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Probably been discussed before, but can't find a recent thread....

I'm just curious about what scores people were getting on USMLE World, and then how you ended up doing on Step 2.

All you have to do is post two numbers...... 🙂

Thanks folks, and good luck with everything!!
 
It was me who said that, but unless you took it after 7/27 the testing pool changes wouldn't have been in effect.

That's really a null point. The questions have to be around the same difficulty and on similar material. Otherwise you'd have everyone who took it after the change bombing step 2. Wait until your score comes out and see what you think. I felt like crap coming out of the exam and kinda regretted being so reliant on UWorld, but I felt completely different after seeing the score.
 
I have a week left before my test. Would you suggest I take a day to do the UWSE (uworld practice test) or rather use that day to get further to finishing UW for the 2nd time? I don't know if UWSE is the best use of my time at this point when I haven't finished the qbank since it will basically give me an estimate of my score and that's about it. Why do I really need to know an estimate of my score now if I am going to take the test next week no matter what anyway? You could argue it'll point out my weak areas, but the qbank feedback already does that. What do you think I should do?

Like I said in an earlier post, I did ~75% of the qbank over 3rd year. Doing the UWSE will probably allow me to repeat 70% of the qbank vs. only doing the qbank from now on and repeating ~80%.

The only thing I would add, is that taking a UWSA or NBME will provide you insight into what sorts of mistakes you make when taking a full-length exam. It kind of replicates the test situation. That being said, if you do 4 sections of UW (~45 questions/block), this would mimic a test situation too. But that's another benefit of a practice exam (in addition to the score estimate, which you mentioned).
 
So I'm a long-time SDN stalker but have never posted, but thought I'd share my Step 2 CK experience since these kinds of posts helped me so much!

I took it July 20th and got my score back yesterday at 11 am 🙂

I'm a U.S. Allopathic student, ranked in the middle quintile of my class.
Step 1: 233
3rd year shelf exams: ranged from 85-95%

Step 2 CK prep-- I took my last shelf for 3rd year on July 3rd (surgery) and then took Step 2 CK July 20th. Only took 2 weeks off on the advice of my school's internal medicine clerkship director, who stressed the importance of taking CK ASAP after you finish 3rd year and to not take more than 2 weeks to study because you will only get burned out! (SO glad I listened to that advice...many of my classmates took a month off and they got sooo tired) Anyways, I took July 4th weekend off after shelf and then put in ~12-14 hours a day from July 8-19th, so my 2 week study plan turned into ~11 days of real studying (oops).

Resources: UWORLD + Secrets + Step Up to Medicine.
I started UWorld last August when I started third year and used it to study for all of my shelfs. Finished my first pass in the beginning of July, can't remember what my % correct was though. I reset World for my hard core studying after the surgery shelf, and only made it through about ~40% of the questions on the second pass, averaging 78% correct, on Timed mode, with sections of 44 questions from all subjects.
Secrets-- I got this just from hearing how so many people loved it on SDN. So glad I did! I highly recommend doing what I did and read the whole entire book in the 3-4 days before your exam. It is great for refreshing your brain on little facts that you know deep down but might forget on test day if its been a while since you studied those facts.
Step Up to Medicine- I read this whole book and made it my best friend during my IM clerkship and got a 95% on the shelf. Love it. For CK I re-read the chapters that I prioritized as my weakest areas (about 3/4 of the book, lol) Wanted to cover it all again but in 11 days with world and secrets, I chose not to read a few of the subjects that I felt more confident about..
Practice exams--
I was confident going into Step 2 because my Step 1 score was decent and I had done well on shelfs, plus I'm going into OB/GYN so its not like I had to do super amazing or anything. So I didn't stress too much about doing too many practice exams. 6 days before my test, I took NBME 3 and got a 213 😱😕 HUGE mistake...didn't read all the bad reviews about that one on here beforehand. Proceeded to FREAK OUT. Cried. Frantically looked online to see if I could reschedule my test date. No dates available that worked with my schedule in like a 3 state radius. Cried some more, got on SDN, saw that NBMEs kinda suck as far as predicting Step 2 scores. Decided to forget about it and take the UWSA in a few days.

