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Ok, this is the official motivational thread for us non-trads. If you're anything like me, you need it. After working from 8-5, going to the gym, getting home at 6:30-7, all I want to do is relax infront of the TV.
Motivate me!!!!

Ok, I DO have my own motivation, such as wanting desperately to get into medical school, but every now and then I need a good kick in the pants. 😀
 
Unplug your TV, and put it in your closet. Or if you're daring, donate it to the Salvation Army.

I don't even own a TV--never mind feeling unmotivated; I think that the drivel that passes for television entertainment just about sucks away my entire will to live. 😛
 
I don't think that I could survive without the Discovery and History channel. 🙂
 
When I need a burst of motivation, and playing the Sims for five hours won't fly because some part of my higher brain is still working, I just think of how many years have passed already while I was in the "I'll figure it out later" phase. Hey, it was a good phase. I did some good things, had some good times. No regrets there at all. Totally worth it.

But what would be lame would be to return to that state of being, knowing what I know now. Before, I had a sense that it would all work out. Now, I understand that that Spider-Sense was right about the opportunity and the timing, but now I need to do my part. I'm moving away for post-bac, and the TV stays home... for now.

Otherwise, I just remember Dr. Cox from Scrubs: "I became a doctor for the same four reasons everybody does: chicks, money, power, and chicks."
 
Jaylily and anyone else:

My own advice: distance yourself from any toxic people in your life, or people who themselves are unmotivated/not going anywhere with their lives.

My social group used to revolve around an "artsy" lifestyle, role-playing games and science fiction fandom. I don't hang out with these people anymore except on a very limited basis.

"Right association" (you get this from Buddhism) is one of the big things. Find a way to spend time around other people going in the same direction. Start hanging around other people with professional aspirations. I started going to Toastmaster's and it's a good place to meet these people.
 
Unplug, or *gasp* donate my TV... It's good advice, but I'm not that strong. I need to crack down and quit revolving my study time around what's on TV. Before I sound too pathetic though... I only have maybe 4 shows per week that I really need to watch (and one's cancelled after this Friday)

I have separated myself from negative/unmotivated people (my old roommate being one of them) Part of it may be that I'm comfortable where I am now (not happy with my career choice, but comfortable) I"m afraid of getting too comfortable and becoming too afraid to make the jump forward. All of my close friends know of my desire to go to med school, and when I talk about chickening out, they kick my ass and remind me of my reasons to go. 🙂

I just need some of them at my place making chem and physics notes for me! 😀
 
jaylily said:
Unplug, or *gasp* donate my TV... It's good advice, but I'm not that strong. ...

That's why I did it. If I have it, I'll turn it on. I'm enjoying the TV-free lifestyle, but I agree it's not for everyone. And I'm surfing SDN instead of doing physics right now.

I think I'll go work out now, and then smack some homework around.

Maybe.
 
I covered my tv with a very nice pareo a good friend brought me from Tahiti. Then I put a plant on it...I know it sounds silly, of course I knew it was there, but it worked! Most of the time I hardly thought of it, but it was there when I really wanted a break.

You might want to look at how you are studying - perhaps doing something differently will make it less onerous - I got into some great study groups, used alternate textbooks if the one assigned just wasn't helping, looked up stuff on the web, and so on. In physics, wouldn't ddoing more problems help more than making book notes? Study timing works well for some people, too - 45 on/15 off.

I VERY MUCH agree about withdrawing from negative people, and I think it is great that you have done that. It isn't easy!

Keep track of each success every step of the way - each test you do well on, as well as each class, the MCAT, completing AMCAS, etc. There are so many hoops and it is so far to go that I found it was de-motivating if I thought too far ahead, or if I didn't pat myself on the back for each achievement.

I also moved away to complete my post-bacc, but I know that may not be an option for you. It really helps to surround yourself with other (positive, not uber-competitive) pre-meds, old and young. It keeps you motivated and makes all the steps seem a little easier.

When I was in a research program last year, a prominent surgeon came to speak to us. At the end, he reminisced about being where we were - in school or post-bacc, still needing to apply, overwhelmed...He said the one piece of advice that he would give us would be to "keep showing up." In other words, do what you have to do each day, maybe not get the perfect score, but show up for studying, show up for the test on that day (instead of hoping to get a sick reschedule or something) show up for each thing. In your case, you have changed your life to be at this point, and you need to "show up" to study, and do it. I don't know, maybe this motto doesn't translate as well as I thought! Sorry!

