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Probably been discussed before, but can't find a recent thread....

I'm just curious about what scores people were getting on USMLE World, and then how you ended up doing on Step 2.

All you have to do is post two numbers...... 🙂

Thanks folks, and good luck with everything!!
 
It felt like doing 8 blocks of Uworld. Most questions were similar. The harder ones that required a narrower more specific knowledge base reminded me of NBME. I'd say it felt almost exactly like I felt doing UWSA - difficult but manageable.

Overall I'd say uworld is best prep and UWSA is money for feeling like the real deal.

Crap okay. I'm doing about 87% overall on UW 2nd pass but I felt destroyed coming out of UWSA and was running out of time the whole time. That said, I did very well on it but just felt morally smashed the whole thing.

Any other insight? Secrets help/not help, other books you wish you would have read, how heavy OB/Gyn? Thanks in advance.
 
Crap okay. I'm doing about 87% overall on UW 2nd pass but I felt destroyed coming out of UWSA and was running out of time the whole time. That said, I did very well on it but just felt morally smashed the whole thing.

Any other insight? Secrets help/not help, other books you wish you would have read, how heavy OB/Gyn? Thanks in advance.

You will likely feel morally smashed on the real deal, but don't worry, your score won't reflect it. If you are doing that well on uworld, secrets probably won't help you much IMO. Not much obgyn on the test.
 
Here is my story for those that may be struggling...I unfortunately had to take Step 1 three times before I was able to have a passing score. There were many things going on in my life during the first 2 years that hindered my learning but it is what it is.

MS1-2 GPA: 2.0
Class Rank: low
Step 1 score take 1: 163
Step 1 score take 2: 186
Step 1 score take 3: 212

MS3 Grades: A in Med, Neuro; B in everything else (most of which was during Step 1 studying part 2)

After failing Step 1 the 2nd time I took the rest of my MS-3 year off leaving Med, Neuro, OBGYN and used the time to study for Step 1.

I then worked my butt off while making up my courses I did not take followed by 2 months of dedicated study time for Step 2CK.

My primary sources were MTB 2/3, UW, and SUTMed during my rotation.

UW first pass, all random, tutor mode: 68.4%
UWSA: 245
NBME 4: 244

I felt very comfortable during my exam and I finished with only 2 minutes remaining of total test time.

STEP 2CK: 253

So I went from a 163 on my first Step 1 score to a 253 on my Step 2CK score which I was pleased with 🙂
 
Here is my story for those that may be struggling...I unfortunately had to take Step 1 three times before I was able to have a passing score. There were many things going on in my life during the first 2 years that hindered my learning but it is what it is.

MS1-2 GPA: 2.0
Class Rank: low
Step 1 score take 1: 163
Step 1 score take 2: 186
Step 1 score take 3: 212

MS3 Grades: A in Med, Neuro; B in everything else (most of which was during Step 1 studying part 2)

After failing Step 1 the 2nd time I took the rest of my MS-3 year off leaving Med, Neuro, OBGYN and used the time to study for Step 1.

I then worked my butt off while making up my courses I did not take followed by 2 months of dedicated study time for Step 2CK.

My primary sources were MTB 2/3, UW, and SUTMed during my rotation.

UW first pass, all random, tutor mode: 68.4%
UWSA: 245
NBME 4: 244

I felt very comfortable during my exam and I finished with only 2 minutes remaining of total test time.

STEP 2CK: 253

So I went from a 163 on my first Step 1 score to a 253 on my Step 2CK score which I was pleased with 🙂

That's quite an improvement...congrats!
 
Why does virtually nobody take NBME 3? I searched a little but couldn't find any definitive reason.

In general, most people don't take too many NBMEs for CK. They're not predictive and the questions are mostly covered by UW which is why the curve is so steep.

So if you were to take 1, it'd be the latest (NBME 4). Also, UWSA, which seems like its the best of all the practice options.
 
Here is my story for those that may be struggling...I unfortunately had to take Step 1 three times before I was able to have a passing score. There were many things going on in my life during the first 2 years that hindered my learning but it is what it is.

MS1-2 GPA: 2.0
Class Rank: low
Step 1 score take 1: 163
Step 1 score take 2: 186
Step 1 score take 3: 212

MS3 Grades: A in Med, Neuro; B in everything else (most of which was during Step 1 studying part 2)

After failing Step 1 the 2nd time I took the rest of my MS-3 year off leaving Med, Neuro, OBGYN and used the time to study for Step 1.

I then worked my butt off while making up my courses I did not take followed by 2 months of dedicated study time for Step 2CK.

My primary sources were MTB 2/3, UW, and SUTMed during my rotation.

UW first pass, all random, tutor mode: 68.4%
UWSA: 245
NBME 4: 244

I felt very comfortable during my exam and I finished with only 2 minutes remaining of total test time.

