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Dental students, I'm sure you knew these threads would be coming. I'm stuck deciding between SA and Baylor, and I'm sure lots of other people are in the same situation, so I was hoping to hear what some current students have to say. I have some specific questions but feel free to say whatever you think might be helpful!

1. What's Baylor's laptop policy. I know SA makes you buy a laptop but I don't remember what BCD does.
2. At SA you get your own chair. What's the policy like at Baylor?
3. Does either school give you business-type classes to help you when you get out of school?
4. What are your schedules like--when does school start and end and do you get summer breaks?
5. Is it tough getting patients?
6. What are the requirements like for graduating (in terms of number of each procedure you have to do)? Which school has higher requirements?
7. I've been told you do all of your lab work at BCD but you do lab work only at the beginning at SA. True? And what are your thoughts on this?
8. I remember the food court at Baylor. What's the food situation like at SA?
9. What do students typically do in their free time?
10. How competitive and cut-throat do you think your class is?
11. When do you first start seeing patients?
12. Are charts and x-rays and things like that paperless?

SA and BCD were my first two interviews so I really didn't know what I was supposed to be asking/paying attention to when I was there, so any help is appreciated. I'm sure any responses will help myself and lots of other people. Thanks!

(Oh and if you respond, please let us know which school you go to and what year)
 
Dental students, I'm sure you knew these threads would be coming. I'm stuck deciding between SA and Baylor, and I'm sure lots of other people are in the same situation, so I was hoping to hear what some current students have to say. I have some specific questions but feel free to say whatever you think might be helpful!

1. What's Baylor's laptop policy. I know SA makes you buy a laptop but I don't remember what BCD does.
2. At SA you get your own chair. What's the policy like at Baylor?
3. Does either school give you business-type classes to help you when you get out of school? At San Antonio we have a course that we take all 4 years called Professional Development. The first year of the course is okay, but years 2-4 is much more relevant. We learn how to design practices, discuss overhead, cost of equipment, salaries of hygienists, assistants, front desk personnel, etc. Things that are relevant to starting up your own practice or things you should be looking for when you are applying for an associate position. During 4th year, we actually have a rotation devoted to practice management with seminars from people with real-world experience. Over the course of 4 years you design a practice plan that you could potentially use when wanting to get a loan to start your own business. That's the course in a nutshell.
4. What are your schedules like--when does school start and end and do you get summer breaks? I don't know what the plan is for incoming classes because I know they have changed the curriculum a bit (i.e. what courses you taken when, some courses have been combined into one course, etc) but for me we started the second week of July 1st year and ended in May. We had the entire summer off between 1st and 2nd year if we wanted. Otherwise you can do research or electives. We started the 3rd week of July 2nd year and ended in May. Between May and the first week of July we had to take Part 1 boards and do an elective of some sort. 3rd and 4th year start the first week of July. Between 3rd and 4th year we have to do a 2 week commitment of some sort, either externships, rotations (OMS, South Texas), etc. Clinic 3rd year is all day Monday, half day Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, and all day Friday. For seniors it is half day Monday and Wednesday, all day Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday.
5. Is it tough getting patients? Not really. Each student is assigned to a general practice group and each group is assigned patients from screening. The group then distributes patients to students so you have patients to start seeing from Day 1. You can bring in your own patients for screening whenever, you can pick up patients from screening clinic rotations, oral surgery rotations, etc.
