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What are your legit reasons for not be able to apply DO?
I'm just a premed, but based on this post, I think you take the MCAT again.
Well, since you "can't" apply DO, and you "can't" take another gap year, you may as well go ahead and apply and know that there is a very good chance you will be a re-applicant next year.
I can PM you? And yes, I know I need to retake the MCAT. I want to take it this cycle and am looking for specific advice on that considering my situation and the possibility that this recent MCAT score (esp in CARS) could have been a fluke based on the above.
Difficult situation, sorry to hear OP. Even if you retake the MCAT in August and submit your AMCAS next week, schools are not obligated to wait for your second score to come in your verified AMCAS. So you are risking being evaluated based only on your first score regardless of your retake score. You also need to ensure that you make a significant improvement on the retake (so aim for 510+), but realize that schools may average all scores.
Consider applying to DO this cycle if you cannot afford to take another year off. This is a dilemma and based on your situation, you cannot choose to get away with not applying to DO AND not preparing to reapply/having plan B etc.
There's no reason to use quotations...I really can't. I believe my situation warrants an MD; I'm not saying this out of arrogance, it is the way it is. I'd like to know if there is any chance for me to get an MD acceptance anywhere in the USA as an ORM, 3.8 GPA, good ECs candidate who retook the MCAT in August for a higher score and was complete in mid-September.
Difficult situation, sorry to hear OP. Even if you retake the MCAT in August and submit your AMCAS next week, schools are not obligated to wait for your second score to come in your verified AMCAS. So you are risking being evaluated based only on your first score regardless of your retake score. You also need to ensure that you make a significant improvement on the retake (so aim for 510+), but realize that schools may average all scores.
There's no reason to use quotations...I really can't. I believe my situation warrants an MD; I'm not saying this out of arrogance, it is the way it is. I'd like to know if there is any chance for me to get an MD acceptance anywhere in the USA as an ORM, 3.8 GPA, good ECs candidate who retook the MCAT in August for a higher score and was complete in mid-September.
I will only submit to one throwaway school, I will not add the rest on my AMCAS until the second score comes in, but I will prewire all secondaries from August 11 to Sept 11 until the score comes in. I expect to do better considering my practice test scores were much higher. If, for some curse, I only do slightly better, then I will not apply. But it seems like such a shame to waste the whole year when my June 1st test could have been a fluke or did not showcase my abilities. And dw, I have tons to do this year so in the unfortunate situation I would need to reapply, I'd be prepared.
@kairos93
You can ensure they wait for your new MCAT to evaluate you by simply submitting your AMCAS with only one throw away school and then add the schools you'd like to go to once your scores have come in. This way your primary will get verified and the limiting factor re: time will be your MCAT scores
EDIT: I see you've beat me to the punch with your message
I have a reason for that as well. I'm sorry, I know it all seems like excuses but it's really not. As hard as it is to believe, I simply feel that I get tossed the unlucky things at unlucky times. I couldn't void the exam, as I already voided it back in May (technical issue as well believe it or not). I got my money for that exam and AMCAS scheduled me for June 1st. I lost 5 minutes but at least my test didn't shut down like last time (I have a letter for that as well from AAMC). Because of this, I only had 2 attempts left and didn't want to void and waste that attempt this year. I honestly didn't think I would get a 123...yes, I guessed on the last passage, but everything else on CARS I felt was easy. On the practice tests, I tended to guess on the last passage as well esp on AAMC FL1 since I ran out of time there too. But I always managed 127). I think my downfall here was the curve, since everyone else thought it was easy too.
I know being complete in Sept is not good. I'm wondering if I can at least net Its and maybe a late acceptance considering I score 510+ on my test. I wanted to hear from others who may have faced a similar experience of being late.
Okay, now that the tears have subsided, I'm writing to ask for some help. First off, I'm not a troll (I created this account today just to ask this question but I've been on SDN and Reddit many times). I read a lot of the threads, but sadly I couldn't find an answer to my situation and I am not sure if there will even be one
I got my MCAT scores back and scored a 503. I don't know what happened...I used to think people were lying when they said this, but now I get what they mean. I scored 7-10 points below my AAMC FLs.
First off, I did fairly well on AAMC stuff (510 FL 1, 511 FL 2, 516 Sample Exam, 84% P/S Section Bank, 78% B/B Section Bank, 76% CARS Q-pack 1, 80% CARS Q-pack 2, 90% Physics Q-pack, 80% GChem. Q-pack, 84% B/B Q-pack 1, 87% B/B Q-pack 2).
I was shooting for at least a 508, but I ended up getting a 127 C/P, 123 CARS, 126 B/B and 127 P/S.
I have never reached a 123 on CARS ever (my lowest practice score was always a 126, and I usually got 127-128 on CARS...my sample test CARS score was even a 96%).
I'm not going to whine anymore about how terrible this is...we can all see that right here. I am worried about what happens next. Here is a little about my situation:
I want to apply this cycle and am aiming for any MD school (there are legit reasons why I can't apply DO; I can PM in case you need to know, but right now MD is the goal). I am ORM and from VA. I have a 3.8 GPA and pretty good ECs with above average hours. Please let me know and I can list them if it will help; I just didn't want to make this thread even longer if it isn't needed.
I have taken 3 gap years...I really cannot take any more (also for reasons I can PM). My AMCAS is ready to submit next week, and I have everything else in (LORs, transcripts).
Is this like a hostage situation or something?There's no reason to use quotations...I really can't. I believe my situation warrants an MD; I'm not saying this out of arrogance, it is the way it is. I'd like to know if there is any chance for me to get an MD acceptance anywhere in the USA as an ORM, 3.8 GPA, good ECs candidate who retook the MCAT in August for a higher score and was complete in mid-September.
