USMLE Scores: Individual Schools

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hi folks,

Does anyone know where I can find USMLE scores for different schools? I know that, along with the school's reputation and individual applicant preferences can help determine residency options.

Much appreciated.
 
The students earn the scores - not the schools.
 
werd said:
you can't. this information is not available. certain schools may choose to post their data, but there is no compilation.
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That's what I thought; thanks for letting me know....
 
a better question to ask is how students rank statistically pre-med compared to USMLE Step 1. An increase shows good teaching; a decrease shows poor teaching.

Rafa, you don't give teachers enough credit here. A good teacher can make the Krebs Cycle as easy as reciting the alphabet, whereas learning it on your own could take several days. Some schools go out of their way to find these fantastic teachers, while others rely on students to self-teach. So I would say USMLE scores are definately a function of both the student and the faculty, with resources a distant third (b/c seeing is believing/understanding).
 
FutureDr2011 said:
hi folks,

Does anyone know where I can find USMLE scores for different schools? I know that, along with the school's reputation and individual applicant preferences can help determine residency options.

Much appreciated.
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Schools tend to give out whether they are above average and stuff don't they??

I know that at NJMS, i think the avg score was 214 (national average) and about the same for Temple (210-215ish)

I've heard for rad/onc, the average seems to be above 230..

shrug
 
The only way we will ever finish this list is if we make one. Here are some that I have handy:

Northwestern: ~230
UChicago: 217 (avg)
UMich: 230
WashU: well over 230
 
Feel free to edit/update etc if you have more accurate scores.

Northwestern: ~230
Temple: ~215ish
UChicago: 217
UMich: 230
UMDNJ-NJMS: ~215ish
WashU: well over 230
 
tnx guys, I think this is a great idea...hopefully we can get a good compilation of schools on here....
 
How much difference is there between 215 and 230? Can you give an example in terms of MCAT? IS it the difference between 10 and 15 then?
 
Basically. it's a pretty big difference..........
It's like the difference between a 9 and a.... 12/13ish on the MCAT.

It's like the difference between like a rank 150 college and a rank 10.

At least, that's how I understand it?
 
std deviation is like 10-15 points, i dont know for sure but 240 or so is like the 90th percentile. since the average MCAT of matriculants is 29-30, you could probably correlate that to 217. if you really hit the ball out of the park (a la 40 on the mcat), that's probably like a 250.

of course when law2doc shows up on this thread, we will be reminded that boards and mcats have a very weak correlation. so don't expect to get a 250 if you got a 40, i'm just trying to explain the magnitude of the accomplishment in terms we understand.
 
the high score last year was a 259 out of a theoretical 300, FYI.
 
Northwestern: ~230
Temple: ~215ish
UChicago: 217
UIowa: 225
UMich: 230
UMDNJ-NJMS: ~215ish
UWash: ~215ish
VCU: 225
WashU: well over 230


said by a student admissions host while on interview. take it for what it's worth.
 
VCU's average board scores better than UChicago?? Umm....am I the only one scratching my head on that one? I highly doubt that.
 
I read on these forums that UF has the highest board scores in the nation.
 
How did you get U chicago?? THey said it was over the national average of 220
 
is there a verbal scetion os USMLE? Only sciences? IS it passage-based or just multiple choice questions?
 
Falco2525 said:
How did you get U chicago?? THey said it was over the national average of 220
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it doesnt matter what Uchicago`s average is really,
they still have an awesome, really awesome match list
 
ph8 said:
Northwestern: ~230
Temple: ~215ish
UChicago: 217
UIowa: 225
UMich: 230
UMDNJ-NJMS: ~215ish
UWash: ~215ish
VCU: 225
WashU: well over 230


said by a student admissions host while on interview. take it for what it's worth.
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VCU's STEP 1 >>> UChicago??? Uh no! I distinctly remember at my interview at VCU last year, the tour guide said it was ~218 with a 98% pass rate.
 
Mixtli said:
VCU's STEP 1 >>> UChicago??? Uh no! I distinctly remember at my interview at VCU last year, the tour guide said it was ~218 with a 98% pass rate.
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Those numbers don't make sense to me either. University of Wisconsin gave us their numbers for the past three years during the interview: 216, 218, 220. They said the national averages were 216, 216, and 217 for the past three years.
 
okay people, we need to realize two things here:

1: match lists change from year to year. just because someone said something last year doesn't mean it's the same this year.