6. What are the requirements like for graduating (in terms of number of each procedure you have to do)? Which school has higher requirements? We have 3rd year and 4th year requirements. It's a point system for operative dentistry, and for fixed prosthodontics 3rd year we have to cut, impress, and deliver minimum 6 crowns to pass with 2 competency (graded crowns). You have to cut, impress, and deliver 12 to get an A. It doesn't seem like a lot, but it is difficult to get that A due to phased treatment (i.e. all perio and operative first before you can do crown/bridge) and then lab turn-around can get backed up at certain times. So it just depends. For endo, 3rd year, you have to 3 canals (can be any combination of simple or complex cases) simple being single rooted, complex being 2+ roots) to do molar endo you have to do an elective course, which many students do. I am currently doing the elective so I can start molar endo in clinic next semester. I know some schools don't do it like this, but it seems to work out. For removable 3rd year, we have to do 1 unit of RPD and 4 units of complete (one max and man denture on same patient, and the other can be 2 units on 2 different patients or 2 units on the same patient) and then we have rotations for oral surgery (4 weeks), pedo (2 weeks), perio and geriatrics (1/2 week each) and then we have emergency clinic rotation and screening clinic. As seniors there is oral surgery, pedo, hospital dentistry, South Texas rotation (2 wks), and a few others.
7. I've been told you do all of your lab work at BCD but you do lab work only at the beginning at SA. True? And what are your thoughts on this? We do a good amount of lab work at UTHSCSA. We do not cast our own crowns or set denture teeth but we do pretty much everything else. We do custom trays, record bases, occlusion rims for our denture patients, and we will re-set teeth if the lab messes up. We make our radiographic and surgical guides for our implant patients, we do all the master cast work, cut and trim dies for our crowns/bridges, etc.
8. I remember the food court at Baylor. What's the food situation like at SA?
On campus cafeteria that was newly renovated, Subway, grab-n-go kiosk, new italian place on campus that has pizza, calzones, pasta... Chickfila is across the street with Starbucks and Wendys, and on the other side of campus across the street there is Jimmy John's subs, a little Mexican restaurant, and a sandwich/soup place that is awesome. A lot of people bring their lunch... we have a new lounge that is nice... refrigerator to store lunches, coffee maker, microwave to re-heat things, etc. The food situation is good, it works out nicely. And a lot of students will sometimes go home for lunch if they live close enough, and you definitely can. Tons of apartments near the medical center
9. What do students typically do in their free time? work out at the new Spectrum fitness center on campus, go to bars/clubs, out to eat, spurs games, hiking/biking/camping in the hill country, wine tasting in fredericksburg, tubing the river when it gets warm outside, etc. There is a lot to do when you have free time... first 2 years you don't have much though... but 3rd and 4th year, much more free time to do things... some people will go to Austin on the weekends, go home, etc... so go skiing on our 3-day weekends that we get
10. How competitive and cut-throat do you think your class is? mine is not too bad at all... but every class has their personality, some people are gunners, some aren't, our class has been pretty good overall about sharing notes/reviews, some people won't but that's to be expected
11. When do you first start seeing patients? 2nd semester 2nd year, but I hear they are trying to implement more patient experiences during the 2nd year, but you will get to do a work-up on a patient in the spring, (i.e. medical hx and stuff, and then do a prophy)
12. Are charts and x-rays and things like that paperless? yes, and I love it! it was difficult to get the hang of it at first... this is the first year we have had paperless... they tested the waters last spring with it, so they started doing some things with it then, but everything is paperless now at least for all new patients, existing patients still have a paper chart... but it is awesome to have paperless charts... and we have had digital x-rays for quite some time now

