USMLE - Official 2015 Step 2 CK Experiences and Scores Thread

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With 2015 right around the corner I think it's a good time to begin a Step 2 CK experiences and scores thread for 2015. Let's keep the all experiences and scores in this thread.

Good luck to everyone taking the exam in 2015!
 
colombian IMG (december 2014 grad)
my not so good and not so brilliant step 2 ck experience
step 1 : 243
uworld avg: 76% OVERALL
nbme 3 45 days before exam : 229
uwsa 2 days before exam 263

real step 2 ck : 238

my main problems; i didnt sleep weel before test, i ran out of time on several times. my assestment overshot me because i didnt time them
big mistake. anyway must important advice, time management .
good luck
 
Took CK on October 2nd, my link disappeared on Monday. Still haven't heard anything, but it seems like scores have been coming out between 11AM and noon lately.

Anyone out there with ck results....I think, those who gave exam until Oct 2nd, may expect results today

All the best guys.....
 
Failed with 198 🙁(((
Dont know what to do, I had been averaging 75% on uworld with timed and random mixed, even did the second go with 80%, on nbme 7 i got 225.
Just cant understand what went wrong, everyone finds the exam hard on test day but I didnt expect to fail 🙁((
 
Failed with 198 🙁(((
Dont know what to do, I had been averaging 75% on uworld with timed and random mixed, even did the second go with 80%, on nbme 7 i got 225.
Just cant understand what went wrong, everyone finds the exam hard on test day but I didnt expect to fail 🙁((
Sorry for your loss. All you can do is regroup, take it again, pass and try and move on the best way possible.
 
I looked at July 2016 scheduling today and all the sites in my area are full for the entire month. +pissed+ I can't imagine that its full 9 months away. First Aid Step 2ck says that scheduling permits aren't even released until 6 months before your 3 month eligibility period.

Are they legitimately all full? Have they just not listed the times yet?

If so, when should I try to schedule my exam if I want late July of next year?

thanks y'all
 
I looked at July 2016 scheduling today and all the sites in my area are full for the entire month. +pissed+ I can't imagine that its full 9 months away. First Aid Step 2ck says that scheduling permits aren't even released until 6 months before your 3 month eligibility period.

Are they legitimately all full? Have they just not listed the times yet?

If so, when should I try to schedule my exam if I want late July of next year?

thanks y'all

If what you say is true about the 6 month thing, it wouldn't make sense for all the dates to be full if people couldn't get their permits. The first period that includes July would be May-June-July so 6 months before will be November. Are dates full in May or June?
 
My school doesn't let us take it until 3rd year is officially over. I'd like to take it at the end of July because my school allows us to take July, and only July, as a board study month in lieu of an elective rotation. Which is a huge pain because we don't get third year electives and I don't want to take step 2 during my very few elective rotations.
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Yes, there are dates available in May and June. As you can see there is one day available in July, and the results are similar for the other prometric sites in my area. Curious. Thanks for your input.
 
My school doesn't let us take it until 3rd year is officially over. I'd like to take it at the end of July because my school allows us to take July, and only July, as a board study month in lieu of an elective rotation. Which is a huge pain because we don't get third year electives and I don't want to take step 2 during my very few elective rotations.
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Yes, there are dates available in May and June. As you can see there is one day available in July, and the results are similar for the other prometric sites in my area. Curious. Thanks for your input.

That's weird that there's one date available. Worst case scenario, would you be able to take it the first week of August? They have Saturday dates. A few people in my class did that even though it meant having a week of a rotation before the exam.
 
yeah I could do that, and it wouldn't be a big deal. It would just be convenient for me to focus on one thing at a time.
 
If you're close, you can always fly to a metropolitan area (if you aren't in one) a few days before and stay with a friend, etc. It's quite common and would likely be worth the "convenience." You'd obviously paying in terms of literal $$, but I would think it is worth it.
 
Failed with 198 🙁(((
Dont know what to do, I had been averaging 75% on uworld with timed and random mixed, even did the second go with 80%, on nbme 7 i got 225.
Just cant understand what went wrong, everyone finds the exam hard on test day but I didnt expect to fail 🙁((


Your UW 75% first time plus nbme7 225 meant you are ready to pass it. Is there any issue on your test day?
 
