Haven’t seen a thread yet for this application cycle of UToledo’s SMP program. If you’re a previous students please drop any advice or comments on the program! I’m planning on applying soon.
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UToledo MSBS 2025-2026
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How is it going with you? Have you sent in your application?Haven’t seen a thread yet for this application cycle of UToledo’s SMP program. If you’re a previous students please drop any advice or comments on the program! I’m planning on applying soon.
Chosenafabzzx
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same here! would love to know moreThinking of applying to this program - can any past or current students share their thoughts?
mikewazowski2222
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Hi everyone! I have been a student in the MSBS program at The University of Toledo over the past year. I decided to come on this forum to inform all of the incoming students as to what is really going on because you deserve to know. We are sure admissions is going to somehow cover this up or again, be dishonest to all of you.
DO NOT GO HERE! PLEASE. If you have ANY other acceptances to post-bac programs or were on the fence with applying for this program, I urge you to reconsider. This program and university has destroyed many of our lives through their dishonesty.
Now I will give you the real data. Our class started with 30 students. 2 were not applying to the medical school and 2 were kicked out of the program. 1 person ended up choosing not to interview. Therefore, 25 of us were trying to get in this cycle. Well, 19 of us, yes NINETEEN of us, were waitlisted on June 9th. WAITLISTED. 6 students were accepted outright. We did not even know this was an option first of all, but come to find out that everyone is just waitlisted if they are not accepted! At orientation (and on their old website), we were given information that indicated 70-80% of the class is accepted each year. Obviously we all went into this program knowing not everyone would be accepted, but are you kidding me? 25%? It is now July 16th and only one person was accepted from the waitlist (3 weeks ago). This brings the percentage to 28%.
Orientation for the medical school is in less than one week and we have heard nothing. We have all worked so incredibly hard throughout this year and most of us had almost perfect grades. We became actively involved with the university, our research, and the community. For this to be happening is just outrageous. To make matters even worse, there has been zero communication with all of us from both the MSBS program director and admissions. We have unfortunately had to find out information from admissions through the grapevine and I will say that some of the information that is coming out is extremely shady.
I will be posting much more on here over the next week about all the rest of this and all of our experiences. I have a ton of information that needs to be shared, but I wanted to inform incoming students of these updates ASAP so you can have time to figure things out if you choose not to attend.
DO NOT GO HERE! PLEASE. If you have ANY other acceptances to post-bac programs or were on the fence with applying for this program, I urge you to reconsider. This program and university has destroyed many of our lives through their dishonesty.
Now I will give you the real data. Our class started with 30 students. 2 were not applying to the medical school and 2 were kicked out of the program. 1 person ended up choosing not to interview. Therefore, 25 of us were trying to get in this cycle. Well, 19 of us, yes NINETEEN of us, were waitlisted on June 9th. WAITLISTED. 6 students were accepted outright. We did not even know this was an option first of all, but come to find out that everyone is just waitlisted if they are not accepted! At orientation (and on their old website), we were given information that indicated 70-80% of the class is accepted each year. Obviously we all went into this program knowing not everyone would be accepted, but are you kidding me? 25%? It is now July 16th and only one person was accepted from the waitlist (3 weeks ago). This brings the percentage to 28%.
Orientation for the medical school is in less than one week and we have heard nothing. We have all worked so incredibly hard throughout this year and most of us had almost perfect grades. We became actively involved with the university, our research, and the community. For this to be happening is just outrageous. To make matters even worse, there has been zero communication with all of us from both the MSBS program director and admissions. We have unfortunately had to find out information from admissions through the grapevine and I will say that some of the information that is coming out is extremely shady.
I will be posting much more on here over the next week about all the rest of this and all of our experiences. I have a ton of information that needs to be shared, but I wanted to inform incoming students of these updates ASAP so you can have time to figure things out if you choose not to attend.
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mikewazowski2222
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I posted below and I will be posting more next week! take caresame here! would love to know more
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I posted below and will be posting more!Haven’t seen a thread yet for this application cycle of UToledo’s SMP program. If you’re a previous students please drop any advice or comments on the program! I’m planning on applying soon.
mikewazowski2222
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I posted information about the current program below.When in August does this program start?
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Any update? This program was on my list of programs to apply to for next year.I posted information about the current program below.
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I wanted to start off by saying I do think this program prepares you well for what courses will look like in medical school. The curriculum matches some of what is taught to the first and second year medical students (same professors and even some of the same slides). Previous students that have done this program often out perform regular applicants in their pre-clinical years. Even students that have gone to other medical schools do extremely well.