SA and BCD were my first two interviews so I really didn't know what I was supposed to be asking/paying attention to when I was there, so any help is appreciated. I'm sure any responses will help myself and lots of other people. Thanks!

(Oh and if you respond, please let us know which school you go to and what year)
Dental students, I'm sure you knew these threads would be coming. I'm stuck deciding between SA and Baylor, and I'm sure lots of other people are in the same situation, so I was hoping to hear what some current students have to say. I have some specific questions but feel free to say whatever you think might be helpful!

1. What's Baylor's laptop policy. I know SA makes you buy a laptop but I don't remember what BCD does.
2. At SA you get your own chair. What's the policy like at Baylor?
3. Does either school give you business-type classes to help you when you get out of school? At San Antonio we have a course that we take all 4 years called Professional Development. The first year of the course is okay, but years 2-4 is much more relevant. We learn how to design practices, discuss overhead, cost of equipment, salaries of hygienists, assistants, front desk personnel, etc. Things that are relevant to starting up your own practice or things you should be looking for when you are applying for an associate position. During 4th year, we actually have a rotation devoted to practice management with seminars from people with real-world experience. Over the course of 4 years you design a practice plan that you could potentially use when wanting to get a loan to start your own business. That's the course in a nutshell.
4. What are your schedules like--when does school start and end and do you get summer breaks? I don't know what the plan is for incoming classes because I know they have changed the curriculum a bit (i.e. what courses you taken when, some courses have been combined into one course, etc) but for me we started the second week of July 1st year and ended in May. We had the entire summer off between 1st and 2nd year if we wanted. Otherwise you can do research or electives. We started the 3rd week of July 2nd year and ended in May. Between May and the first week of July we had to take Part 1 boards and do an elective of some sort. 3rd and 4th year start the first week of July. Between 3rd and 4th year we have to do a 2 week commitment of some sort, either externships, rotations (OMS, South Texas), etc. Clinic 3rd year is all day Monday, half day Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, and all day Friday. For seniors it is half day Monday and Wednesday, all day Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday.
5. Is it tough getting patients? Not really. Each student is assigned to a general practice group and each group is assigned patients from screening. The group then distributes patients to students so you have patients to start seeing from Day 1. You can bring in your own patients for screening whenever, you can pick up patients from screening clinic rotations, oral surgery rotations, etc.
6. What are the requirements like for graduating (in terms of number of each procedure you have to do)? Which school has higher requirements? We have 3rd year and 4th year requirements. It's a point system for operative dentistry, and for fixed prosthodontics 3rd year we have to cut, impress, and deliver minimum 6 crowns to pass with 2 competency (graded crowns). You have to cut, impress, and deliver 12 to get an A. It doesn't seem like a lot, but it is difficult to get that A due to phased treatment (i.e. all perio and operative first before you can do crown/bridge) and then lab turn-around can get backed up at certain times. So it just depends. For endo, 3rd year, you have to 3 canals (can be any combination of simple or complex cases) simple being single rooted, complex being 2+ roots) to do molar endo you have to do an elective course, which many students do. I am currently doing the elective so I can start molar endo in clinic next semester. I know some schools don't do it like this, but it seems to work out. For removable 3rd year, we have to do 1 unit of RPD and 4 units of complete (one max and man denture on same patient, and the other can be 2 units on 2 different patients or 2 units on the same patient) and then we have rotations for oral surgery (4 weeks), pedo (2 weeks), perio and geriatrics (1/2 week each) and then we have emergency clinic rotation and screening clinic. As seniors there is oral surgery, pedo, hospital dentistry, South Texas rotation (2 wks), and a few others.
7. I've been told you do all of your lab work at BCD but you do lab work only at the beginning at SA. True? And what are your thoughts on this? We do a good amount of lab work at UTHSCSA. We do not cast our own crowns or set denture teeth but we do pretty much everything else. We do custom trays, record bases, occlusion rims for our denture patients, and we will re-set teeth if the lab messes up. We make our radiographic and surgical guides for our implant patients, we do all the master cast work, cut and trim dies for our crowns/bridges, etc.
8. I remember the food court at Baylor. What's the food situation like at SA?
On campus cafeteria that was newly renovated, Subway, grab-n-go kiosk, new italian place on campus that has pizza, calzones, pasta... Chickfila is across the street with Starbucks and Wendys, and on the other side of campus across the street there is Jimmy John's subs, a little Mexican restaurant, and a sandwich/soup place that is awesome. A lot of people bring their lunch... we have a new lounge that is nice... refrigerator to store lunches, coffee maker, microwave to re-heat things, etc. The food situation is good, it works out nicely. And a lot of students will sometimes go home for lunch if they live close enough, and you definitely can. Tons of apartments near the medical center
9. What do students typically do in their free time? work out at the new Spectrum fitness center on campus, go to bars/clubs, out to eat, spurs games, hiking/biking/camping in the hill country, wine tasting in fredericksburg, tubing the river when it gets warm outside, etc. There is a lot to do when you have free time... first 2 years you don't have much though... but 3rd and 4th year, much more free time to do things... some people will go to Austin on the weekends, go home, etc... so go skiing on our 3-day weekends that we get
10. How competitive and cut-throat do you think your class is? mine is not too bad at all... but every class has their personality, some people are gunners, some aren't, our class has been pretty good overall about sharing notes/reviews, some people won't but that's to be expected
11. When do you first start seeing patients? 2nd semester 2nd year, but I hear they are trying to implement more patient experiences during the 2nd year, but you will get to do a work-up on a patient in the spring, (i.e. medical hx and stuff, and then do a prophy)
12. Are charts and x-rays and things like that paperless? yes, and I love it! it was difficult to get the hang of it at first... this is the first year we have had paperless... they tested the waters last spring with it, so they started doing some things with it then, but everything is paperless now at least for all new patients, existing patients still have a paper chart... but it is awesome to have paperless charts... and we have had digital x-rays for quite some time now

SA and BCD were my first two interviews so I really didn't know what I was supposed to be asking/paying attention to when I was there, so any help is appreciated. I'm sure any responses will help myself and lots of other people. Thanks!
 
