UW-Madison will have a 3.8 average admitting this year

[MilwaukeeMike28]

I talked to my pre-med advisor - she told me this year is going to be the most competitive in a long time. She said UW-Madison will have over a 3.8 average GPA. That is incredible. I have to say that again ! That is incredible.

What are the two or three easiest med schools to get into in the country ?

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[liverotcod]

I talked to my pre-med advisor - she told me this year is going to be the most competitive in a long time. She said UW-Madison will have over a 3.8 average GPA. That is incredible. I have to say that again ! That is incredible.

What are the two or three easiest med schools to get into in the country ?

Are you a Madison undergrad? Did she give any reasons why this might be the case?

If you are a Wisconsin resident, your backup should be MCW. Out of state, you're looking for schools like Drexel, Rosalind Franklin (Finch) or maybe University of Vermont. Not that they're easy to get into, but their matriculants have lower stats than most. The problem is, these stats are well known, so they get a gazillion applications from people using them as their backups.

 

[MilwaukeeMike28]

I am an undergrad at UW-Milwaukee. I will apply only to UW-Mad and MCW. I am a borderline candidate but I am committed to taking as many classes as I need to to get very competitive. I havent taken the MCAT so I dont know how I will stack up to the crowd.

Are you really applying with a 2.9 ?

 

[YzIa]

I was going to ignore this post, but my will power was not great enough.
This is not going to happen, plain and simple. If you look at UW-Madison's avg incoming GPA over the past decade it sits fairly close to 3.7 each and every year. Why would it jump to 3.8, more importantly, how would it.
The number of MCAT administered is in line with previous years and the scores of course are as well.

How would a UW-Milwaukee advisor have any idea about Madisons GPA for the next year... For that matter, how would Madison even know that, for they are not going to abandon all other measures or accepting applicants in order to raise their incoming GPA. I fully expect this year to be similar to last year, with a possibility of a few thousand more applicants nationwide.

 

[liverotcod]

I am an undergrad at UW-Milwaukee. I will apply only to UW-Mad and MCW. I am a borderline candidate but I am committed to taking as many classes as I need to to get very competitive. I havent taken the MCAT so I dont know how I will stack up to the crowd.

Are you really applying with a 2.9 ?

Hey, buddy, that's 2.95!
Yup, that's what I'm doing. Bear in mind that it represents six semesters of 2.0 followed by six semesters of 3.8, including my last 52 credits (post-bacc) at 4.0. It's also bolstered by my MCAT.

But I'm applying to 30 schools hoping at least to get a few interviews. I feel like I have an interesting story, and of course it's not ALL about the numbers. Just mostly.

 

[MilwaukeeMike28]

listen irate person ...... the UW-Madison Med School Admissions director told me the premed advisor at UW-Milwaukee is a great advisor. The premed advisor told me she had just talked to the madison med school and she was told this year was more competitive than the last several hence the .1 jump in GPAs ! I was not making that up !

 

[adamj61]

During the first round of interviews the dean told the EDP that two people (instate!) with 40's had applied and it was going to be a rough year.

 

[MilwaukeeMike28]

I think it is great you made some kind of change in your life to go from 2.0 to almost 4.0. What changed ? I have a similar story but I had only one year of 2.0 so not as much wreckage from the past. I am going to take science classes until I get enough As to get in no matter how long it takes. At some point I will have enough years of 4.0 to impress some admissions director.

Mike




Yup, that's what I'm doing. Bear in mind that it represents six semesters of 2.0 followed by six semesters of 3.8, including my last 52 credits (post-bacc) at 4.0. It's also bolstered by my MCAT.

But I'm applying to 30 schools hoping at least to get a few interviews. I feel like I have an interesting story, and of course it's not ALL about the numbers. Just mostly.[/QUOTE]

 

[adamj61]

Also, if you knew anything about UW admissions....the GPA doesn't matter, its your transcript that gets scored. So where you went to school, your major, all of that is factored in. The reason it is more competitive is not because of those two guys....it is because there are more med scholars from my class entering...which equals less spots for y'all. I will let you know what I hear on friday...big interview with the turkey sandwhich.

 

[derf]

listen irate person ...... the UW-Madison Med School Admissions director told me the premed advisor at UW-Milwaukee is a great advisor. The premed advisor told me she had just talked to the madison med school and she was told this year was more competitive than the last several hence the .1 jump in GPAs ! I was not making that up !

mike, i see what you're saying pal, but i'm not sure how anyone (including the dean of UW-madison himself) can predict a .1 increase. I mean, isn't the med app process supposed to be about other things in addition to numbers.

