No offense guys... and I mean that really, just as an Australian student, I find it kind of funny how you guys seem to "b1tch" about Australian schools preparing you adequately for American tests. They're Australian schools... why would they? We really don't give a **** about the USMLE (or the veterinary version, BSCE) here!
I don't think anybody is complaining that Australian schools don't prepare us well enough... we're just trying to understand the facts thoroughly.
For comparison's sake, I have a friend at Stanford med school whose curriculum seems to be strikingly similar to mine at USyd... he says that they're very self-directed, and a lot of it is independent study. Of course, Stanford only selects the top students, so you'd naturally expect them to do well on the USMLE, but I don't think anybody expects any school to spoon-feed USMLE material.
I have another friend at Mt. Sinai med school, and his experience has been similar overall. It seems like they do a better job of teaching biochem, but they don't cover as much anatomy as we did at USyd. I was talking to him about a very basic USMLE anatomy practice question (one that anybody at USyd would be able to understand, and maybe 60% of us would be able to answer), and he didn't even have a remote idea of where to begin.
pitman said:
Shan, be careful with inferences. The acceptance scores to UQ for Americans really hasn't changed from when I knew the stats (2004-2006) compared to what's been claimed for the past year.
I didn't make any inferences. I was basing my claim on the fact that on this forum, everybody with an 8 on every section of the MCAT has been admitted to UQ. The only people who were rejected were people who had lower than an 8 on any section. There may be other factors involved (i.e. getting your application in early), but it's essentially been first-come-first-serve for anybody with an 8/8/8/M score.
Meanwhile, I think it's still the case that only 1 person from UQ in the past 5 years (except I don't know about this past year) has failed the USMLE.
This past year, three people took the USMLE from UQ (according to Pollux), and they all got great scores. With a sample size that small, you can't really say anything... my guess is that only the top few students even bothered to take the USMLE. All of the international students were offered internships in Australia this year, so if a person knew that they wouldn't do well on the USMLE (people usually know based on their practice test performance), I don't see why they'd bother to even take it (considering that you can't re-take it if you get a low passing score).
I was basing my "inference" on the series of studies suggesting that MCAT score is correlated to eventual USMLE score. Of course, there will be plenty of exceptions (for instance, I'm a lazy bum who spends more time posting on forums than actually studying, so my USMLE score will probably be much lower than my predicted score based on my MCAT), and it's reasonable to believe that UQ somehow introduces a confounding variable - but the trend still holds true on average.
I don't know about all of the people who took the USMLE from UQ, but we know that Pollux's excellent USMLE score was preceded by an excellent MCAT score.