Yeah so not really sure why it just posted that all weird... but anyways, I am a DS3 at San Antonio and I was in your shoes 3 years ago. I was accepted to 4 schools and my decision came down to UTHSCSA and Baylor.
 
Thanks a lot! I'm definitely leaning even more towards UTHSCSA now! (unless some Baylor students want to defend their school :laugh:)
 
Thanks a lot! I'm definitely leaning even more towards UTHSCSA now! (unless some Baylor students want to defend their school :laugh:)

Awesome! Maybe I'll see you around next year. If you have any other questions feel free to PM me. Best of luck on making your decision 🙂
 
Thanks for the info. I just decided that unless I hear some really good things about Baylor AND really bad things about SA in the next week or so (which I really don't see happening) I'm going to be attending UTHSCSA. I'll see you next year!
 
What's Baylor's laptop policy. I know SA makes you buy a laptop but I don't remember what BCD does. We don't have to buy one---they give us one first year and then you use whatever you want after that....
2. At SA you get your own chair. What's the policy like at Baylor? We just book in the different clinics--usually not a problem getting chairs-sometimes, but they are adding more so it will get batter...
3. Does either school give you business-type classes to help you when you get out of school? Baylor fails at this...one class 4th year not helpful
4. What are your schedules like--when does school start and end and do you get summer breaks? Baylor we get all 12 weeks off for summer except before 3rd and 4th we only get 6 weeks...we are in clinic more than SA durning the semester-- we are full day everyday except Wed 3rd and 4th year
5. Is it tough getting patients? ummmmm it wasn't until last year and this year...school is trying to figure out what to do--getting call patients was not hard though..
6. What are the requirements like for graduating (in terms of number of each procedure you have to do)? We have to do more than SA
3rd year. We have to do 4 units removable with FUll upper and lower counting as only one. 3 FUll perio patients plus surgeries, 2 endo (they like for us to do 3), 13 Crowns or 7 crowns and a bridge, 50 operative, we also have rotations, 10 days OMS 15 days PEDO, 1 week radiology, 2 weeks screening, 2 days endo emergency 1 day emergency, Ortho rotation 5 afternoons,

7. I've been told you do all of your lab work at BCD but you do lab work only at the beginning at SA. Yes we do A LOT of labwork----slightly stinks...makes school ALOT CHEAPER THAN SA!!! (due to the fewer number of hours at Baylor- price looks the same but its not because Baylor takes fewer hours) But lab work is really annoying...only real bonus is that your really know what to look for in a lab..if you get bad lab work and dont know in practice you end up eating the cost....


9. What do students typically do in their free time? ummm don't have much of that....lots of trips when not in school though I feel like 1/2 my class when to Europe this summer
10. How competitive and cut-throat do you think your class is? depends on class...usually not too bad
11. When do you first start seeing patients? 2nd semester 2nd year
12. Are charts and x-rays and things like that paperless? yes,

Other thing to consider---SA people tell me if I am wrong--a little birdy told me that you have only one instructor or group leader at SA so if you don't get along with them then they can fail you...that doesn't happen at Baylor because we have over 35 different instructors you rotate through so you learn LOTS of different techniques.

IMO Dallas is a better city to live in the SA, but that is my personality. But they are both great schools...SA prob a better school overall than Baylor but Dallas was the big pull when I was deciding.

Good luck picking!!!
 
Thanks, there were definitely some good points about Baylor I hadn't thought of before. Do you have any idea why it's been a problem lately finding patients the past couple years?
And, yeah, can anybody from SA comment on the one group leader thing?
 
Thanks, there were definitely some good points about Baylor I hadn't thought of before. Do you have any idea why it's been a problem lately finding patients the past couple years?
And, yeah, can anybody from SA comment on the one group leader thing?