 

[liverotcod]

I think it is great you made some kind of change in your life to go from 2.0 to almost 4.0. What changed ?

Thanks. I quit drinking. I am a recovering drunk, 14 years sober.

The reason it is more competitive is not because of those two guys....it is because there are more med scholars from my class entering...which equals less spots for y'all.

Believe it or not, I almost entered the Medical Scholars program at UW in 1986. It was really a toss-up between that and Harvard. It's interesting to ponder how my life would be different had I gone down that road... Of course, undergraduates at UW Madison get very little exposure to alcohol, from what I understand ( 😀 ), so I might not have run into my little problem.

 

[MilwaukeeMike28]

NO NO NO NO NO ........ NO .......... It is about the numbers.......... Med Schools do not care about making good docs. They care about being more prestigious than the next medical school. That is all. If they really cared about creating great docs wouldnt they take a lot more students with 3.3s or 3.0s who had done something spectacular in life besides memorize biochemical cycles more thuroughly than the next guy.

Really - can you think anything more ironic in education for the dehumanizing process of applying to a medical school to help sick people ?

 

[liverotcod]

NO NO NO NO NO ........ NO .......... It is about the numbers.......... Med Schools do not care about making good docs. They care about being more prestigious than the next medical school. That is all. If they really cared about creating great docs wouldnt they take a lot more students with 3.3s or 3.0s who had done something spectacular in life besides memorize biochemical cycles more thuroughly than the next guy.

Really - can you think anything more ironic in education for the dehumanizing process of applying to a medical school to help sick people ?

I realize you're writing tongue-in-cheek, but there's something to this. The folks who argue that osteopathic schools turn out better doctors because of their methods of choosing classes have a point.

 

[MilwaukeeMike28]

Good

 

[derf]

can you think anything more ironic in education for the dehumanizing process of applying to a medical school to help sick people ?

haha, so true. can i use your quote as my new signature

 

[YzIa]

Also, if you knew anything about UW admissions....the GPA doesn't matter, its your transcript that gets scored. So where you went to school, your major, all of that is factored in. The reason it is more competitive is not because of those two guys....it is because there are more med scholars from my class entering...which equals less spots for y'all. I will let you know what I hear on friday...big interview with the turkey sandwhich.

Exactly, while this year may be more competitive than the previous few, there is no way anyone can predict a .1 GPA increase, or expect it! Doesn't matter how good of a pre-med advisor you have, I doubt her credentials include prophetic visions.

 

[MilwaukeeMike28]

She was told by the people at Madison ! She is not a propeht but she does have a telephone !

 

[YzIa]

She was told by the people at Madison ! She is not a propeht but she does have a telephone !

So UW is going to make a concious effort to raise the bar on the avg gpa this year? Experiences and MCAT will be set aside for the search of superior GPA? This is what you are implying correct?

 

[YzIa]

She was told by the people at Madison ! She is not a propeht but she does have a telephone !

OBJECTION - here-say


sorry, had to do it

 

[adamj61]

Either way an admissions secretary is being a prophet....someone is guessing. The med scholar kids can take easy classes and easily get a 4.0...that skews the average. I didn't even know UW-M had pre-med advisors The only premed advisor at the U-dub is Lucy herself...eh, there may be one other. What you guys both are missing is the fact the admissions are rolling. Therefore the sooner you get an interview the higher your chances of getting in.

 

[MilwaukeeMike28]

I really wasnt kidding - I think schools just care about their own stats because it makes them look better or more appealing. They dont seem to care about making great docs.

What does having a 3.4 vs a 3.8 have to do with being a good doc ? Nada.

Actually, I was a software engineer for 9 years and the way we sought out the best engineers through an interviewing process was to attempt to discover how they spent their free time. If they wrote software to speed up the caching system on their handheld we hired them. If they enjoyed buying old cars and rebuilding engines we hired them. If they liked traveling and golf we let someone else hire them.

 

[derf]

So UW is going to make a concious effort to raise the bar on the avg gpa this year? Experiences and MCAT will be set aside for the search of superior GPA? This is what you are implying correct?

yeah, it would have to be a conscientious effort

 

[YzIa]

Yes rolling, I am happy with my Sept. interview, but anyway,
the 2004 stats are up, I was shocked, over 100 more instate applicants in 2004 than 2003. Thats a F'n huge increase. They also did accept more out of state apps too.
(avg gpa did drop .01)

Adam, do you have a number the increase in pre-med scholars this year? I thought they had a cap around 40.