STEP 2CK: 253


So I went from a 163 on my first Step 1 score to a 253 on my Step 2CK score which I was pleased with 🙂

Sick....congrats
 
In general, most people don't take too many NBMEs for CK. They're not predictive and the questions are mostly covered by UW which is why the curve is so steep.

So if you were to take 1, it'd be the latest (NBME 4). Also, UWSA, which seems like its the best of all the practice options.

Wow, how harsh is the curve for nbme 3???? I just calculated my wrong answers and I got about 70 percent correct but didnt even get a passing mark....this is crazy
 
Here is my story for those that may be struggling...I unfortunately had to take Step 1 three times before I was able to have a passing score. There were many things going on in my life during the first 2 years that hindered my learning but it is what it is.

MS1-2 GPA: 2.0
Class Rank: low
Step 1 score take 1: 163
Step 1 score take 2: 186
Step 1 score take 3: 212

MS3 Grades: A in Med, Neuro; B in everything else (most of which was during Step 1 studying part 2)

After failing Step 1 the 2nd time I took the rest of my MS-3 year off leaving Med, Neuro, OBGYN and used the time to study for Step 1.

I then worked my butt off while making up my courses I did not take followed by 2 months of dedicated study time for Step 2CK.

My primary sources were MTB 2/3, UW, and SUTMed during my rotation.

UW first pass, all random, tutor mode: 68.4%
UWSA: 245
NBME 4: 244

I felt very comfortable during my exam and I finished with only 2 minutes remaining of total test time.

STEP 2CK: 253

So I went from a 163 on my first Step 1 score to a 253 on my Step 2CK score which I was pleased with 🙂

Inspirational, congratulations my friend!👍👍
 
In general, most people don't take too many NBMEs for CK. They're not predictive and the questions are mostly covered by UW which is why the curve is so steep.

So if you were to take 1, it'd be the latest (NBME 4). Also, UWSA, which seems like its the best of all the practice options.

Why do you say this?

Most of the reports here seem to indicate they are within +/- 10 points of their real scores.

At least certain forms like nbme 2 and 4.
 
Why do you say this?

Most of the reports here seem to indicate they are within +/- 10 points of their real scores.

At least certain forms like nbme 2 and 4.

Side-topic:

What is everybody doing to remember all of the HIV drugs and side-effects? This stuff came back to haunt me during Step 2 studying as I've gotten some questions on it and it shows up in the UWSA. I studied it insanely for Step 1 and got nothing about it.
 
Side-topic:

What is everybody doing to remember all of the HIV drugs and side-effects? This stuff came back to haunt me during Step 2 studying as I've gotten some questions on it and it shows up in the UWSA. I studied it insanely for Step 1 and got nothing about it.

One for pancreatitis, another for fat redistribution, that's all I remember. :laugh:
 
Side-topic:

What is everybody doing to remember all of the HIV drugs and side-effects? This stuff came back to haunt me during Step 2 studying as I've gotten some questions on it and it shows up in the UWSA. I studied it insanely for Step 1 and got nothing about it.

We should come up with a fun mnemonic to remember the side effects 😀
 
Can someone comment on how certain subjects are represented in UW vs. the actual exam?

The UW average for the Psych section is fairly high 75%-80% or so.

Are the psych questions similar on the real exam as well (can we just bank points on these), or does UW just not do justice for psych?
 
Can someone comment on how certain subjects are represented in UW vs. the actual exam?

The UW average for the Psych section is fairly high 75%-80% or so.

Are the psych questions similar on the real exam as well (can we just bank points on these), or does UW just not do justice for psych?

Sure thing buddy.

When I was going through UWorld psych the 1st time I was similarly shocked, but then the second time it was extremely easy (esp after doing DIT b/c they explained it very well).

The real deal had less psych than UWorld for me (took it June 27th) and the questions were almost exactly the same. It was Dx this personality disorder or what is the best treatment for this personality disorder. Differentiate between major depressive disorder, pseudodementia, dementia, bereavement etc. If you get the psych down in UWorld I feel like you will be absolutely prepared for the step
 
Sure thing buddy.

When I was going through UWorld psych the 1st time I was similarly shocked, but then the second time it was extremely easy (esp after doing DIT b/c they explained it very well).

The real deal had less psych than UWorld for me (took it June 27th) and the questions were almost exactly the same. It was Dx this personality disorder or what is the best treatment for this personality disorder. Differentiate between major depressive disorder, pseudodementia, dementia, bereavement etc. If you get the psych down in UWorld I feel like you will be absolutely prepared for the step

Thanks man!

Yeah, first pass I got a 73% for Psych with no outside resource, but thats still only 28th percentile (I guess inflated by UW repeaters). I guess Behavioral saved me on Step 1 as well, so it makes sense.

I have about a month left so I'd rather put time towards my weaker subjects (Med & Surg).
 