Your UW 75% first time plus nbme7 225 meant you are ready to pass it. Is there any issue on your test day?

No I had no issues, was a little anxious but thats normal i guess, struggled with timing on 3,4 blocks but only missed a couple of questions, in the rest I was able to put down a reasonable guess at least, but still those few questions couldnt cause such a substantial reduction in my score. I will
Admit though that thr exam felt a lot tougher amd vague when compared to uworld.

Im just confused about the next step to take now.
 
I took the exam on the same day and had a very similar experience. My actual score was well below what I had been scoring on the nbmes.

No I had no issues, was a little anxious but thats normal i guess, struggled with timing on 3,4 blocks but only missed a couple of questions, in the rest I was able to put down a reasonable guess at least, but still those few questions couldnt cause such a substantial reduction in my score. I will
Admit though that thr exam felt a lot tougher amd vague when compared to uworld.

Im just confused about the next step to take now.
 
No I had no issues, was a little anxious but thats normal i guess, struggled with timing on 3,4 blocks but only missed a couple of questions, in the rest I was able to put down a reasonable guess at least, but still those few questions couldnt cause such a substantial reduction in my score. I will
Admit though that thr exam felt a lot tougher amd vague when compared to uworld.

Im just confused about the next step to take now.
Were there questions that you didn't get a chance to answer? If so, how many?
And when did you take your exam?
 
Scrupulous study of UW will help immensely for the real deal. There were many questions I answered due to recognizing similar concepts that I learned from UW. Unfortunately I had limited time to prepare for this test (a bit over a week) and only finished about half of UW. Did not have any time to do practice tests. Had I completed the entire thing I'm sure it would have helped. I did not use any other resources. I think I passed but I'm not so certain I got the same kind of score as I did on Step 1. Oh well, what's done is done. I was by no means a shelf monster like some people here but I felt I had a decent foundation with UW to help smooth out the rough areas.

As for my experience taking the test, I had one really tough block with really strange questions. But then it was also when I made the mistake of not taking a break and I was starting to feel hypoglycemic so that might have been a factor. It left me wondering though how they mix in throwaway questions; whether an entire block can be dedicated to them or if they just mix them into every block (without having a dedicated block of throwaways).

Regarding the kind of questions I saw: There were probably 2-3 stats questions I couldn't answer with certainty. Probably about 10 questions with presentations that I've never encountered. About the same number of questions with concepts I've never seen before as well. A good handful of questions too where at least two answers seemed very reasonable and the presentation offered no real details to differentiate between the two. Strangely I had a lot of similar questions asking about the same 2-3 diseases. I also had at least 6 questions asking about one of my weak areas and this gave me some difficulty. A few questions I only knew because of a specific rotation or experience (like maybe I've encountered once in my entire 3rd year); otherwise there would be almost no way to answer the question correctly for the average medical student. I actually wondered about this while doing UW; our education during 3rd years are so varied and cover so many different things, it's a wonder that they expect you to know all this information without having a few holes here and there. I've come across many questions where I was sure that even attendings would have a hard time choosing the right answer. Oh and I most definitely leaked some troponins whenever that 5 minute warning popped onto my screen for every block; I don't remember this being on Step 1. I even almost ended a block halfway through (clicking "end"); thank heavens there was a confirmation box that popped up before that happened. This is a very long test and the mental drain is real.

All in all, focus on knowing a lot of different things. Some things you can figure out, sure, but usually that's only because you know a fact or two at least peripherally related to the question. The more factoids you know, and the better you can piece them together, the better you'll perform. It's impossible to be systematic about this like with Step 1 (where FA/UW has nearly everything), so just try to pick up here and there as many things as you can and hope it all adds up.

Time management is key. I was not used to keeping time after I got used to doing tutor mode. I was a bit close on some sections but just forced myself to select answers on gut instinct and made it a goal to be past question 22 before 30 minutes was up (just to speed up accordingly; I'm sure you can calculate better goals like dividing each block into quarters or something). Also using breaks properly is essential. I actually went a bit over on my last break, which took a few minutes off my actual block, but these breaks will keep you alive taking an 8 hour test.

I guess if by some miracle I actually did decently then maybe this is hope for those who don't have much time to study and just want to focus on doing UW questions.
 