However, if you are out of state I recommend NOT doing this program. With the new bill that passed, you would be using a lot of that cap towards this program and there were no out of state students taken out of this year's ~28% of the class. The total cost for out of state was around $109,000 (fall, spring, and summer) if you take out enough to pay rent, eat, retake the MCAT, application fees, and any additional costs.
The stats shown during orientation showed that for the last couple years ~70% of a class was taken. That number is from the amount that complete the program, or graduate. As far as we know, with orientation starting today, there are still only 7 students accepted out of the whole class. A few students on the waitlist accepted spots at other schools, leaving around 14 or so students still on the waitlist.
This program previously was given high priority on the waitlist. Students that got 515+ on their MCAT were passed over. Students that got almost a 4.0 GPA were passed over. Lower MCATs were taken.
Toledo is terrible with communication for everything. Be prepared to find out everything last minute and never really feel like you have support. The MSBS coordinators have nothing to do with medical school admission, so as far as that aspect they really don't know anything. The medical school keeps them in the dark.
There was no communication to the class about a change of the evaluation criteria. Toledo doesn’t even consider Graduate/Post-bacc GPA if an applicant has a lower undergraduate GPA (none of us recall seeing this before, likely new). This program is supposed to be an academic enhancer.
If you decide to choose this program, start studying for the MCAT now if you have to retake it. They will recommend you take it around January, but with the intensity of classes it is very difficult to do both at the same time. I don’t even have a target recommendation for you because they took below 500, but didn’t take a 518.
Overall, very high risk and very low reward. I would have chosen another program, knowing what I know now and the way they treated our class.
However, if you are out of state I recommend NOT doing this program. With the new bill that passed, you would be using a lot of that cap towards this program and there were no out of state students taken out of this year's ~28% of the class. The total cost for out of state was around $109,000 (fall, spring, and summer) if you take out enough to pay rent, eat, retake the MCAT, application fees, and any additional costs.
The stats shown during orientation showed that for the last couple years ~70% of a class was taken. That number is from the amount that complete the program, or graduate. As far as we know, with orientation starting today, there are still only 7 students accepted out of the whole class. A few students on the waitlist accepted spots at other schools, leaving around 14 or so students still on the waitlist.
This program previously was given high priority on the waitlist. Students that got 515+ on their MCAT were passed over. Students that got almost a 4.0 GPA were passed over. Lower MCATs were taken.
Toledo is terrible with communication for everything. Be prepared to find out everything last minute and never really feel like you have support. The MSBS coordinators have nothing to do with medical school admission, so as far as that aspect they really don't know anything. The medical school keeps them in the dark.
There was no communication to the class about a change of the evaluation criteria. Toledo doesn’t even consider Graduate/Post-bacc GPA if an applicant has a lower undergraduate GPA (none of us recall seeing this before, likely new). This program is supposed to be an academic enhancer.
If you decide to choose this program, start studying for the MCAT now if you have to retake it. They will recommend you take it around January, but with the intensity of classes it is very difficult to do both at the same time. I don’t even have a target recommendation for you because they took below 500, but didn’t take a 518.
Overall, very high risk and very low reward. I would have chosen another program, knowing what I know now and the way they treated our class.
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If the following doesn't apply to you:
- above 505 MCAT at least
- are in-state
- are okay with an extremely high-risk/high-reward situation
- are willing to apply to other schools BEFORE your msbs grades
Then, please consider other programs. If you have time to switch to another program, I strongly urge you to do so!!
I second everything my classmates have said above. The worst part of this journey was the illusion of support and the repeated inconsistencies and veiled truths on part of the admissions committee and other higher ups.
This program (and more so the Deans who hold decision power) will not value your readiness for medical school or your unique journey to get there. Holistic review was not something we were granted in any way shape or form. I wish I could receive a tuition refund.
I am happy to share more insight over direct message 🙂
- above 505 MCAT at least
- are in-state
- are okay with an extremely high-risk/high-reward situation
- are willing to apply to other schools BEFORE your msbs grades
Then, please consider other programs. If you have time to switch to another program, I strongly urge you to do so!!
I second everything my classmates have said above. The worst part of this journey was the illusion of support and the repeated inconsistencies and veiled truths on part of the admissions committee and other higher ups.
This program (and more so the Deans who hold decision power) will not value your readiness for medical school or your unique journey to get there. Holistic review was not something we were granted in any way shape or form. I wish I could receive a tuition refund.
I am happy to share more insight over direct message 🙂
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28% of this year's class ended up matriculating, last year was 70%, and the year before was around 60ish%. I would advise you to gather data from other schools and also speak to their AdComs before committing to an SMP.Any update? This program was on my list of programs to apply to for next year.
