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[entropy2]

1. Harvard University (MA)
100 4.9 4.8 3.79 11.7 4.9% $1,167.6 $171.5 9.5 $37,400 714
2. Johns Hopkins University (MD)
82 4.9 4.8 3.83 11.4 5.8% $445.6 $204.5 4.5 $34,732 481
3. Washington University in St. Louis
81 4.6 4.4 3.86 12.2 10.6% $390.9 $268.8 2.6 $38,330 570
4. University of Pennsylvania
80 4.6 4.4 3.79 11.5 5.7% $487.9 $239.0 3.4 $37,937 600
5. University of California–San Francisco
77 4.7 4.5 3.77 10.8 4.7% $414.4 $262.1 2.6 $32,716 602
6. Duke University (NC)
75 4.7 4.6 3.80 11.7 3.9% $311.3* $191.7* 4.3 $37,000 382
7. University of Washington
74 4.4 4.1 3.67 10.4 7.2% $506.2 $262.8 2.4 $31,916 795
8. Stanford University (CA)
73 4.6 4.5 3.72 10.9 3.1% $242.5* $332.1* 1.6 $37,366 459
9. University of Michigan–Ann Arbor
71 4.5 4.5 3.73 11.4 8.7% $294.0 $162.8 2.6 $32,801 682
10. Columbia U. College of Physicians and Surgeons (NY)
70 4.3 4.4 3.79 11.7 11.5% $282.5 $123.7 3.7 $39,931 616
11. University of California–Los Angeles (Geffen)
69 4.1 4.0 3.72 10.9 4.5% $413.3 $198.3 3.0 $32,028 695
11. Yale University (CT)
69 4.3 4.3 3.73 11.3 6.3% $287.4 $190.1 3.4 $35,865 442
13. Baylor College of Medicine (TX)
68 3.9 3.9 3.74 11.1 7.3% $409.6 $225.2 2.7 $22,658 666
14. Cornell University (Weill) (NY)
66 4.1 4.2 3.71 11.5 4.3% $271.1 $144.3 4.7 $32,300 399
14. University of California–San Diego
66 4.0 3.9 3.73 10.8 6.0% $242.9 $302.9 1.6 $32,417 508
16. University of Pittsburgh
64 4.0 4.0 3.68 10.7 8.9% $303.3 $177.2 3.0 $37,152 573
17. U. of Texas Southwestern Medical Center–Dallas
63 4.3 4.1 3.80 10.8 11.8% $201.8* $136.0* 1.7 $22,807 884
17. Vanderbilt University (TN)
63 4.1 4.0 3.74 11.2 8.0% $235.9 $159.1 3.6 $33,971 411
19. University of Chicago (Pritzker)
62 4.0 4.1 3.64 10.5 7.6% $204.0 $263.9 1.8 $33,143 419
20. Case Western Reserve University (OH)
59 3.7 3.8 3.60 11.0 9.7% $261.8 $154.5 2.8 $38,604 608
20. Emory University (GA)
59 3.9 4.0 3.73 11.0 9.3% $186.7 $112.5 3.7 $34,727 454
20. Northwestern University (Feinberg) (IL)
59 3.8 4.0 3.70 11.1 5.7% $193.4 $112.9 2.5 $38,467 695
23. Mayo Medical School (MN)
58 3.7 4.1 3.82 10.9 2.9% $188.2 $90.5 12.5 $25,500 166
23. University of Alabama–Birmingham
58 3.9 3.8 3.70 9.8 14.0% $220.9 $216.7 1.5 $34,896 689
23. University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill
58 3.9 4.0 3.60 10.4 7.3% $201.5 $167.1 1.9 $34,243 647
26. University of Virginia
56 3.7 3.9 3.70 10.6 8.6% $133.2* $154.5* 1.6 $36,574 551
26. University of Wisconsin–Madison
56 3.6 3.8 3.73 10.3 11.4% $202.4 $191.0 1.7 $32,802 612
28. Boston University
55 3.2 3.5 3.61 10.4 4.8% $334.8 $279.2 1.9 $38,440 628
28. University of Iowa (Roy J. & Lucille A. Carver)
55 3.7 3.8 3.72 10.2 12.7% $141.3 $163.2 1.5 $38,355 581
30. University of Colorado–Denver and Health Sciences Center
53 3.6 3.5 3.70 10.5 9.1% $178.5 $125.5 2.6 $69,473 552
30. University of Rochester (NY)
53 3.6 3.6 3.75 10.5 7.8% $137.6 $109.7 3.0 $36,115 425
32. Mount Sinai School of Medicine (NY)
52 3.4 3.6 3.64 11.0 6.0% $158.2 $72.9 4.5 $35,320 479
32. New York University