Scrupulous study of UW will help immensely for the real deal. There were many questions I answered due to recognizing similar concepts that I learned from UW. Unfortunately I had limited time to prepare for this test (a bit over a week) and only finished about half of UW. Did not have any time to do practice tests. Had I completed the entire thing I'm sure it would have helped. I did not use any other resources. I think I passed but I'm not so certain I got the same kind of score as I did on Step 1. Oh well, what's done is done. I was by no means a shelf monster like some people here but I felt I had a decent foundation with UW to help smooth out the rough areas.

As for my experience taking the test, I had one really tough block with really strange questions. But then it was also when I made the mistake of not taking a break and I was starting to feel hypoglycemic so that might have been a factor. It left me wondering though how they mix in throwaway questions; whether an entire block can be dedicated to them or if they just mix them into every block (without having a dedicated block of throwaways).

Regarding the kind of questions I saw: There were probably 2-3 stats questions I couldn't answer with certainty. Probably about 10 questions with presentations that I've never encountered. About the same number of questions with concepts I've never seen before as well. A good handful of questions too where at least two answers seemed very reasonable and the presentation offered no real details to differentiate between the two. Strangely I had a lot of similar questions asking about the same 2-3 diseases. I also had at least 6 questions asking about one of my weak areas and this gave me some difficulty. A few questions I only knew because of a specific rotation or experience (like maybe I've encountered once in my entire 3rd year); otherwise there would be almost no way to answer the question correctly for the average medical student. I actually wondered about this while doing UW; our education during 3rd years are so varied and cover so many different things, it's a wonder that they expect you to know all this information without having a few holes here and there. I've come across many questions where I was sure that even attendings would have a hard time choosing the right answer. Oh and I most definitely leaked some troponins whenever that 5 minute warning popped onto my screen for every block; I don't remember this being on Step 1. I even almost ended a block halfway through (clicking "end"); thank heavens there was a confirmation box that popped up before that happened. This is a very long test and the mental drain is real.

All in all, focus on knowing a lot of different things. Some things you can figure out, sure, but usually that's only because you know a fact or two at least peripherally related to the question. The more factoids you know, and the better you can piece them together, the better you'll perform. It's impossible to be systematic about this like with Step 1 (where FA/UW has nearly everything), so just try to pick up here and there as many things as you can and hope it all adds up.

Time management is key. I was not used to keeping time after I got used to doing tutor mode. I was a bit close on some sections but just forced myself to select answers on gut instinct and made it a goal to be past question 22 before 30 minutes was up (just to speed up accordingly; I'm sure you can calculate better goals like dividing each block into quarters or something). Also using breaks properly is essential. I actually went a bit over on my last break, which took a few minutes off my actual block, but these breaks will keep you alive taking an 8 hour test.

I guess if by some miracle I actually did decently then maybe this is hope for those who don't have much time to study and just want to focus on doing UW questions.

How much percentage of step1 concepts popped up in step2 ck.....what is your step1 score (if you don't mind) ...thanks for your experience...all the best for good score
 
Scrupulous study of UW will help immensely for the real deal. There were many questions I answered due to recognizing similar concepts that I learned from UW. Unfortunately I had limited time to prepare for this test (a bit over a week) and only finished about half of UW. Did not have any time to do practice tests. Had I completed the entire thing I'm sure it would have helped. I did not use any other resources. I think I passed but I'm not so certain I got the same kind of score as I did on Step 1. Oh well, what's done is done. I was by no means a shelf monster like some people here but I felt I had a decent foundation with UW to help smooth out the rough areas.

As for my experience taking the test, I had one really tough block with really strange questions. But then it was also when I made the mistake of not taking a break and I was starting to feel hypoglycemic so that might have been a factor. It left me wondering though how they mix in throwaway questions; whether an entire block can be dedicated to them or if they just mix them into every block (without having a dedicated block of throwaways).