I still am confused about the print permit thing (Don't hate me haha!). Does the link not disappear if you failed or something? Just kind of nervous about it.

Took my exam June 19, was hoping to maybe get results on wednesday but my permit didn't disappear. Does this mean I'll wait til next week (no big deal, that will be the 4 week mark/kind of expected it) -- or could it possibly mean that I failed and I can reschedule again?
 
I still am confused about the print permit thing (Don't hate me haha!). Does the link not disappear if you failed or something? Just kind of nervous about it.

Took my exam June 19, was hoping to maybe get results on wednesday but my permit didn't disappear. Does this mean I'll wait til next week (no big deal, that will be the 4 week mark/kind of expected it) -- or could it possibly mean that I failed and I can reschedule again?

What were your NBMEs?

These questions (which have been confirmed over and over to have no relevance) usually get squared away after Step 1.

Did you just read the debacle going on in the Step 1 thread and come here to ask the same thing?
 
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What were your NBMEs?

These questions (which have been confirmed over and over to have no relevance) usually get squared away after Step 1.

Did you just read the debacle going on in the Step 1 thread and come here to ask the same thing?

Sorry, no didn't read the step 1 thread at all. Heard a few other students talking about it in morning report and psyched myself out I guess. Didn't do enough research I suppose.

Also, I didn't take any NBMEs for step 2.


Edit: just looked at the step 1 thread - didn't realize the craziness that was going on there with the permit questions (probably explains why the 3rd years were telling me about it at morning report). Sorry for bringing that over to this thread. Disregard my post.
 
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I still am confused about the print permit thing (Don't hate me haha!). Does the link not disappear if you failed or something? Just kind of nervous about it.

Took my exam June 19, was hoping to maybe get results on wednesday but my permit didn't disappear. Does this mean I'll wait til next week (no big deal, that will be the 4 week mark/kind of expected it) -- or could it possibly mean that I failed and I can reschedule again?

my step 1 permit disappeared a week after I took the exam. ck is different I guess.
 
Efavirenz for crazy dreams and didanosine for pancreatitis. Done.

Thanks for this. Just took UWSA today and only reason I knew about Efavirenz (or that it even stuck out to me in the answer choices) was because of this post haha. I swear my brain just skips sections I'm not interested in.
 
so, i took nbme 4 today.

got 75% right and they said it equated to a 200.

i still have two weeks until my exam, but this wasnt what i was expecting.
 
I took USMLE Step 2CK on 6/14/2013 with a 4 week study period and I just received my score report. The following is a list of potentially relevant/useful scores followed my analysis of the study tools that I found useful.

USMLE Step 1: 253

Surgery Shelf (8/3/2013): 85% (88th percentile), High Pass

Pediatric Shelf (11/23/2013): 83% (76th percentile), Honors
Pediatric NBME 1 Score (11/7/2012): 80
Pediatric NBME 2 Score (11/21/2012): 82

Psychiatry Shelf (1/11/2013): 91% (90th percentile), Honors
Psychiatry NBME 1 Score (1/1/2013): 85
Psychiatry NBME 2 Score (1/10/2013): 98

Ob/Gyn Shelf (2/22/2013): 94% (98th percentile), Honors
Ob/Gyn NBME 1 Score (2/19/2013): 90
Ob/Gyn NBME 2 Score (2/20/2013): 82

Medicine Shelf (5/17/2013): 90% (94th percentile), Honors
Medicine NBME 1 Score (5/8/2013): 90
Medicine NBME 2 Score (5/12/2013): 90

Uworld 1st Pass: 74% (Completed each section along with clinical rotation)
Uworld 2nd Pass: 88% (Random, timed)

UWSA: 260-265 (I didn’t write down the score, and my access expired)

Kaplan 1st Pass: 72-75% (I didn’t write down the score, and my access expired)

NBME Form 6 (5/21/2013): 260
NBME Form 2 (6/3/2013): 275
NBME Form 3 (6/5/2013): 279
NBME Form 4 (6/9/2013): 283

In addition to the above question sources, I read MTB 2/3 and watched Conrad’s high yield cases. I found MTB to be extremely useful as I have a tendency to choose answers that I have seen done clinically, but Dr. Fisher does an outstanding job indicating the next best step, test, etc for common scenarios. I remember a handful of questions that I got correct because I read MTB 2/3 and did not fall for the bait answers. Likewise, Dr. Fisher’s high yield case videos enabled me to feel confident in my understanding and management of 20 clinical scenarios. It may seem trivial to watch Dr. Fisher explain the ins and outs of HTN, but because I took the time to sit through this relatively trivial topic, I was able to solve the more complex HTN cases (variety of comorbid diseases, presence of contraindications, using 1 Rx to tackle more than 1 disease in a patient, etc.)
The efficacy of Uworld is described throughout the archives on Student Doctor, so I will make this brief. Uworld is an absolute necessity. When I sat down to take 2CK, I felt like I was sitting in my office doing Uworld practice questions. I have read in previous posts that people felt that 2CK had much longer vignettes than Uworld, but I did not experience this. The vignettes were not only similar in overall length, but also in overall complexity.
I decided to use the Kaplan Qbank because the Uworld questions were still very fresh in my memory and I wanted to dilute them with something different. Kaplan questions are difficult and focus on the seemingly arcane and exotic. Nevertheless, I love doing difficult questions and I enjoyed the challenge that Kaplan offered. I think Kaplan can be used if there is some time to kill.