52 3.4 3.7 3.70 11.0 13.1% $141.6 $89.8 2.2 $32,555 702
32. University of Southern California (Keck)
52 3.3 3.4 3.60 10.9 7.1% $175.9 $147.9 1.8 $38,565 662
35. Dartmouth Medical School (NH)
51 3.4 3.8 3.70 10.6 5.7% $105.5 $117.7 3.0 $35,250 304
35. Oregon Health and Science University
51 3.4 3.4 3.63 10.3 7.1% $179.3 $167.1 2.4 $36,981 446
37. Ohio State University
50 3.1 3.4 3.70 10.7 9.9% $193.7 $101.1 2.3 $27,265 849
38. University of Minnesota–Twin Cities
49 3.4 3.6 3.67 9.9 12.6% $145.6 $111.2 1.4 $37,134 940
38. Yeshiva University (Albert Einstein) (NY)
49 3.3 3.4 3.67 10.4 9.9% $177.0 $70.6 3.4 $38,075 735
40. Brown University (RI)
48 3.1 3.6 3.59 10.4 7.7% $99.6 $147.8 2.0 $35,767 331
41. University of Cincinnati
47 3.1 3.3 3.59 9.9 15.2% $182.4 $141.9 2.1 $37,965 617
41. Wake Forest University (NC)
47 3.2 3.4 3.60 10.0 4.9% $120.5* $141.6* 2.0 $33,016 427
43. Tufts University (MA)
46 3.4 3.7 3.54 10.2 7.0% $85.2 $67.9 1.8 $41,920 697
43. University of Maryland
46 3.2 3.3 3.65 10.1 9.1% $128.5* $117.7* 1.8 $35,143 604
45. Indiana University–Indianapolis
45 3.4 3.5 3.68 9.7 17.4% $101.5* $80.1* 1.1 $38,958 1,151
46. Georgetown University (DC)
44 2.9 3.5 3.62 10.1 5.6% $100.4 $70.2 2.1 $37,108 685
46. University of California–Davis
44 3.1 3.3 3.57 10.3 4.8% $64.8 $111.3 1.4 $33,421 407
46. University of California–Irvine
44 2.8 3.2 3.65 10.5 7.9% $80.3 $158.4 1.4 $33,145 374
46. University of Florida
44 3.1 3.2 3.70 10.4 9.4% $73.0* $67.6* 2.4 $46,953 458
46. University of Massachusetts–Worcester
44 3.0 3.1 3.60 10.5 23.7% $111.6* $119.5* 2.2 N/A 419
51. Medical College of Wisconsin
43 2.9 3.4 3.70 9.9 10.1% $86.8* $75.1* 1.4 $32,285 805
51. Tulane University (LA)
43 3.0 3.3 3.50 10.5 4.8% $73.3 $134.1 0.9 $38,725 627
51. University of Connecticut
43 2.8 3.1 3.66 10.3 7.3% $64.3* $149.2* 1.4 $37,300 313
51. University of Utah
43 3.2 3.5 3.57 9.8 15.4% $86.2 $93.5 2.3 $29,589 409
55. Jefferson Medical College (PA)
41 2.9 3.2 3.57 10.4 6.1% $97.8 $39.8 2.7 $36,666 925
55. Stony Brook University (NY)
41 2.8 3.0 3.60 10.3 10.7% $69.6 $145.3 1.1 $34,288 445
55. University of Miami (FL)
41 3.0 3.2 3.70 9.7 8.6% $80.2 $68.9 2.0 $37,940 590
55. Univ. of Texas Health Science Center–Houston
41 3.1 3.5 3.65 9.3 8.8% $51.2 $68.6 0.9 $23,855 847
59. UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School
40 3.0 3.2 3.63 9.8 12.5% $58.0 $73.5 1.2 $34,869 632
59. University of Arizona
40 2.8 3.0 3.71 9.7 34.1% $76.5* $146.5* 1.2 N/A 439
59. University of Illinois–Chicago
40 2.9 3.2 3.54 9.9 13.4% $79.2 $98.1 0.6 $54,152 1,343
62. Medical University of South Carolina
39 2.8 3.1 3.60 9.5 15.2% $82.6 $99.7 1.4 $56,485 594
62. St. Louis University
39 2.7 3.0 3.70 10.2 13.7% $39.5 $73.5 0.9 $39,652 612
62. Va. Commonwealth U.–Medical Col. of Va.
39 2.9 3.3 3.53 9.5 8.7% $58.7* $80.8* 1.0 $37,414 724

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[popolus]

crap!!! 3 acceptances and none is in the top 62, great I guess my medical degree would be worthless...the insanity of ratings

 

[radioh3ad]

those ratings are ****. suny downstate has amazing clinical training and great matchlists.