UWSA ( 3 days before CK): 245.

Test Day: My first block was like ridiculously, oddly easy. Only time I've ever left a standardized exam thinking anything was easy. Like the questions were straight out of UWorld or something. However, all the rest of the blocks were HELL. I didn't feel confident after any of the sections. I felt like I was guessing and everything seemed super vague. I finished each section with about 30 seconds to spare with no time to go over any of my marked questions (which by the way, I usually had 5-10 minutes during World blocks to review at the end). The whole day just kinda sucked. I took about a 5-7 minute break after every section except one.

Sooo for the next month I agonized, cursing at myself for not taking more time off to study, and then freaking out that I would get a 213 like NBME 3 predicted. When I went to open my score report yesterday, I was mentally preparing myself to see a crappy score.

Real Step 2 CK score: 253 :soexcited:

Bottom line: Study hard during your third year of med school. Spend an entire year thoroughly doing UWORLD and then reviewing it again right before CK. Don't worry about what % you're getting correct, focus on LEARNING. Don't take NBME 3 unless you want to feel like crap. Take UWSA to predict your score. Read Secrets in the week leading up to your exam.

Hope this helps some of you 🙂
 
Step 1: 244

Step 2: 250!

One month off studying UWorld (second pass + missed). First pass was done throughout 3rd year clerkships. Read Step 2 Secrets in a few days before test. No practice exams.
 
Why is this thread not as heavily posted in as compared to the Step 1 thread?

Because all the IMGs who make up 75% of forums fail step 1 and don't get to post over here.

(I don't mean they all fail, just a higher percent.) More people take step 1 than step 2.
 
Because 25% of IMGs fail step 1 and don't get to post over here.

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Step 1 is all that's required for interviews for AMGs who do well, and schedule CK later. Step 2 isn't an issue as a result for most. If you've done well on Step 1 as an AMG, you'll do well enough to go on to match (regardless of your score outcome on CK).
 
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Step 1 is all that's required for interviews for AMGs who do well, and schedule CK later. Step 2 isn't an issue as a result for most. If you've done well on Step 1 as an AMG, you'll do well enough to go on to match (regardless of your score outcome on CK).

Point being people fail and other people don't need to take it/ don't care what they get etc.

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I posted this in another thread as well, but I doubt anyone even reads the other threads beside this one... so I'll post it here in hopes of a response.

I don't know... I'm usually the most neurotic out of everyone. On step 1 the SDNers were saying "Ohhh Le Fuffff" that test was so easy... it was just like UWorld blah blah... then I go in and take it and walked out nearly in tears.

Again, I will say I performed at the same level as my NBME (230) nonetheless I though it was super hard!

Now everyone is making it sound like this test is the Navy Seal pool test. I don't care if the test is hard, it's going to be hard for everyone. I would like to know what's coming though... I just don't understand what kind of questions they are asking that everyone is freaking out about.
 
Took the test yesterday; to be honest, I don't feel too hot

NBME 6 (before I started studying): 233
NBME 4 (1 week before ): 265
UWorld (5 days before): 259

UWorld first pass: 71%
Second pass: 79% (my first rotation was IM, so I hadn't seen 1300+ of the questions in over a year)

I used SUS2, Secretes, UWorld, and Med Education Online. I studied for three-and-a-half weeks.

Here are some of my thoughts

1. Contrary to other posters, I do not believe the sky is falling because the question pool is currently being reworked. My test was hard, but so were the two NBMEs I took, as were the actual Step 2 exams my classmates took in June/July

2. The stems on the test are not longer. It takes me 45 minutes to do 44 questions in UWorld, and it took me 45 minutes to do 44 question on the exam.