The NBME practice forms were all quite excellent (even if some of the questions are dated). I will note that the vignettes are incredibly short on the NBME forms, but this is because all of the distracting information is essentially removed. I found this very helpful because I was able to trim the longer vignettes on 2CK into the bare essentials seen on NBME forms, which saved me a large chunk of time. The NBME forms overinflated my predicted score by a lot, but this is to be expected from outdated questions. One other thing, the NBME forms share a very similar structure to the blocks on 2CK, and I found this structure comforting when I sat for the real deal.

The 2CK exam was overall a fair examination. I had roughly 7-10minutes at the end of each block to look back on more complex questions. The drug ad questions were very easy. Statistics questions were all reasonable, with the only difficult question I came across being one that required you to understand how pre-test probability and likelihood ratios combine for a post-test probability. For example, if screening tool A has a +LR of 30 but the pre-test probability of the patient being studied is 0.01 and screening tool B has a +LR of 3 but the pre-test probability of the patient being studied is 1, then you would want to use screening tool B if your patient population matched (even though the +LR is 30 in A and 3 in B). This is just an example, the actual question had a large vignette with several tables of information.

Step 2CK Score: 257
 
Congrats on your score.

Im curious about the discrepancy between the NBME and actual exam score.

Yeah, everyone seems to have different experiences with the NBME exams. I found them exceedingly easy for whatever reason. I get the feeling that items that predict 2CK scores are accurate/reasonable as long as you don't score at the extreme end of a spectrum. For instance, the difference between a 270 and a 280 is believed to be a couple of questions. On the other hand, the difference between a 230 and 240 is likely to be a handful of questions. It seems conceivable that my NBME scores were are the upper end of my personal interval score range.
 
I am kind of stressing out a little bit. First pass uworld 68%, in the midst of finishing my second pass with roughly 60% of the questions finished, currently at 81-82% scoring. I seem like I am forgetting easy things I knew the first time around. Also haven't taken the UWSA yet, will do that in the next couple days after I finish uworld. Kind of got side tracked due to a family member being sick. I am wondering if I should delay the exam or take it? Its in roughly 1 week
 
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I am kind of stressing out a little bit. First pass uworld 68%, in the midst of finishing my second pass with roughly 60% of the questions finished, currently at 81-82% scoring. I seem like I am forgetting easy things I knew the first time around. Also haven't taken the UWSA yet, will do that in the next couple days after I finish uworld. Kind of got side tracked due to a family member being sick. I am wondering if I should delay the exam or take it? Its in roughly 1 week

68% seems pretty strong to me, especially with how you have been scoring in recent blocks. I'd go with the momentum unless you think you can't take it.

I was like 70-71% and didn't finish world and ended up with 264.
 
68% seems pretty strong to me, especially with how you have been scoring in recent blocks. I'd go with the momentum unless you think you can't take it.

I was like 70-71% and didn't finish world and ended up with 264.

I think I am going ride the momentum. Lately my scores have been ranging from 77-91% so I think I should be ok. Planning on taking the UWSA either tom or sat.
 
68% seems pretty strong to me, especially with how you have been scoring in recent blocks. I'd go with the momentum unless you think you can't take it.

I was like 70-71% and didn't finish world and ended up with 264.

To people who have taken the test:

How prevalent are all of the surgery things with respect to Step 2? I mean I used to know the Pestana notes inside and out with all of the formulas, burn calculations, etc. but should I read through all of that again (I used the Kaplan pestana book)?
 
To people who have taken the test:

How prevalent are all of the surgery things with respect to Step 2? I mean I used to know the Pestana notes inside and out with all of the formulas, burn calculations, etc. but should I read through all of that again (I used the Kaplan pestana book)?

yes, would like to know if its worth going into this
 
Hi guys, i am curious, i just took NBME 3 and scored 219
I was thinking i did pretty bad but now i am kinda optimistic since u all r saying the curve is really bad on it.
I still have two weeks to go, is it likely i can bump up my score to 230?

my other question is, how do u all know what percent u got right or wrong? the graph is only showing me where i am weak and where i am strong! i really wanna know the breakdown of the score but there is no extended form on nbme 3 anyway so how did u all know?

Thanks!
 
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