I was always motivated by visualizing myself as a doctor, actually helping one of the patients I met in Peru, or here in the US, actually providing respectful care and helping them - instead of just being on the sidelines.
 
Really, my biggest fear is that I'm quitting my job in September (hoping to still do some contract work), and I"m going to university for one more year (I've already completed 7 😱 ) I need some prereq courses. The school doesn't scare me, I'm quite looking forward to it. It's just that I've spent the past 3 years paying off a chunk of student loans, and now I'm going to rack them all back up again in 8 months. And I"m just afraid that I'll do all this and end up not getting into med school. That's the only thing that's scaring me. I'm still chugging away, and won't let it stop me. What's another $5 grand? At least I'm not doing this in the US where school tuition is insane!

My first years of uni, I was in premed but wanted to do physiotherapy. I always thought that you had to be some sort of miraculous genius to do medicine. I now know that it just takes determination and a will to succeed. You dont' need to be gifted. (it's just helps) 😉
 
I need some prereq courses. The school doesn't scare me, I'm quite looking forward to it. It's just that I've spent the past 3 years paying off a chunk of student loans, and now I'm going to rack them all back up again in 8 months. And I"m just afraid that I'll do all this and end up not getting into med school.

I concur...I'm facing the very real possibility of giving up my job at the end of this year...just 2 years before vesting...all because I can't figure out a way to work and go back to school at the same time...if I could, I would be able to get my pre-reqs, get vested, be completely debt free, and matriculate in '08...

I'm going to work on this VERY hard.
 
I'm at least lucky in the fact that with my job I don't really NEED to be in the office from 8-5. As long as I have a computer (which I don't), and AutoCAD (which I also don't) I'm ok to work at home. I have no doubts that I can get the CAD, but I'll just have to invest in a lap top now. But at least that's something I could write off come tax time since I'd be working from home. Now I just have to hope and pray that my employer has enough work for me to do to keep me on as a contract employee!
Good luck to you, MJB :luck: I hope it all works out for you!!

money sucks
 
Great post, Cheerful! That's good advice; the people who succeed might have a lot of characteristics, but the one thing all winners have in common is the ability to consistently show up. We've put so much into it thus far, we owe it to ourselves to come on the field ready to play.

And as for the advice I fear might sound dorky, I have walked down the hallway at my office job, imagining the fit of a white coat on me as I do. The weight of stuff in the pockets, the sleeves, the length (...what, you think I do motivational visualization of being a lowly student?).

Hey, it might be cheesy, but I stand a little straighter when I do that.
 
Febrifuge said:
And as for the advice I fear might sound dorky, I have walked down the hallway at my office job, imagining the fit of a white coat on me as I do. The weight of stuff in the pockets, the sleeves, the length

Looks good on you! Nice fit! How's mine look? 😀
 
Febrifuge - that's a great visualization! From what I have read, those details really matter and do make a difference.

QofQuim - thanks for the nice note! I know you can do it, just do the things for today.

All - I really empathize being in the middle of the work to pre-med to med school switch. It took me a few years to really make the shift, and in the end I did choose to go away to get it done. I was also able to consult long distance, which helped. I just really want to say that if I can get across that middle bit, that no-man's-land, and complete all the steps, so can each of you. Some of it, for me at least, was more psychological than financial - since I had not followed my dream of medicine for so long, I was overly wrapped up in the status that my fancy job and nice salary gave me - since I sort of felt that I could not achieve my dream, I took on the values of society in general. But, once I really got started, even though it was awful being an extended studies (persona non grata) student, it was so clear it was the right path that I never regretted leaving my job/salary, etc. Yes, I freaked out over test scores and classes and worrying that the school I chose for post-bacc wasn't prestigous enough and so on - but I never thought I should give it up.

Jaylily, the student loan thing IS really difficult b/c you have to switch your view from the generally accepted "getting RID of loans is good" to the right for you "a few more loans right now are ok."