3. My drug ads were easier than UWorld

4. It is true that auscultation questions will allow you to move the stethoscope to different spots, but they are not trying to trick you

5. Like many other have said, there were A LOT of questions where I could narrow it down to two options. There were also a handful of questions where I had NO idea what they were asking. I had a few questions that required you to identify disease X, and then you had to identify the enzyme responsible (hello, Step 1). To me, what was most difficult was when you were able to identify a disease in the prompt, but the name of the disease wasn't an answer option. Instead, you had to choose the best description of the disease process (FML). So, basically, I'm not too optimistic: I don't think I failed, but I definitely got my butt kicked. The only thing that makes this worse is that I have to wait until mid/late September to get my scores. Ugh

6. To those of you who haven't taken the test, my advice is to relax. You either know it or you don't, and on the test day, your ability to use your judgment is going to be waaaayyyy more important than knowing an endless amount of minutia.
 
Because all the IMGs who make up 75% of forums fail step 1 and don't get to post over here.

(I don't mean they all fail, just a higher percent.) More people take step 1 than step 2.
Ooh you really hate IMGs eh. I think SDN has the least number of IMGs posting, especially in these threads. More people care to report their Step 1 prep and score, probably for a number of reasons, including it being the first exam, it being a more important part of the residency application, etc.

2. The stems on the test are not longer. It takes me 45 minutes to do 44 questions in UWorld, and it took me 45 minutes to do 44 question on the exam.

3. My drug ads were easier than UWorld
Careful, you blasphemer. I think you'll do fine, trust in your prep and your practice scores. Here's to the 2 month wait we all have ahead of us.
 
Step 1: 216

Study Plan: 3 weeks, about 5-6 hours/day with plenty of down time. UWorld through 3rd year then repeated UWorld (avg ~80% second pass, probably got through 75% of question bank). Supplemented with Step Up to Medicine.

Practice Exams:
UWorld Exam on 07/01: 219
NMBE 4 on 07/16: 231
Free practice USMLE exam on 07/19: 238

Step 2 on 07/22: 239

Overall found actual exam similar to UWorld. The drugs ads were straightforward. Half the time I didn't even listen to the auscultations.
Good luck.
 
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Ooh you really hate IMGs eh. I think SDN has the least number of IMGs posting, especially in these threads. More people care to report their Step 1 prep and score, probably for a number of reasons, including it being the first exam, it being a more important part of the residency application, etc.


Careful, you blasphemer. I think you'll do fine, trust in your prep and your practice scores. Here's to the 2 month wait we all have ahead of us.

I am an IMG. I also know a good number of individuals in my class who still have yet to pass step 1 (we went through nearly two years ago.)

It's just a fact that a higher percent of IMGs don't pass step 1, ck, cs... Which is to be expected especially when anyone can get in.

I have no problem with IMGs, many who are down in the Caribbean are there for reasons like "I didn't know I wanted to be a doctor when I was 18" such as myself. I chose economics.... my senior year I decided medicine was the way to go.

So in short, no I don't have a problem with IMGs, but it doesn't change the fact that many of the students there can't hack it.
 
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I am an IMG. I also know a good number of individuals in my class who still have yet to pass step 1 (we went through nearly two years ago.)
Just for argument's sake, one can be an IMG and still hate 'em.

It's just a fact that a higher percent of IMGs don't pass step 1, ck, cs... Which is to be expected especially when anyone can get in.
First part, agreed; second part, get in where?

With the approach to medicine being very different in many countries and completely lacking in many institutions, a lot of IMGs are bound to fail an exam they did not size up properly before taking. And I don't think they're posting on SDN. The score threads scare away many American students, I can't imagine most IMGs/students would be any more willing to post (t)here.
 
Hey guys, I appreciate that we all took different routes to get to where we are at now. Could we refocus on Step 2 and helping each other get through this hurdle?
 
Hey guys, I appreciate that we all took different routes to get to where we are at now. Could we refocus on Step 2 and helping each other get through this hurdle?

What's SDN without a healthy dose of IMG bashing? Unfortunately for you there's going to be a lull for a while now since the next set of scores will only come out after September 25th. But exam experiences will pop up from time to time.
 
I took the exam on Wednesday and I'm really worried I didn't do so well. Uworld 1st pass 60%, 2nd pass 75%, uworld exam 240. I feel like I guessed on everything. Does everyone feel this way? Sept 25 seems so far away ��
 
I took the exam on Wednesday and I'm really worried I didn't do so well. Uworld 1st pass 60%, 2nd pass 75%, uworld exam 240. I feel like I guessed on everything. Does everyone feel this way? Sept 25 seems so far away ��

This is how I felt, like I was guessing on everything, and was sure I scored lower than predicted, but UWSA really predicted my score acurately. That seems to be the case for most people. Take heart.
 