2: the only source of this info is admissions staff and students, so there is inherent room for error in the reporting. for example, the uchicago number i posted came from a 4th year student (and believe it or not, it is possible for a top20 school to have average board scores).
 
ph8 said:
Northwestern: ~230
Temple: ~215ish
UChicago: 217
UIowa: 225
UMich: 230
UMDNJ-NJMS: ~215ish
UWash: ~215ish
VCU: 225
WashU: well over 230
Mayo: 238 (for most recent year, half the class scored in top percentile)
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is it that big of a shocker for VCU to have a high step 1 avg? Some classes tend to teach their class in boards style, some don't. Thats why I tend to shy away from assumptions about a particular school. But who knows...
 
modelslashactor said:
of course when law2doc shows up on this thread, we will be reminded that boards and mcats have a very weak correlation. so don't expect to get a 250 if you got a 40, i'm just trying to explain the magnitude of the accomplishment in terms we understand.
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LOL. Tell you what -- if you break 250, I'll defer to you on this point. Otherwise, the strongest correlation you are going to see to Step 1 is how you do in your second year courses, notwithstanding how well you did on the MCAT (2+ years earlier). Too many folks buck the trend in each direction to put much stock in the MCAT studies, and a number of the schools that brag very high board scores are not even among the MCAT number-******. Most schools will prepare you decently for the boards, but everyone has access to the same review books and question banks, and ultimately it will be an individual and non-predetermined effort.
 
modelslashactor said:
std deviation is like 10-15 points, i dont know for sure but 240 or so is like the 90th percentile. since the average MCAT of matriculants is 29-30, you could probably correlate that to 217. if you really hit the ball out of the park (a la 40 on the mcat), that's probably like a 250.

of course when law2doc shows up on this thread, we will be reminded that boards and mcats have a very weak correlation. so don't expect to get a 250 if you got a 40, i'm just trying to explain the magnitude of the accomplishment in terms we understand.
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Law2Doc said:
LOL. Tell you what -- if you break 250, I'll defer to you on this point. Otherwise, the strongest correlation you are going to see to Step 1 is how you do in your second year courses, notwithstanding how well you did on the MCAT (2+ years earlier). Too many folks buck the trend in each direction to put much stock in the MCAT studies, and a number of the schools that brag very high board scores are not even among the MCAT number-******. Most schools will prepare you decently for the boards, but everyone has access to the same review books and question banks, and ultimately it will be an individual and non-predetermined effort.
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I think Law2Doc is only here to **** on all of our applications and egos... I wouldn't be surprised if a "rescind Law2Doc's advisor status" thread starts anytime soon...

BTW: I got a 38, even though you doubted I could break 35, lawyerbitch :laugh: I keed, I keed
 
these numbers fluctuate year to year, so dont read into them too much.

UF had the second highest avg for usmle 1 after stanford last year, though im pretty sure they hovered around the national average usually

but again, they change each year with the top 20 schools or so being the most consistent and well above the average.
 
ph8 said:
Northwestern: ~230
Temple: ~215ish
UChicago: 217
UIowa: 225
UMich: 233
UMDNJ-NJMS: ~215ish
UWash: ~215ish
VCU: 225
WashU: 235
Mayo: 238 (for most recent year, half the class scored in top percentile)

I got the UMich score from the information sheet they handed out on my interview day. The WashU number was cited by my tour guide. MY UChicago tour guide cited a similar number as the one listed.
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Hey. If you guys think there's something wrong. just change it.
 
UMP said:
I think Law2Doc is only here to **** on all of our applications and egos... I wouldn't be surprised if a "rescind Law2Doc's advisor status" thread starts anytime soon...

BTW: I got a 38, even though you doubted I could break 35, lawyerbitch :laugh: I keed, I keed
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And people wonder why nobody likes lawyers. I agree, I stay away from the gal/girl, too much negativity. Of course he/she will respond with "I'm just keeping it real"...but whatever
 
How do you tell if a particular school's match list is impressive...the number of competitive placements (derm/ortho...anything else?)?
 
NoktorNoL said:
How do you tell if a particular school's match list is impressive...the number of competitive placements (derm/ortho...anything else?)?
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It's pretty tough since we (or at least, I) don't know which are the big name programs in each field. For instance, Iowa has a super ENT program. That being said, I look at total # in rads, derm, ortho. surgery, etc. I also look at the 'qaulity' of those matches. For instance, right or wrong, I consider derm at ucsf to be more competitive than derm Mississippi. I also compare the places that people in IM and peds match. Are they going to community programs or Brigham and Women's? Obviously I am going to evaluate some poorly, but it's got to have some degree of veracity.
 