Regarding the kind of questions I saw: There were probably 2-3 stats questions I couldn't answer with certainty. Probably about 10 questions with presentations that I've never encountered. About the same number of questions with concepts I've never seen before as well. A good handful of questions too where at least two answers seemed very reasonable and the presentation offered no real details to differentiate between the two. Strangely I had a lot of similar questions asking about the same 2-3 diseases. I also had at least 6 questions asking about one of my weak areas and this gave me some difficulty. A few questions I only knew because of a specific rotation or experience (like maybe I've encountered once in my entire 3rd year); otherwise there would be almost no way to answer the question correctly for the average medical student. I actually wondered about this while doing UW; our education during 3rd years are so varied and cover so many different things, it's a wonder that they expect you to know all this information without having a few holes here and there. I've come across many questions where I was sure that even attendings would have a hard time choosing the right answer. Oh and I most definitely leaked some troponins whenever that 5 minute warning popped onto my screen for every block; I don't remember this being on Step 1. I even almost ended a block halfway through (clicking "end"); thank heavens there was a confirmation box that popped up before that happened. This is a very long test and the mental drain is real.

All in all, focus on knowing a lot of different things. Some things you can figure out, sure, but usually that's only because you know a fact or two at least peripherally related to the question. The more factoids you know, and the better you can piece them together, the better you'll perform. It's impossible to be systematic about this like with Step 1 (where FA/UW has nearly everything), so just try to pick up here and there as many things as you can and hope it all adds up.

Time management is key. I was not used to keeping time after I got used to doing tutor mode. I was a bit close on some sections but just forced myself to select answers on gut instinct and made it a goal to be past question 22 before 30 minutes was up (just to speed up accordingly; I'm sure you can calculate better goals like dividing each block into quarters or something). Also using breaks properly is essential. I actually went a bit over on my last break, which took a few minutes off my actual block, but these breaks will keep you alive taking an 8 hour test.

I guess if by some miracle I actually did decently then maybe this is hope for those who don't have much time to study and just want to focus on doing UW questions.

So is UWorld enough as a single source? Maybe I'm misinterpreting your post, but it sounds like they're asking a lot of questions about concepts that are not in UWorld.
Also, how does one prepare for all the left field concepts? Or is it just a matter of taking the best guess based on what they give you?
 
Were there questions that you didn't get a chance to answer? If so, how many?
And when did you take your exam?
There were about 5-10 questions I couldnt give proper time to but I guessed them and selected a choice at least. I gave mine on the 27th sept.
Uworld only is definitely not enough anymore. It may have been the qbank of choice for many years but thats changed definitely, Perhaps the test makers know that uworld is an overused source so they are making sure its not enough for ppl to pass with, Id recommend using non mainstream sources to prep now since thats where all the esoteric questions and WTF scenarios come from.
 
There were about 5-10 questions I couldnt give proper time to but I guessed them and selected a choice at least. I gave mine on the 27th sept.
Uworld only is definitely not enough anymore. It may have been the qbank of choice for many years but thats changed definitely, Perhaps the test makers know that uworld is an overused source so they are making sure its not enough for ppl to pass with, Id recommend using non mainstream sources to prep now since thats where all the esoteric questions and WTF scenarios come from.

Can someone elaborate more on this ? (recent test takers)
 
There were about 5-10 questions I couldnt give proper time to but I guessed them and selected a choice at least. I gave mine on the 27th sept.
Uworld only is definitely not enough anymore. It may have been the qbank of choice for many years but thats changed definitely, Perhaps the test makers know that uworld is an overused source so they are making sure its not enough for ppl to pass with, Id recommend using non mainstream sources to prep now since thats where all the esoteric questions and WTF scenarios come from.
What non mainstream sources do you suggest?
 
I didn't ace my shelfs by any means and quite some time has passed since completing my clinical rotations. Is UWorld still enough?
IMO yes, but I guess everyone has different backgrounds and circumstances. I am a poor source for other resources to use because I just didn't find them necessary nor an efficient means of studying for the exam. I'm of the opinion that you can't prepare for the random other than getting lucky and blindly running across it at some point during your training. You are probably best served by doing questions to develop test-taking skills and intuition rather than scouring Uptodate for guidelines and minutiae. Ain't nobody got the time nor the sanity for that.
 