Just saying, I didn't know I was gonna apply to med school until the summer before Junior Year of College and I still got into a US MD school no issues. That excuse doesn't work.

/CLAP!!! and a big old 👍!

I wasn't getting 4.0s in undergrad... I wasn't trying to. If I would have known I wanted to go to medical school I would have gotten 4.0s.

With that said, am I supposed to care? And why do you care what my reason for being in the Caribbean is?
 
Took test 7/19. Left feeling kinda of crummy...especially since it was hot day and the prometric AC was shut down.

Step 1: 234
UWorld 1st pass: 70%
Step 2: 250

Gotta say I'm really pleased. Was hoping to make up some ground from my Step 1 and managed to have a nice jump. 🙂
 
has done Step 1 with a score of 220 and passed CS. Trying to do Step 2CK by Sept 5th. I did NBME 2,3 and failed. I read intensely and did NBME 4 followed by USMLE world self assessment and scored 217 in NBME 4 while USMLE world self assessment yesterday was 234. I did free online 150 question and scored 80% two days ago. I am not sure if I should reschedule or just go ahead and do it.Can any kind soul who has done usmleworld assesment advice if the score of 234 is okay to go for the exam
 
I was getting good grades because I studied despite working full time... no need to take offense. As for your reasons going to the Carib, it was likely because you were unable to get into a US MD/DO school. No shame in that. Anyway, you're sort of derailing this thread. You need not try to justify yourself to me.

Ahh I see, as opposed to your snide comments not derailing the thread. In fact I didn't even apply to any US schools because I don't believe I would have got in. A 3.4 GPA in undergrad usually doesn't cut it. It's funny how smug you are though... must have some self confidence issues if you feel you have to take shots at people who don't have your outstanding credentials.

For a profession that is supposed to be built around compassion there sure are a lot of a-holes in med school.
 
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I was getting good grades because I studied despite working full time... no need to take offense. As for your reasons going to the Carib, it was likely because you were unable to get into a US MD/DO school. No shame in that. Anyway, you're sort of derailing this thread. You need not try to justify yourself to me.

Actually, YOU'RE the one derailing the thread with your constant patting yourself on the back. No one cares that you got good grades, that you studied or whatever else. The point the other poster is making is that grades weren't a focus because he/she wasn't intending on attending graduate school. You did it differently, so bully for you. No one cares. Now quit derailing the thread to sing your own praises.
 
Took test 7/19. Left feeling kinda of crummy...especially since it was hot day and the prometric AC was shut down.
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Step 2: 250
Congrats on a thoroughly solid score! Despite prometric's best efforts towards the contrary.

Can any kind soul who has done usmleworld assesment advice if the score of 234 is okay to go for the exam
What score are you looking to achieve? UWSA has been fairly predictive for most. However there have been a few cases where it has overpredicted. Generally speaking, if a 10 point hit on your UWSA is within acceptable limits then you can go ahead and take the exam.

For a profession that is supposed to be built around compassion there sure are a lot of a-holes in med school.
Why make the internet serious business?
 
has done Step 1 with a score of 220 and passed CS. Trying to do Step 2CK by Sept 5th. I did NBME 2,3 and failed. I read intensely and did NBME 4 followed by USMLE world self assessment and scored 217 in NBME 4 while USMLE world self assessment yesterday was 234. I did free online 150 question and scored 80% two days ago. I am not sure if I should reschedule or just go ahead and do it.Can any kind soul who has done usmleworld assesment advice if the score of 234 is okay to go for the exam

UWSA is generall a pretty good predictor for most people. If you don't have any major hiccups, you should score around a 234.
 
Question: thus far, has the permit link completely disappearing been a reliable indicator of scores becoming available the following Wednesday?
I always hear slightly conflicting views on this, it seems.
 
me too, Took it 7/31 !