 

[adamj61]

Its all of those damn UW-whatever kids that should be applying to DO schools. Some people I go to school with apply with 24's and what not...so I'm not worried about that either. The med scholars vary from year to year...they can defer, sometimes they go early. I just heard it was high this year....but we are not borderline applicants anyway. In state kids that go to UW and have either a 30+ or a 3.7 will get in, don't forget about the scoring system

 

[liverotcod]

Yes rolling, I am happy with my Sept. interview, but anyway,
the 2004 stats are up, I was shocked, over 100 more instate applicants in 2004 than 2003. Thats a F'n huge increase. They also did accept more out of state apps too.
(avg gpa did drop .01)

Adam, do you have a number the increase in pre-med scholars this year? I thought they had a cap around 40.

I'm really impressed by the 188/540 for out-of-state. That's 1/3 of out-of-state applicants accepted! The footnote says that it's only completed applicants, though, which I assume means that pre-secondary rejections are pretty common out-of-state.

In Virginia, the state schools have been taking more out-of-staters for the additional tuition, or so rumor has it. But there's no apparent strong uptrend at UW.

 

[constructor]

listen, mcw is a ****ty school... the only things you're bound to see over there are cows grazing the hospital campus and half a dozen weight reduction surgeries per day.

 

[liverotcod]

listen, mcw is a ****ty school... the only things you're bound to see over there are cows grazing the hospital campus and half a dozen weight reduction surgeries per day.

I suppose they do less grazing after their septuple-gastric-bypasses. Poor cows!

 

[45408]

listen irate person ...... the UW-Madison Med School Admissions director told me the premed advisor at UW-Milwaukee is a great advisor. The premed advisor told me she had just talked to the madison med school and she was told this year was more competitive than the last several hence the .1 jump in GPAs ! I was not making that up !

are you talking about Patty Cobb?

I didn't even know UW-M had pre-med advisors

Why would a school with 25,000 undergrads not have a pre-med advisor?

listen, mcw is a ****ty school... the only things you're bound to see over there are cows grazing the hospital campus and half a dozen weight reduction surgeries per day.

Okay.

 

[YzIa]

I'm really impressed by the 188/540 for out-of-state. That's 1/3 of out-of-state applicants accepted! The footnote says that it's only completed applicants, though, which I assume means that pre-secondary rejections are pretty common out-of-state.

In Virginia, the state schools have been taking more out-of-staters for the additional tuition, or so rumor has it. But there's no apparent strong uptrend at UW.

188/540 is in state
out of state was something like 70/200

 

[dutchmaster]

This 3.8 GPA prediction is pretty interesting. Perhaps it's because of the new facilities, maybe WI residents who get accecptances at other institutions are deciding to stick around because of the new school? Who knows. I know that UW's rankings and prestige have been steadly increasing throughout the years.

Its all of those damn UW-whatever kids that should be applying to DO schools. Some people I go to school with apply with 24's and what not...so I'm not worried about that either. The med scholars vary from year to year...they can defer, sometimes they go early. I just heard it was high this year....but we are not borderline applicants anyway. In state kids that go to UW and have either a 30+ or a 3.7 will get in, don't forget about the scoring system

Also, adamj...the other UW schools are great institutions as well. No need to cut down on those students or the DO profession, assuming that you're better. It kinda sounds like you feel threatened by the other applicants? I just want everyone to know that not all UW-Madison students feel these same sentiments.

 

[liverotcod]

188/540 is in state
out of state was something like 70/200

Thanks, I see it now. 70/313, or 22%, which is still pretty high for a state school.

 

[akpete]

You guys are all scaring me. I'm counting on UW, but with a 29 MCAT, I figure I might be borderline.

But then again, the 3.8 can only be speculation. How do they know until all of the apps have arrived?

 

[adamj61]

Ok, those institutions are fantastic, but not for science or medicine. Good business, education etc. The exception is Lacrosse...which sends one student a year to the U-dub. As far as DO's....I think its cool, they just have lower standards. UW-M has 25,000 undergrads? Yikes 😱 I don't know if that is right but I will take your word.

ALSO, the out of state percentage is not correct. There is a huge bias towards UW undergrads...don't forget about that!

 

[adamj61]

You guys are all scaring me. I'm counting on UW, but with a 29 MCAT, I figure I might be borderline.

But then again, the 3.8 can only be speculation. How do they know until all of the apps have arrived?

most of the people on SDN lack your common sense...that will make up for the 29 😀 I don't even know why he posted that, its all hearsay until its over.

 

[Medikit]

I'm sorry cheese people 🙁. Btw our cheese is better, because our cows are happy

 

[akpete]

I'm sorry cheese people 🙁. Btw our cheese is better, because our cows are happy

I hate those commercials. It's just not right 🙁

 

[adamj61]

Its ok, our beer is the best.