IMO yes, but I guess everyone has different backgrounds and circumstances. I am a poor source for other resources to use because I just didn't find them necessary nor an efficient means of studying for the exam. I'm of the opinion that you can't prepare for the random other than getting lucky and blindly running across it at some point during your training. You are probably best served by doing questions to develop test-taking skills and intuition rather than scouring Uptodate for guidelines and minutiae. Ain't nobody got the time nor the sanity for that.
Well put. It's not like I can go back and repeat rotations to get an edge on the exam. And I agree that it's not a good idea to use Uptodate for minutiae. Uptodate is not targeted for the Step 2 CK test taker.
I think I'm good at test-taking skills and intuition. It's the body knowledge that I'm concerned with, especially when people say UWorld is not enough. It sounds like studying UWorld very well would at least prep for a passing grade, which is what I'm looking for. I'm not going into a very competitive field.
 
Well put. It's not like I can go back and repeat rotations to get an edge on the exam. And I agree that it's not a good idea to use Uptodate for minutiae. Uptodate is not targeted for the Step 2 CK test taker.
I think I'm good at test-taking skills and intuition. It's the body knowledge that I'm concerned with, especially when people say UWorld is not enough. It sounds like studying UWorld very well would at least prep for a passing grade, which is what I'm looking for. I'm not going into a very competitive field.

UW is plenty for a passing grade. I would say it is very rare and very surprising that anyone could fail after completing UW and reading the question explanations
 
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I took nbme 7 yesterday and got a 221. I have my exam in a month and I really need to improve my score by at least 35 points. I've done uworld 1.5x along with MTB 2 and 3. I'm planning to go through uworld 1-2 times more. I need advice on whether to supplement uworld with kaplan lecture videos or online meded. I would really appreciate input from recent test takers since I'm pretty much freaking out.
 
I took nbme 7 yesterday and got a 221. I have my exam in a month and I really need to improve my score by at least 35 points. I've done uworld 1.5x along with MTB 2 and 3. I'm planning to go through uworld 1-2 times more. I need advice on whether to supplement uworld with kaplan lecture videos or online meded. I would really appreciate input from recent test takers since I'm pretty much freaking out.

I'm not a recent test taker (mine is coming up soon) but I heard the NBMEs are not that predictive - in fact many people in my class have said the NBMEs for CK under-predict. My understanding is UW self assessment is more useful for CK. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

Also, if someone is taking an NBME (I want to save the UW self assessment for a few days before my test but want to take some sort of assessment this week to see where I'm at), anyone have input on which NBME is relatively the best one to take in terms of predictive value?
 
I took nbme 7 yesterday and got a 221. I have my exam in a month and I really need to improve my score by at least 35 points. I've done uworld 1.5x along with MTB 2 and 3. I'm planning to go through uworld 1-2 times more. I need advice on whether to supplement uworld with kaplan lecture videos or online meded. I would really appreciate input from recent test takers since I'm pretty much freaking out.

Judging by the posts on this forum, NBME 7 can underpredict, by variable margins. For me, it underpredicted by 15-20 points, but I know people for whom it was most accurate exam (it was off by 3 for my fiance), so everything should be taken with a grain of salt.

As for the videos, I've never used Kaplan but the Online Meded are quite good, but they often have subtle/detailed things wrong about what tests to order or the proper diagnostic algorithms. I highly recommend using UptoDate summary/recommendations and workup algorithms.

I'm not a recent test taker (mine is coming up soon) but I heard the NBMEs are not that predictive - in fact many people in my class have said the NBMEs for CK under-predict. My understanding is UW self assessment is more useful for CK. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

Also, if someone is taking an NBME (I want to save the UW self assessment for a few days before my test but want to take some sort of assessment this week to see where I'm at), anyone have input on which NBME is relatively the best one to take in terms of predictive value?

I'm not sure anyone has real data on the predictivity of NBME exams. If you look through the posts there is a decent amount of variability of which one was most accurate. Anecdotally for my friends me and, NBME 4 and 6 were most accurate in terms of score +/- 5 points for most people I talked to. IMO though, NBME 7 questions were most similar to the real thing, although the score was an underpredictor.
 
Uworld is more than enough for the exam, especially if you studied well all year for shelfs.

It WAS more than enough some time ago, its not anymore, ask people giving the test in the last 3-4 months, the questions are very short ans precise on UWORLD and nothing like the questions they put on the actual
Test, and the self assessments online have yet to come up to speed.
This is a transition period where only meticulously detailed studying from multiple sources will help, one resource and one qbank wont suffice.
 