Where do we see if the print permit link is there or not?

I log into the NBME webpage, under where it says print scheduling permit I click and see Step 1, 2CK, and 2CS. Under the 2CK it still has a blue link that says "Print Scheduling Permit" but when I click the link it says the permit is not available any longer because I took the exam.

Somebody please let me know. TIA
 
Question: thus far, has the permit link completely disappearing been a reliable indicator of scores becoming available the following Wednesday?
I always hear slightly conflicting views on this, it seems.

It seems to be pretty reliable, UNLESS your eligibility period has ended. Then it will disappear, and you won't be able to tell if it's because your period is over, or because you'll be getting your score.
 
Where do we see if the print permit link is there or not?

I log into the NBME webpage, under where it says print scheduling permit I click and see Step 1, 2CK, and 2CS. Under the 2CK it still has a blue link that says "Print Scheduling Permit" but when I click the link it says the permit is not available any longer because I took the exam.

Somebody please let me know. TIA

That means that the permit link is still there, and you will not likely get your score yet. It disappears entirely before you get your score (for everyone I've heard of so far at least).
 
Just spoke with NBME...

"For all Step 2 CK test takers between July 27 and August 30, score reports will be delayed until Wed, September 25."

Hope everyone can now chill and enjoy their summers!
 
Just spoke with NBME...

"For all Step 2 CK test takers between July 27 and August 30, score reports will be delayed until Wed, September 25."

Hope everyone can now chill and enjoy their summers!

Are you serious? I was hoping my July 30 score could come out on Wednesday.
 
OK, just got off the phone with the NBME cuz I was getting PISSED reading this stuff that there would be no more score releases and that I took my test on the 26th (a day before their announced "D-Day"). There were A LOT of "I don't knows" and a LOT of "I can't be for sure on that" type answers but here's what she did absolutely confirm. She confirmed that, to the best of her knowledge, all scores had been released up to July 25th (unless there was a particular exception such as recheck, testing center problem, etc). She also confirmed that there WILL be a release of scores this Wednesday. She would NOT confirm that the scores from the 26th and 27th will be released on Wednesday cuz they cannot guarantee anything cuz it's "comes from the scores section of NBME and we don't have access to that information and have been told not to guarantee an score release dates". She DID confirm that the "permit link disappeared" is not entirely reliable. She also said that the original announcement said that you should take the test before the 27th to avoid a delay BUT that even still a delay "may" be encountered totally dependent on when and what testing center you took the exam at and who knows what ever other multitude of factors come into play (read that as you are NOT guaranteed a score just cuz you took it by a certain date). She also said that yes, there is a possibility (not a for sure thing) that your score will be delayed if you took it ON the 27th or later... but again, no guarantee. She also said that it does not affect the chances of your score being reported if you took the exam in a morning session (like 7 or 8 start time) vs the afternoon session (12 or 1ish start time) and that they are all reported as "the same day no matter what time you took it during that day". Overall, a lot of "I don't know for sure".

Take home... there will be a score release Wednesday... but who knows who/what scores will be included. That is the ONLY silver lining to this cloud I have found and seeing as that I took the test the very next day after the cutoff for the last release, logic tends to say that I "should" get my score (as well as anyone else who took their test on the 26th) on Wednesday and that people who took on the 27th "may" get their scores as well. If not... it's a loooooong painful wait til Sept 25th and pretty much sounds like NBME would say "we guaranteed nothing" if we said we took the test before their posted deadline. Gonna be interesting on Wednesday... let's all hope things come out well. Hopefully that quells all the rumors and internet gossip about what they are doing as it all comes straight from their mouth.
 
OK, just got off the phone with the NBME... Hopefully that quells all the rumors and internet gossip about what they are doing as it all comes straight from their mouth.

Good job on clarifying with the organization itself. As the NBME states, most scores come out 3 Wednesdays later. So even normally, a few people receive their scores a week later. Hopefully you guys that took the exam before 27th get your scores this Wednesday. The rest of us will in all probability have to wait till 25th September or later.
 
Why does everyone keep on excluding the July 27th group???