 

[45408]

Ok, those institutions are fantastic, but not for science or medicine. Good business, education etc. The exception is Lacrosse...which sends one student a year to the U-dub. As far as DO's....I think its cool, they just have lower standards. UW-M has 25,000 undergrads? Yikes 😱 I don't know if that is right but I will take your word.

ALSO, the out of state percentage is not correct. There is a huge bias towards UW undergrads...don't forget about that!

actually, having just checked, I can't tell you exactly how many are undergrads, but it just says 25,000 according to this site http://www.uwm.edu/ugbulletin/UWM.html

As for science and medicine, my opinion is really that it's what you make of it all. I know plenty of former UWM students who are in med school now or practicing now. Madison may be ranked highly, but you sure do produce a lot of alcoholically-addled minds along with all of that research. Madison also serves a different purpose from a lot of the other schools - there's not much of a population that actually lives near it, whereas Milwaukee has over a million people in the metro area. This also explains why Madison is MUCH more homogeneous and why Milwaukee is more diverse.

 

[akpete]

Its ok, our beer is the best.

It's so true. No one can deny it. 😍

 

[adamj61]

actually, having just checked, I can't tell you exactly how many are undergrads, but it just says 25,000 according to this site http://www.uwm.edu/ugbulletin/UWM.html

As for science and medicine, my opinion is really that it's what you make of it all. I know plenty of former UWM students who are in med school now or practicing now. Madison may be ranked highly, but you sure do produce a lot of alcoholically-addled minds along with all of that research. Madison also serves a different purpose from a lot of the other schools - there's not much of a population that actually lives near it, whereas Milwaukee has over a million people in the metro area. This also explains why Madison is MUCH more homogeneous and why Milwaukee is more diverse.

True that...although we may have more foreign people living here. I agree that UWM is fine place to go, just not if you want to get into the UW med school because of the bias they have. Lets not forget the brew city is the most segregated city in the nation.

 

[constructor]

It's so true. No one can deny it. 😍

i knew the beer had to be the reason for all the ugly, pot-bellied wisconsin women... thank God i live in california... 😀

 

[adamj61]

I put our girls up with the best in the country...you've never been to madison

 

[akpete]

i knew the beer had to be the reason for all the ugly, pot-bellied wisconsin women... thank God i live in california... 😀

I am so offended right now, jack a$$ 😱

 

[45408]

True that...although we may have more foreign people living here. I agree that UWM is fine place to go, just not if you want to get into the UW med school because of the bias they have. Lets not forget the brew city is the most segregated city in the nation.

Segregated, yes, but it still has a lot of different races. A lot of cities aren't segregated because they don't have any other races anyways (I don't know about Madison, but I don't hear about any other races there, really). Waukesha County (the one immediately west of Milwaukee County) is 0.7% black, but MC is 25% black, and the city is almost 40% black (and a lot of Mexicans and Asians too).

I do agree, judging from the acceptance data, that UW med school is not much of an option if you went to UWM, but I know a dating couple that were both accepted at UW (and are both probably there now) from UWM.

 

[45408]

i knew the beer had to be the reason for all the ugly, pot-bellied wisconsin women... thank God i live in california... 😀

It's the truth - as soon as you leave the east side/UWM campus. There are an obscene number of fatties in this state (not me!), but the college population is just like any other college.

 

[constructor]

no, no, trust me i have... and needless to say i had trouble differentiating between your women and your livestock. maybe you and all the other wisconsin residents have a case of the "wisconsin goggles".

 

[45408]

Okay, chief. You can keep Cali's money-grubbing attention ****** to yourself.

 

[akpete]

Wow. I am appalled. We didn't have to get personal here. As a woman from the WEST side of WI, you are definitely wrong. Watch it with your stereotypes.

Keep in mind that like 50% of the COUNTRY is overweight. That includes CA too, by the way.

 

[constructor]

Okay, chief. You can keep Cali's money-grubbing attention ****** to yourself.

haha, i'm only kidding... i have friends from wisconsin and i keep giving them a hard time about this stuff... it's all in good fun!

 

[adamj61]

no, no, trust me i have... and needless to say i had trouble differentiating between your women and your livestock. maybe you and all the other wisconsin residents have a case of the "wisconsin goggles".

You are a ****ing idiot, I am talking about madison girls. We get all the hot jewish coasty girls, and the hot farmer girls. Pick up a playboy and check out the big ten girls...the hottest are from WI. Miss America was from WI (and she is in med school). It seems like the chunky ones are the only ones paying you any attention