 

[tank you]

those ratings are ****. suny downstate has amazing clinical training and great matchlists.

have you SEEN the new match list for chicago med? insane

 

[DrBowtie]

have you SEEN the new match list for chicago med? insane

Good match list but also think about the large size of the class.
Almost twice as big as some.

 

[werd]

did anyone else notice that u. colorado costs $70,000 a year? that is more thousands than i, personally, could shake a stick at.

 

[astrife]

That's gotta be an infringement on some type of copyright.

 

[red dot]

That's gotta be an infringement on some type of copyright.

yeah, but THANKS entropy!

 

[troopa]

hey entropy2 (or anyone else), can you also list out the schools that are ranked 54-58 for primary care?

 

[dr.z]

crap!!! 3 acceptances and none is in the top 62, great I guess my medical degree would be worthless...the insanity of ratings

 

[Comrade]

thanks entropy, i was looking for exactly this.

you are a hero.

 

[kaykay73]

arent those the rankings for research not primary care? if youve got 50-62 of primary care..that would be awesome...i can see 1-50 on their website so you dont have to spend all your time typing it if you want. THANKS!

 

[tigress]

Hey look, MUSC is ranked. I never knew that. I thought they were ranked last year in primary care but the rankings got all screwy this year.

heh

 

[spaceman_spiff]

can anyone explain why the list only goes to 62? I thought there were something like 120 med schools in America. is it because they don't post the lower rankings? or are some schools just excluded from the rankings?

sorry if this has been answered in another thread.

 

[kaykay73]

can anyone explain why the list only goes to 62? I thought there were something like 120 med schools in America. is it because they don't post the lower rankings? or are some schools just excluded from the rankings?

sorry if this has been answered in another thread.

some schools dont send their stuff in for the rankings...

 

[jbrice1639]

some schools dont send their stuff in for the rankings...

i think on their web site, it says they had information on 123 of the 124 schools. 62 being half of 124, i'm assuming they just only rank the top 50%. Once you're in the bottom 50%, it really doesn't matter where i guess (assuming you actually believe being in the top 50% matters...which i wouldn't really put much stock in either as these rankings seem absurd to start with)

 

[Senor Fish]

did anyone else notice that u. colorado costs $70,000 a year? that is more thousands than i, personally, could shake a stick at.

Colorado is not more expensive. You pay a huge lump up front if you are out of state for the first year. Then you become a resident and pay the cheap rates. My understanding for most other schools is that you pay the non-resident fee for four years. It all evens out.

 

[trishaaa]

Anyone not care about rankings at all, or is it just me?

I did not consider rankings one bit when choosing where to apply. This is the first time I've seen any of this.

 

[jbrice1639]

Anyone not care about rankings at all, or is it just me?

I did not consider rankings one bit when choosing where to apply. This is the first time I've seen any of this.

yeah, i really don't care about rankings at all. it's far to arbitrary to actually have any relevance. match lists were relevant to me when choosing where to apply...usnews is kinda pointless really.

 

[Comrade]

here's an interesting report on the value of US News rankings.

http://epaa.asu.edu/epaa/v10n16/

scroll down to table 15 and it'll go into detail about the various elements and their respective weights that make up the rankings. The heaviest weight for ranking category is reputation, and the next heaviest is total dollars of NIH funding. Student selectivity and faculty/student ratio are also factors.

 

[Comrade]

i agree that US News leaves much to be desired. but the fact is a lot of people use the rankings as a starting point in comparing schools. I have all sorts of subjective criteria when I'm comparing, like residency matching, student life, location, curriculum, grading system, student testimonials, etc., but i haven't the time nor the inclination to put together a robust, strictly quantitative way of comparing such a large number of schools.

now, I may not entirely agree with how much one category is weighed versus the others or I may want to include another category or two, but now i'm talking about improving something that has already shown at least some worth- starting a discussion about what points i should be evaluating in the med schools i'm looking into

 

[pathstudent]

that list is stupid.

no one would ever go to the top 4 over UCSF, Stanford or UCLA, unless they were from Boston, STL or Penn and had to be near home.

How could you pass up living in LA or SF and not dealing with crappy winter weather.

 

[EctopicFetus]

You are kidding right? I am underwhelmed...Harvard Penn Wash U.. Or is it that you are from the left coast?

 

[sunnyjohn]

Good match list but also think about the large size of the class.
Almost twice as big as some.