I don't think I'm alone in saying you seem a bit entitled. As if you deserve everything, and things that haven't gone your way are the universe punishing you. Go DO. Let go of this whole, "I cant" go DO thing, because you "believe your situation warrants MD" (when facts state otherwise). You'll be happier.
Would that not be compelling enough to get an acceptance at my in-state school or other low-tier MDs? I thought @gonnif said being complete by labor day was early and being complete by Sept 30 is on time for most programs. Why would I be a lost cause?
@LizzyM and @Lawper please don't see this as a defensive reaction against you..I genuinely want to know. Your posts made it seem like I'd have no chance whatsoever applying this cycle so I wanted to elaborate on my profile and understand your reasons why.
There's no reason to use quotations...I really can't. I believe my situation warrants an MD; I'm not saying this out of arrogance, it is the way it is. I'd like to know if there is any chance for me to get an MD acceptance anywhere in the USA as an ORM, 3.8 GPA, good ECs candidate who retook the MCAT in August for a higher score and was complete in mid-September.
Your next gap year could be one in which you work to earn money and do some intensive prep for another MCAT. You will have a much better chance doing that than sending in a very late application this year with a rushed MCAT retake.Now, for the question: I obviously need to retake, but I would like to retake this cycle because I feel my test score is not representative of my ability (esp CARS!!!). During my CARS section, I lost 5 minutes of testing time because of a technical issue. It also froze during B/B, but I didn't lose much time there. I reported to AAMC and they have sent me a letter documenting my concern...I can send this to medical schools. However, AAMC was not able to confirm the issue and state in the letter that they were unable to confirm my claims. It happened, but I don't know how medical schools will consider this letter since AAMC acknowledges it but doesn't exactly confirm it in the letter.
This situation caused me to rush through the last two passages (I had to guess entirely on the last). At that time, I didn't think it would affect me much in CARS because everything else seemed easy enough. But I guess it was so easy that it had a bad curve and that hit me hard.
Now, taking this into account, I feel I can get my practice score of 127 if I retake. I know SDN wisdom says not to retake in the same cycle, but what about in a case like this? Right now, I am thinking to retake Aug 11th, prewrite secondaries and be complete mid-Sept. I am expecting to improve based on the details I provided above.
It is late, I know, but is it so late that I cannot get a single MD II anywhere at a low tier school? I am aiming for ANY MD school. Even if I get IIs in Nov, Jan etc. I feel I can be competitive for my state schools (VCU, EVMS) if I retake to get a 511+ like I did on the FLs.
So there it is. Up till now, everything terrible that could happen in terms of med school admissions has happened. I know I can become a fantastic physician...but this is really disheartening. Looks like someone up there hates me
Would be extremely grateful for your advice. Thank you for listening.
Because you will be complete with your first MCAT. my rule of thumb for what is a reasonable complete date does not include a rushed unplanned retake while the application cycle is going on, something I rarely advise to do. you also say you took 3 gap years and cant take anymore. Why werent you prepared for MCAT durung that time is another question. so is your goal to be a physician or to simply to apply on a predetermined schedule, even if that means you have lesser chances to gain acceptance? What are planning to do if you dont get in? Wouldnt a wiser course of action is to apply when you are in the strongest position? Frankly your course of action is seemingly between becoming a doctor or being an idiot
You have admissions personnel and experts telling you it's bad idea to apply this cycle. If I was in admissions, I wouldn't be interested in your application unless it was stellar and your MCAT retake was a 520+ or something. With a 510-515 retake in August, you'll be an average applicant applying on the later side. And nobody is interested in why you scored a 503 and decided to apply MD anyway; if you have to reapply, that will be two strikes against you. Having to retake the MCAT shows bad judgment (you didn't postpone, or void), and having to reapply shows worse judgment. Right now, your situation can be fixed; you can take your time and really study and get a good score. But if you insist on applying MD only with a throwaway school and a rushed retake, it's a huge gamble that's extremely likely to leave you in a worse position than you are in right now.
Given his practice scores, I don't think either 520+ or 515+ is likely regardless, unless the OP actually listens to everyone's advice and doesn't rush the second attempt. But you're probably right- his best shot at getting in this cycle would be a moderately high second MCAT score.Unless you go to a top school, a 520+ retake risks getting yield protected by low tiers because historical trends. A 515+ is the best target to aim for.
The behavior over MD/DO always annoys me. The best physician I know (and my role model) is a DO. Funny enough, he said the worst fellow he ever dealt with was a MD from Harvard - says the guy was so research focused during med school that he was a terrible clinician. Didn't know what to do, too indecisive in emergency situations, etc. It really makes me look unfavorably on the OP that he/she would skip the programs that graduated the best physician I know.I think it's interesting that people only have "legit reasons" why they "can't" apply to DO schools, but no one has ever said that they have legit reasons why they can't apply to MD schools. Realistically, if you have ever shadowed both an MD and a DO, the only place you can tell a difference is in a phone book.
Do you want to heal the sick or do you want more people to "ooh and awe" over the 8% of the alphabet attached to your last name?
You've received some pretty harsh judgment on this thread, but you've also crossed some pretty serious lines that are standard for those pursuing medicine for the (mostly) right reasons. A reflective gap year and a MCAT retake in 10 months may be better for more than just strengthening your app.
Difficult situation, sorry to hear OP. Even if you retake the MCAT in August and submit your AMCAS next week, schools are not obligated to wait for your second score to come in your verified AMCAS. So you are risking being evaluated based only on your first score regardless of your retake score. You also need to ensure that you make a significant improvement on the retake (so aim for 510+), but realize that schools may average all scores.
Consider applying to DO this cycle if you cannot afford to take another year off. This is a dilemma and based on your situation, you cannot choose to get away with not applying to DO AND not preparing to reapply/having plan B etc.