them and they said their website only shows the fees for first year and that the sim lab fee is only in first year.
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I'm going off of the numbers they gave me during the interview brah. I didn't include health insurance because that is a cost at every school, just like housing, car, etc. (everyone will need a car to get to the dental clinic which is a few miles away, and not even open yet)
The number MWU provides as annual cost of attendance is $102,907/year, with a ~5% increase in tuition and fees every year.
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So basically for years 2-4, the only fees MWU-IL charges (besides the base tuition) is the Student service fees + Books/supplies (which I don't really count)?
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Yeah 102k sounds right for first year (9months). 78k+24k rent food vehicle etc.
It might be 10k less in fees for remaining years so you'll be paying 68 k to the school but you will be paying rent 3 months longer in yrs 2 and 3 so it will cancel out that 10k saving and the price will still be be about 102k I'm guessing.
Also note that ,MWU does not charge extra for summers like most state schools do. Its 68k a year regardless of summers or not. This is a huge advantage because state schools will charge you like 15k per summer and that means additional 30k for OOS.
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http://www.midwestern.edu/programs-and-admission/student-financial-services/budgets.html
Call them and ask them if you want but that 10 414 is a one time charge.
Supply Fee 3,913
Instrument Rental 1,805
SIM Lab/ Clinic Fee 4,696
The above fees are not stated individually in the pdf and they add up to...you guessed it: 10 414 (this number is stated in pdf as other fees and if you call and ask them they will tell you its a 1 time charge)
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Here's the tuition for 2nd year:
Tuition - $63,813
Student Services Fee - $600
Other Fees - $10,935
Instrument Fees 0
Technology Fee 0
Health Insurance - $3,492
Disability Insurance - $63
Not including loan fees.
Apparently those fees you mentioned are not one-time, but rather reoccurring.
Tuition - $63,813
Student Services Fee - $600
Other Fees - $10,935
Instrument Fees 0
Technology Fee 0
Health Insurance - $3,492
Disability Insurance - $63
Not including loan fees.
Apparently those fees you mentioned are not one-time, but rather reoccurring.
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Oh your right...I goofed...I called them twice before and they said it was a one time fee...and I called them today so its gonna be a yearly fee...so in Glendale, with anticipated tuition 5% hike is 325k.
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Quick question...NYU or USC ? I am really lost...prices for both places are the same...
I loved the campus at NYU, loved the lifestyle. USC has the nice weather and its in Cali...
They are both really good schools! I need advise and suggestions!
I loved the campus at NYU, loved the lifestyle. USC has the nice weather and its in Cali...
They are both really good schools! I need advise and suggestions!
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Go to NYU, I heard it's just like USC except in NY. Dr. Abelson just announced that he's going to another school, he's dean of the clinical floor. Dr. Fung went to Western last year, Dr. Malamed the anesthesia god is retiring, Dr. Lee left USC OMFS to Penn. There is a reason why all the good faculties are all leaving at once, good thing USC is getting accredited again this year.
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I also heard about some other faculty as well - Dr. Parminter, Dr. Kahn, and Dr. Burnett. What's going on with USC? All the faculty are either retiring or jumping ship?
I also heard about some other faculty as well - Dr. Parminter, Dr. Kahn, and Dr. Burnett. What's going on with USC? All the faculty are either retiring or jumping ship?
The question is: where is all the money being spent at? 100k per year per student.
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I also heard about some other faculty as well - Dr. Parminter, Dr. Kahn, and Dr. Burnett. What's going on with USC? All the faculty are either retiring or jumping ship?
Bluefield is looking for a dean. So is Florida. She's resigning to go work for Dentsply. And maybe Nova.
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Don't go to USC.
The students at USC call it "Online School of Dentistry of USC"
Sadan (the dean) is currently getting rid of the old/ experienced professors and replacing them with cheaper/less experienced professors.
My guess is that he wants to take the big donation that USC recently got for himself. The old professors probably all wanted a piece of the donation.
He gave us a presentation, and a Lamborghini brochure showed up on his desktop. Yeah. All he cares is his Lamborghini.
We told him so many times about our problems, he always said "don't worry about it, I will fix it"
Guess what. Same exact things show up on the next exam: poorly worded questions, exams full of typos, things on random topics not covered in PBL.
PBL is a way to save money for USC so they can make the biggest profit off of your tuition!
Take your money and go to another school. I can't say anything about Midwestern-IL. But it looks like school trying to make money too...Good luck!
The students at USC call it "Online School of Dentistry of USC"
Sadan (the dean) is currently getting rid of the old/ experienced professors and replacing them with cheaper/less experienced professors.
My guess is that he wants to take the big donation that USC recently got for himself. The old professors probably all wanted a piece of the donation.
He gave us a presentation, and a Lamborghini brochure showed up on his desktop. Yeah. All he cares is his Lamborghini.
We told him so many times about our problems, he always said "don't worry about it, I will fix it"
Guess what. Same exact things show up on the next exam: poorly worded questions, exams full of typos, things on random topics not covered in PBL.
PBL is a way to save money for USC so they can make the biggest profit off of your tuition!
Take your money and go to another school. I can't say anything about Midwestern-IL. But it looks like school trying to make money too...Good luck!
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No.
Also the cost of living is far higher in LA and your campus is in the getto. I would go MWU.