RFU's Match list 2005 -----> http://www.rosalindfranklin.edu/osa...rces/2005MR.pdf

can someone explain why the RFUs match list is so nice..filled with superstars...this is def. surprising as I wasn't expecting with looking at their avg gpa/mcat... also is this match list an anomaly or does it follow suit every year...

It's pretty much like this every year. Here's 2004:

http://66.99.255.20/students/class/2004/matchlist.htm

There're a few reasons as to why I think the match is so good. First, there's A-F grading here. I don't care what anybody says, there's a world of difference between students' attitudes in a P/F system vs A-F. We just finished exams, and more often than once I've told myself that if I were after the B, or merely passing the class with a C, then I'd have been done studying weeks ago. If this school were P/F then I know I'd stop studying as soon as I was sure of the Pass.

Secondly, we've got an intense second year curriculum. And the second year faculty is good. Arthur Schneider, who wrote the BRS Pathology book, is the head of the Path department. So students end up very well versed in Pathology. And Step 1 loaded with it. Our Step 1 scores are well above national average.

And thirdly, I think the students here feel a need to redeem themselves. At least, I can say that from personal experience. I didn't rock college like I know I could have, and I barely got in to med school. I feel like I need to make up for the fact that I go to a 'safety school.' I'm sure not everyone feels this way, but I certainly do.

Anyway, I'll try and dig up past match lists and post them on this thread as I find them.

Slow down big fella... For those who are interested I am currently an M4 and this years list will be at least as impressive...

We should have a handful of NeuroSurg about 5-7 Ophtho, 2-3 Derm, 1-2 Plastics combined, and of course our standard 20 or so into EM. Also a decent number into Rads although I must admit I dont know of anyone interested in Rad Onc.

I dont know about the classes behind me but there arent a ton of gunners in my class, although there are some, I imagine like other med schools. Most impressive from last yr was matching ENT at Yale, screw neurosurg at Brown.. Freaking ENT at YALE

One other thing 3 or 4 yrs ago one of the students had the top Step 1 score in the country.. Overall our Step 1 average is above the national Allopathic average.

 

[Comrade]

that list is stupid.

no one would ever go to the top 4 over UCSF, Stanford or UCLA, unless they were from Boston, STL or Penn and had to be near home.

How could you pass up living in LA or SF and not dealing with crappy winter weather.

the list does not consider such things as the weather, getting laid, or happiness or does it?

LA you could pass up if you don't like breathing air you can see, meeting >50 member gang riots, or took french instead of spanish in high school. SF is easy, if you're homophobic.

 

[jhrugger]

IMO - the only ranking that should hold weight in an applicant's mind is an internal ranking of which schools most closely serve the specific interests of the applicant. It is simply impossible to objectify a medical school as "better" or "worse" in some absolute sense, since such terms are inherently subjective terms, changing depending on who is judging.

I just think it is impossible to quantify a linear ranking of schools, or even a grouped ranking (top tier, 2nd tier, 3d tier), because each school offers a unique combination of factors that each individual will undoubtedly weight differently.

Anyway, just thought I'd post what I thought about the US news issue to add to the marketplace of ideas.

Good luck to everyone in this application process!

jhrugger

 

[Nikki2002]

did anyone else notice that u. colorado costs $70,000 a year? that is more thousands than i, personally, could shake a stick at.

 

[DrBowtie]

that list is stupid.

no one would ever go to the top 4 over UCSF, Stanford or UCLA, unless they were from Boston, STL or Penn and had to be near home.

How could you pass up living in LA or SF and not dealing with crappy winter weather.

Believe it or not many people from places other than Cali wouldn't like to go there.
High cost of living smoggy air in LA

Long Live the MIDWEST

 

[tank you]

Believe it or not many people from places other than Cali wouldn't like to go there.
High cost of living smoggy air in LA

Long Live the MIDWEST

i like how everyone not from california says the air is polluted here and so on. actually, sf, sd, irvine, and davis are all in relatively clean areas in terms of air quality. and ucla is in westwood, one of the nicest areas in la. usc (keck) is the school that would be the closest to the negative stereotype of la.

 

[DrBowtie]

I only said LA which is true by all data I have seen.
High cost of living is undeniable.

 

[jbrice1639]

Long Live the MIDWEST

You said it

as for cali, it's not that i wouldn't want to be in a city full of pollution, it's more that i wouldn't want to be in a city full of californians...

i kid, i kid...

 

[tank you]

You said it

as for cali, it's not that i wouldn't want to be in a city full of pollution, it's more that i wouldn't want to be in a city full of californians...

i kid, i kid...

no worries, most californians are from foreign countries anyways