It WAS more than enough some time ago, its not anymore, ask people giving the test in the last 3-4 months, the questions are very short ans precise on UWORLD and nothing like the questions they put on the actual
Test, and the self assessments online have yet to come up to speed.
This is a transition period where only meticulously detailed studying from multiple sources will help, one resource and one qbank wont suffice.

This is what I told someone in a PM. UWorld questions are study questions - there is always an underlying principle, and the driving purpose of each question is to hammer in that principle (be it to take care of ABCs first, d/c heparin in HIT, eosinophiluria = interstitial nephritis, etc.). Step 2 is nothing like this.



(Either that, or I just had a catastrophic outlier of a form.)
 
This is what I told someone in a PM. UWorld questions are study questions - there is always an underlying principle, and the driving purpose of each question is to hammer in that principle (be it to take care of ABCs first, d/c heparin in HIT, eosinophiluria = interstitial nephritis, etc.). Step 2 is nothing like this.



(Either that, or I just had a catastrophic outlier of a form.)

The score never entirely depends on your resource and knowledge... it was the same in Step 1, I knew people who knew every information and fact in every book and were ten times better more knowledgeable than me...but the score was almost opposite, scored 15-20 points higher than them.

There are a lot of other factors besides resources which can increase your score +/- 20:
how good you can handle pressure + test taking skills + luck(topics you had mastered were on the exam) + Time management skills + stamina + IQ ...etc and i can on and on

I have exam in 2 days and I did UW only ...lets see how it goes
 
The score never entirely depends on your resource and knowledge... it was the same in Step 1, I knew people who knew every information and fact in every book and were ten times better more knowledgeable than me...but the score was almost opposite, scored 15-20 points higher than them.

There are a lot of other factors besides resources which can increase your score +/- 20:
how good you can handle pressure + test taking skills + luck(topics you had mastered were on the exam) + Time management skills + stamina + IQ ...etc and i can on and on

I have exam in 2 days and I did UW only ...lets see how it goes

Step 1 was also trickier than its corresponding UWorld questions. I did very well on that exam, and actually had more difficulty with time management than I did on most of my Step 2 blocks.
 
The score never entirely depends on your resource and knowledge... it was the same in Step 1, I knew people who knew every information and fact in every book and were ten times better more knowledgeable than me...but the score was almost opposite, scored 15-20 points higher than them.

There are a lot of other factors besides resources which can increase your score +/- 20:
how good you can handle pressure + test taking skills + luck(topics you had mastered were on the exam) + Time management skills + stamina + IQ ...etc and i can on and on

I have exam in 2 days and I did UW only ...lets see how it goes


Agreed, these factors all count, time management is the key, BUT, luck can only get you so far, IQ may help guessing in a few questions, but in the Majority they are testing yoir Diagnostic ability in a short span of seconds, the ONLY way to get it right for sure is if you have Rock solid core knowledge with super clear concepts, like you really need to know why things are happening in a certain way. Pressure builds when we havent done enough to understand a question.
Stamina requires practice for building.

Anyway Uworld and MTB Alone didnt work for Me but good luck to all you guys.
 
It WAS more than enough some time ago, its not anymore, ask people giving the test in the last 3-4 months, the questions are very short ans precise on UWORLD and nothing like the questions they put on the actual
Test, and the self assessments online have yet to come up to speed.
This is a transition period where only meticulously detailed studying from multiple sources will help, one resource and one qbank wont suffice.

I took the exam on a month ago and I feel like if your goal is to pass (209) then UW is enough for most people. Many people on this thread used UW alone and got in well above passing (many in the 260s). I also skimmed (not truly read) MTB and USMLE secrets, but I felt those contributed minimally to my knowledge compared to UW, and I score above 280.

I actually felt NBME questions were more vague and less precise on UW. I think there is just some variability in how people experience the exams.

I also don't mean that UW covers literally every topic NBME is going to ask you, I meant that if you do UW, learn the information in the explanations and the algorithms, you can develop the problem-solving skills to approach questions that you don't know the exact factual knowledge because you've seen similar situation and know the approaches in these situations.

This is what I told someone in a PM. UWorld questions are study questions - there is always an underlying principle, and the driving purpose of each question is to hammer in that principle (be it to take care of ABCs first, d/c heparin in HIT, eosinophiluria = interstitial nephritis, etc.). Step 2 is nothing like this.