At UTHSCSA there are 8 general practice groups. Each group has roughly 10-12 juniors and 10-12 seniors. Each group has a group leader that works with seniors 99% of the time. As seniors there is typically only one faculty member responsible for all 10-12 students because you are expected to be pretty competent at this point and the group doesn't need 4-5 people covering the group. Each group also has an assistant group leader who works with the juniors 99% of the time. Each group also has a prosthodontist that covers all pros procedures for the juniors. Then there are operative dentistry faculty that cover each group. These are mainly part time faculty who actually rotate through different groups. So we may not get to work with 35 different faculty, but we have part time faculty who rotate through each group so you get to work with different people different days of the week and on different types of procedures. As far as students failing because of group leaders or other faculty not liking you... to be honest, a lot of times, something is usually done on the student's part for the faculty member not liking them. There has been one isolated incident that I am aware of, but the student legitimately brought it on themself. And unfortunately, this student was dismissed for professionalism. When students fail it is not typically due to faculty not liking them, it is due to not completing requirements.
 
The economy has hit hard....I have talked to other people at other schools--and most people agree the last two years it has been worse than other years. We screen patients, but when we give them the estimate- they never come back. If you have any other questions- feel free to ask!!

Also more thing to consider...it is a little easier to get jobs where you went to school so consider where you want to practice
 
The economy has hit hard....I have talked to other people at other schools--and most people agree the last two years it has been worse than other years. We screen patients, but when we give them the estimate- they never come back. If you have any other questions- feel free to ask!!

Also more thing to consider...it is a little easier to get jobs where you went to school so consider where you want to practice

We run into this too unfortunately.
 
i think i will add to/correct the Baylor D3's post:

2. chairs -- not a problem. you tell your receptionist which clinic you want to work in and they hook it up. it's way better as a 4th year b/c the make room for you and if there's not you can still usually bring your patient in a little later when someone else has cleared out of a chair.

3. business class -- we have a practice management class as D4s and it is helpful. the course director brings experts in all fields -- commercial realtors, malpractice insurance, disability insurance, property law, contract law blah blah to discuss pertinent stuff with us. also, we have a juris prudence course that lawyers teach. if you want to take naps or play iphone scrabble during class then i'm sure it's not helpful to you.

4. schedules -- D4s are in clinic everyday 10-4:30. We have a few classes fall semester 8-10 am and only 1 spring semester.

5. getting patients -- they are slow to assign patients to D3s, it's not that we don't have patients, it's just that they are inefficient at assigning them. the D3 is correct that call patients -- people you bring in yourself (friends, family, neighbors, etc) -- get you started faster instead of waiting on the patient managers. this changes in 4th year and you get what you need fast. I needed endo and got it the day after i asked for it.

6. requirements to graduate (D3+D4) -- 9 units removable, 100+ operative, 50+ fixed (depends on your productivity & patient pool), 130+ extractions, 4-5 completed perio cases, 5 endo (1 has to be molar), 4 completed pedo cases (at least one stainless steel crown); yeah we do a lot and baylor is known for putting out great dentists b/c of it.

7. lab work -- you get fast at it and it's not a big deal. still kinda sucks though...

11. first see patients -- they moved it up to the first semester of D2. you do prophies on each other then real patients. students usually bring in family and friends or you get a assigned a real patient. my first patient worked at the school and was totally cool.

in 4th year you do have a group leader -- work w/ them for exams & treatment planning, prophies, operative, fixed.

i chose baylor over san antonio b/c i got better vibes at baylor and i am really happy w/ the decision i made. i am from south texas and really love sa but you can't beat the quality of edjucation you get from baylor. i have been going on GPR interviews all over and everyone is always impressed when they here what school i go to!

good luck!
 
Can I bump this forum and see if anyone has any new input?! I'm in a dilemma and currently committed to both SA and Baylor and don't know which to choose from!

Baylor is awesome because it's close to home and cheaper, but I am weary of all the lab work and such

SA is great because it's in a safe location, I have friends going there, but I hate that it starts in July and don't know if I will become overworked !

HELP!
 
Baylor is cheaper than SA and that lab work is a positive thing. I want a school that makes me do lab work. When you graduate you will know what to look for and what not to look for in lab work. You can differentiate bad lab work from good lab work. Think about it.

whatever texas school you go, you will graduate being the most competent dentist

Note: if anyone tells you more lab work is a bad thing, they are wrong


DISCLAIMER: i have not interviewed at Baylor (only UTHSCSA)
 
I'll be headed to Baylor this summer for Perio. I interviewed at SA....their clinic is so old, but I hear they're building a new one in the next few years. I think you'll be good with either choice. I hear good things about the Baylor from a clinical standpoint. And if you're gonna be a GP then the extra lab work can only help you.
 
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