It clearly states on the NBME announcement web page that "For examinees whose circumstances require that they receive Step 2 CK scores before September 25, it is recommended that they take Step 2 CK no later than July 27, 2013." This in accordance with the fact that July 27'ers have their permit links disappeared means that most likely this group of test takers will get there scores this Wednesday. End of discussion.
 
Why does everyone keep on excluding the July 27th group???

It clearly states on the NBME announcement web page that "For examinees whose circumstances require that they receive Step 2 CK scores before September 25, it is recommended that they take Step 2 CK no later than July 27, 2013." This in accordance with the fact that July 27'ers have their permit links disappeared means that most likely this group of test takers will get there scores this Wednesday. End of discussion.

I didn't exclude anything. As you see, it says RECOMMENDED, not required. The NBME never guaranteed that you would get your score at any time, they just recommended that if you wanted it before Sept 25 that you take it by the 27th. I know that in my mind and your mind that means if you took it by the 27th you're good, but as I learned by speaking to them this morning that is NOT their interpretation. Those that took it on the 27th can and will be delayed if NBME deems it necessary and I've never been able to pin them down enough to say exactly what makes that decision or not. All that is "end of discussion" is that there will be a score release Wednesday, but as to who will be included, all bets are off and they specifically said there are no guarantees. The permit link disappearing was also mentioned to be NOT accurate. Case in point? Mine disappeared 2 weeks ago and I'm still waiting. It's a "fairly" good rule of thumb but by NO MEANS a guarantee that your score is coming according them when I asked this specifically. Besides, by the "letter of the law" logic you're using then nobody AFTER the 27th should be getting their scores released this week yet several people have already commented that people who took the test on the 30th, 31st, etc have had their permit links disappear. It just doesn't ALWAYS work that way with the permit links and is by NO MEANS a "rule". Wait til Wednesday and if your score is there, congrats, and if not then sorry but you're gonna be waiting about another month. THAT is the end of the discussion from the people who actually make the decisions... not you or me, but the NBME.
 
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Due to the lack of information presented on this board regarding scheduling permits. I contacted NBME because I was freaking out. My permit had not disappeared and I took the exam July 30th, and people who took the exam August 1st did.

I was informed that the scheduling permit disappears the week of your score release. It has no reflection on whether you passed or failed. Maybe it was just a coincidence for those that had their permits present and failed, etc. It should disappear when scores are released and does not indicate status of exam

. basically no one knows... not even the nbme ppl who answer the calls
 
Got my score last Wednesday, hopefully this gives a little hope to average med students as well as those who thought the real deal went horrifically.

Step 1: 210 +/- 2

UWorld 1st pass (timed-tutor, most questions done while reviewing/soon after reviewing each topic): 73%ish (not positive but that sounds about right

My last rotation of 3rd year was Peds and then I did a short 2wk Psych rotation, and during those I finished off the OB-GYN, Peds, and Psych chapters of Step Up to Step 2 CK. I then took NBME 6 (newest extended version I believe) to see where my "baseline" prior to reviewing Medicine was and got a 221. I took July off to study, and took Step 2 on July 24th, giving me 3+ weeks to essentially cover Medicine

I was pretty concerned about Medicine because it was my 2nd rotation, and since I had so much time I used Step Up to Medicine (which I had never used during the rotation) instead of the corresponding chapters in Step Up to CK. All together I used UWorld, Step Up to Medicine, and Step Up to Step 2CK. I had Secrets but didn't get around to it. During July I spent on average 8hours/day studying.

Test Day: In short- it was a hot mess (as evidenced by the fact that I made a thread to ask how common it was to feel like you failed). I am a HEAVY marker (50% is not unusual for me), but I essentially just stopped marking bc I felt I wasn't positive on any questions. I finished every section with about a minute to spare, rushed through the drug ads, and could remember numerous gimme-questions I got wrong. I cried the entire way home, convinced that I failed. It was a terrible 3 week wait, and I was convinced if I did pass it wouldn't be by much.

Step 2 CK: 250 +/- 2

Bottom-line: if you think the test was a disaster, you are not alone, and just trust that if you studied your ass off it'll most likely play out in your favor!

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