(Either that, or I just had a catastrophic outlier of a form.)

While I agree that UW and NBME are not exactly identical, I completely disagree with your statement that Step 2 is nothing like this. Virtually every step 2 question was tested the same concepts. In both UW and my Step 2, there were multiple questions about ABC's first in the setting of trauma/GIB. I would say over 50% of my step 2 CK questions had the same concepts tested.

IMO, every question on NBME is written to test a principle or fact, just like UW.
 
I took the exam on a month ago and I feel like if your goal is to pass (209) then UW is enough for most people. Many people on this thread used UW alone and got in well above passing (many in the 260s). I also skimmed (not truly read) MTB and USMLE secrets, but I felt those contributed minimally to my knowledge compared to UW, and I score above 280.

I actually felt NBME questions were more vague and less precise on UW. I think there is just some variability in how people experience the exams.

I also don't mean that UW covers literally every topic NBME is going to ask you, I meant that if you do UW, learn the information in the explanations and the algorithms, you can develop the problem-solving skills to approach questions that you don't know the exact factual knowledge because you've seen similar situation and know the approaches in these situations.



While I agree that UW and NBME are not exactly identical, I completely disagree with your statement that Step 2 is nothing like this. Virtually every step 2 question was tested the same concepts. In both UW and my Step 2, there were multiple questions about ABC's first in the setting of trauma/GIB. I would say over 50% of my step 2 CK questions had the same concepts tested.

IMO, every question on NBME is written to test a principle or fact, just like UW.


Yes every question tests a factOID, BUT if you make the question confusing enough, make all the options accurately close enough and reasonable answers, then thats not concept testing, thats just trickery and deception, because Clinical concepts are different from exam choice selection in answering, in real life we would do mostly several tests initially not just one best initial test or one best treatment, so would you say that normal life clinical approach doesnt follow any correct concept? Wrong.
Make attendings sit for step 2 and see how many questions they get wrong too. And Dave89 is right the exam is nothing like uworld anymore. When ppl say they only did uworld and got 260+ take that advice with a pinch of salt. Numerous times ive seen ppl
Comment "this resource is useless i didnt find it useful, that ones the only one you need"

Whats the Caveat? STILL that particular advisor still went through THAT SOURCE right?? So perhaps unconsciously he absorbed some useful facts from the "useless" resource that gave him an extra edge.

Even skimming through stuff can give you 5-7 more points, so if you tried 3 or 4 books and didnt like them u still get 28+ more points than a person whom you are advising not to use that particular resource. Because esoteric factoids are what help get through questions not concepts alone. Its all about that fine print nowadays.

Give advise with caution these days, everyone studies differently and the exam has changed a lot as well.
 
When it's all said and done, UWorld is still the "best" resource. But make no mistake - it's a study resource; not a simulator of Step 2.
 
Hello,
I recently took step 2, waiting for the results.
I have a question about CS, as an IMG I don't know what resources should I study from, and how to prepare for it overall.
I haven't seen a patient in years.
 
Hello,
I recently took step 2, waiting for the results.
I have a question about CS, as an IMG I don't know what resources should I study from, and how to prepare for it overall.
I haven't seen a patient in years.
Most US grads just use First Aid for CS and 95-98% pass without any problems. Given you are an IMG and out of clinical work, you may need additional resources that I am unfamiliar with, but I definitely suggest completing FA for CS with a partner
 
Judging by the posts on this forum, NBME 7 can underpredict, by variable margins. For me, it underpredicted by 15-20 points, but I know people for whom it was most accurate exam (it was off by 3 for my fiance), so everything should be taken with a grain of salt.

As for the videos, I've never used Kaplan but the Online Meded are quite good, but they often have subtle/detailed things wrong about what tests to order or the proper diagnostic algorithms. I highly recommend using UptoDate summary/recommendations and workup algorithms.



I'm not sure anyone has real data on the predictivity of NBME exams. If you look through the posts there is a decent amount of variability of which one was most accurate. Anecdotally for my friends me and, NBME 4 and 6 were most accurate in terms of score +/- 5 points for most people I talked to. IMO though, NBME 7 questions were most similar to the real thing, although the score was an underpredictor.