Northwestern: ~230
Temple: ~215ish
UChicago: 217
UIowa: 225
UMich: 233
UMDNJ-NJMS: ~215ish
UWash: ~215ish
VCU: 225
WashU: 235
Mayo: 238 (for most recent year, half the class scored in top percentile)
UPittsburgh 227
Cleveland Clinic 229 (100% pass rate)
 
added Case

Case Western Reserve University: 224
Northwestern: ~230
Temple: ~215ish
UChicago: 217
UIowa: 225
UMich: 233
UMDNJ-NJMS: ~215ish
UWash: ~215ish
VCU: 225
WashU: 235
Mayo: 238 (for most recent year, half the class scored in top percentile)
UPittsburgh 227
Cleveland Clinic 229 (100% pass rate)
 
Julius Erving said:
the high score last year was a 259 out of a theoretical 300, FYI.
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Who told you that? According to the NRMP, last year there were 7 US seniors that scored 261-270 that listed anesthesiology as their #1 choice for specialty, 14 for derm, 2 for family practice, 8 for EM, 39 for IM(w/2 scores >270), 19 for ortho(1 score >270), 7 for path, 12 for peds(1 score >270), 4 for plastics, 1 for psych, 21 for rads(1 score >270), 4 for rad-onc, 8 for gen-surg, 5 for IM/Peds, an 1 for transitional year. Since they use a seperate match, that list doesn't include high board score avg. specialties such as ophthalmology, neurosurgery, and urology. Neurology is a seperate match, as well. And the max. possible score is unknown, actually. There is usually at least one score >280 every year, according to the normal range of scores given on step 1 score reports. So, at least 157 US seniors scored above 261 last year(most likely many more because of the other matches).

http://www.nrmp.org/matchoutcomes.pdf
 
How about the USMLE Step 1 average scores for Harvard, Hopkins, and Columbia??!!
 
Anyone know the numbers for UCLA, UCSD, etc...would be interesting to see
 
Law2Doc said:
LOL. Tell you what -- if you break 250, I'll defer to you on this point. Otherwise, the strongest correlation you are going to see to Step 1 is how you do in your second year courses, notwithstanding how well you did on the MCAT (2+ years earlier). Too many folks buck the trend in each direction to put much stock in the MCAT studies, and a number of the schools that brag very high board scores are not even among the MCAT number-******. Most schools will prepare you decently for the boards, but everyone has access to the same review books and question banks, and ultimately it will be an individual and non-predetermined effort.
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I'm not disagreeing with you, but in general the schools with the highest MCAT averages have the highest step 1 scores (case in point, WashU). This probably has more to do with recruiting dedicated students than anything else. All I wanted to illustrate was that getting a 250 was about as rare as getting a 40 on the MCAT. But that's not what this thread is about anyway.
 
Case Western Reserve University: 224
Northwestern: ~230
Temple: ~215ish
UChicago: 217
UIowa: 225
UMich: 233
UMDNJ-NJMS: ~215ish
UVa: 227
UWash: ~215ish
VCU: 225
WashU: 235
Mayo: 238 (for most recent year, half the class scored in top percentile)
UPittsburgh 227
Cleveland Clinic 229 (100% pass rate)
 
Smokey said:
And people wonder why nobody likes lawyers. I agree, I stay away from the gal/girl, too much negativity. Of course he/she will respond with "I'm just keeping it real"...but whatever
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L2D keeps it realz.
060115-chappelle-keeping-real-video-1.jpg
 
Case Western Reserve University: 224
Northwestern: ~230
Temple: ~215ish
UChicago: 217
UIowa: 225
UMich: 233
UMDNJ-NJMS: ~215ish
UVa: 227
UWash: ~215ish
VCU: 225
WashU: 235
Mayo: 238 (for most recent year, half the class scored in top percentile)
UPittsburgh 227
Cleveland Clinic 229 (100% pass rate)
USC 232 http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/12830.html
 
Julius Erving said:
the high score last year was a 259 out of a theoretical 300, FYI.
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nope. I have personally seen 2 score reports from from friends who scored 262 and 264. However, there are people who score even higher than this every year in the 270s.
 
Baylor: 236
Case Western Reserve University: 224
Cleveland Clinic 229 (100% pass rate)
Mayo: 238 (for most recent year, half the class scored in top percentile)
Northwestern: ~230
Temple: ~215ish
UChicago: 217
UIowa: 225
UMDNJ-NJMS: ~215ish
UMich: 233
UPittsburgh 227
USC 232 http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/12830.html
UTMB: 226
UVa: 227
UWash: ~215ish
VCU: 225
WashU: 235
 
modelslashactor said:
I'm not disagreeing with you, but in general the schools with the highest MCAT averages have the highest step 1 scores (case in point, WashU). This probably has more to do with recruiting dedicated students than anything else. All I wanted to illustrate was that getting a 250 was about as rare as getting a 40 on the MCAT. But that's not what this thread is about anyway.
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This is not true. I know of a lot of people who have scored between 245-255, and these people scored around 35 on the MCAT. They may have miraculously increased their percentile scores, but that seems unlikely. The general consensus I've heard, is that 260+ is where things start becoming ubsurd, and 265+ is for novelty purposes only.
 
Anyone know the UTSW avg usmle score?
 
why isn't that these haven't been compiled...it couldn't be that hard to just ask the med schools...put it in msar or something. i've got some suggestions for msar...who do i send those to??
 
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