Thanks! I'll go through Online Meded then. I'm planning on doing my next pass through uworld subject-wise, reviewing with Online Meded videos. Do you think that is wise or should I stick to random mode?
Also, should I attempt the CMS blocks along with my subject-wise review as practice over the next three weeks or leave them for the week before my exam as assessment?
 
Thanks! I'll go through Online Meded then. I'm planning on doing my next pass through uworld subject-wise, reviewing with Online Meded videos. Do you think that is wise or should I stick to random mode?
Also, should I attempt the CMS blocks along with my subject-wise review as practice over the next three weeks or leave them for the week before my exam as assessment?

I think random or subject specific is okay. I prefer random because it gives you more of a sense of the real exam. Subject-specific is very good for learning (reinforcing concepts immediately) but you have to be cautious that you don't interpret your performance to be reflective of the real exam. I think there is a tradeoff between more real exam practice (random) vs. slightly better learning (subject specific). Try both and see what works for you better.

I'll be honest about CMS, people swear by it including very successful exam takers, but I didn't use them during my prep. I did 3 or 4 of them during M3 year, and found them helpful though. I only had 2.5 wks to study, so I didn't have time to use them. I think doing them during your subject studying is better than do more random blocks closer to the real exam.

Just my 2 cents, and as you can see from above, lots of people who did well on the exam have very different interpretations of what the exam is like and how to prepare best for them. No one has any real proof about what works best.
 
What is the consensus on NBME 4 specifically? In general, I have heard the NBMEs tend to under-predict and I can only hope that is the case...given that my test is just a few weeks away and I scored a 223. Been getting on average in the mid70s on UWorld, so I was surprised at how low I scored on this NBME today. My study tool is UWorld only - my step 1 was mid240s+, and I was hoping to meet/exceed that for CK but seeing how today's test went, I am wondering if it's reasonable for me to improve to mid 230s in two weeks? I saw some posts on here about NBME 4 being fairly accurate so I am pretty worried!
 
What is the consensus on NBME 4 specifically? In general, I have heard the NBMEs tend to under-predict and I can only hope that is the case...given that my test is just a few weeks away and I scored a 223. Been getting on average in the mid70s on UWorld, so I was surprised at how low I scored on this NBME today. My study tool is UWorld only - my step 1 was mid240s+, and I was hoping to meet/exceed that for CK but seeing how today's test went, I am wondering if it's reasonable for me to improve to mid 230s in two weeks? I saw some posts on here about NBME 4 being fairly accurate so I am pretty worried!

From what I have read on the internet and from classmates, it seems to be fairly predictive for most. I took it yesterday and I am 67% through with UW and have read Step Up to Med and MTB3 for non-IM sections. So, far my UW percentage is between 75-80%. I have been low 80's recently as I get stronger as I go.

I think you might could use some refresher from written books. I know it helped me remember stuff I thought I knew. I believe you can get there with putting in some hard work over the next weeks. I would also recommend taking the UWSA. I plan to take that next week myself. I thought Form 4 had some vagueness and more tricks than UW. So, I think that is the biggest difference. Just be prepared to read carefully on test day.
 
From what I have read on the internet and from classmates, it seems to be fairly predictive for most. I took it yesterday and I am 67% through with UW and have read Step Up to Med and MTB3 for non-IM sections. So, far my UW percentage is between 75-80%. I have been low 80's recently as I get stronger as I go.

I think you might could use some refresher from written books. I know it helped me remember stuff I thought I knew. I believe you can get there with putting in some hard work over the next weeks. I would also recommend taking the UWSA. I plan to take that next week myself. I thought Form 4 had some vagueness and more tricks than UW. So, I think that is the biggest difference. Just be prepared to read carefully on test day.

Thanks for your input J DUB! If you don't mind me asking, what did you get on NBME 4 when you took it yesterday? Totally understand if you prefer not to share! I just thought it would be helpful for me to know how people with somewhat higher UW percentages than me are getting on it.
 
Thanks for your input J DUB! If you don't mind me asking, what did you get on NBME 4 when you took it yesterday? Totally understand if you prefer not to share! I just thought it would be helpful for me to know how people with somewhat higher UW percentages than me are getting on it.
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