Here's the thing, if you don't move forward with these steps (classes, loans if needed, laptop if that helps) you KNOW you won't be going to medical school. Sure, there is no guarantee that if you do everything perfectly you will get in, but you will have so many more options once you complete the pre-reqs and the MCAT, even if you don't get accepted right away.

Gosh, I do go on!

best wishes to all!
 
I'm having very little/no trouble convincing myself this is what to do...but how does one go about reassuring their spouse/significant other that the correct decision is being made?

I'm struggling with this...as my wife is a born worrier...that can worry about worrying, and actually can sit around and THINK about things to worry about...
 
Cheerfulgrrl said:
I just really want to say that if I can get across that middle bit, that no-man's-land, and complete all the steps, so can each of you.
Thanks! This is kind of a pergatory stage that I'm in.... that I guess a lot of us are in.
If only I could fast forward 3 years or so and see what happens!! 😛

MJB, I have NO idea what to do for your situation. I guess the only thing you really can do is just reassure her that this is just a step in the right direction. It's hard though.

Once again, can I just say that money sucks??
 
MJB said:
I'm having very little/no trouble convincing myself this is what to do...but how does one go about reassuring their spouse/significant other that the correct decision is being made?

I'm struggling with this...as my wife is a born worrier...that can worry about worrying, and actually can sit around and THINK about things to worry about...

Sadly, my husband actually bought me a book called "The Worrywart's Companion." I worry that I have forgotten to worry about something sometimes...

In our case, I am (was) the worrier, and needed his kick in the pants to move out of what Jaylily has aptly called purgatory...

I don't know your spouse, and I want to be careful about being presumptious, but I did want to answer based on my experience as a worrier and as a spouse seeking support for this dream...

As a worrier, I have found it is helpful when I can move from considering things just in black and white (you will get into to med school or you will not and you will have no money and all will go to heck....) to understanding that there are hundreds of spots along the way where the road might turn in a different direction - hundreds of possible outcomes that aren't so extreme. Equally, it has been helpful to me to really imagine what would happen in the case of my worst case scenario.

So, my first point is that the decisions you two are trying to make now are not "med school or not" but instead are "chem class this fall to see where you are at or not," etc. Otherwise, as a worrier, I am acting as if I can see the future, and really I can't.

I would also note that the more facts and figures I have, the more I feel like my spouse has actually listened to my worries. So go through all the potential outcomes, financial issues, etc.

The second point is really, what would happen if you went through all of this, took the MCAT, applied, and did not get into to medical school? I hope YOU would reapply, but my point is that, for example, during your application year you would probably be working again, so if you didn't get it in, you would just keep working. Perhaps you would apply to DO schools, or etc. Financially, all sorts of things (positive and negative) can happen along the way, for example, perhaps your state has a program where if you register for a second bachelor's you can take out student loans, etc. So, what would happen if the worst happened?

As far as seeking the support of my spouse, as I noted it was more the other way round in this house, but I have to tell you how much happier we have been since I have been pursuing this dream. (and I actually worry so much less...) Medicine is my calling, and as long as I felt I wasn't smart enough to respond to the call, even though I had other sorts of success, I was just not very happy - without even really realizing it!

Granted, I am going to a great med school, and thus some of this may ring false to your ears, but I firmly believe it is better to pursue this dream and fail than to never have tried.

Don't know if any of this painful honesty relates to your situation, but here it is, anyway! So now that I have confessed the worry thing, I'm worried I should have come up with a new user name to conceal my id for this post!
 
Thanks for the insight...What makes our situation a little more interesting is that I "supported/pushed" her to go back and do something she "wanted" to do in going to Nursing school, and told her...No matter what happens, we'll make it...I'm pretty much an optimist and figure that the worst that can happen is I never get in, and I start a lawn business or something (another line of work I would enjoy), but I know life isn't going to end for me if it doesn't happen...At the same time I know I can't go the rest of my life without TRYING to do this...

She was concerned last night that we might not have the money to put kids through college (hint: we don't have kids and they aren't even on the radar)...

I have to realize she's under a lot of stress right now with finals, etc...and she's getting royally SCREWED by the university right now...basically, something is happening that will keep her from going into the field of nursing that she wants to do more than anything else (OR)...

Worst part is, with her grades SHE should be the one going back to Med...

I think I've got her settled down now though...laying out a plan for us to be pretty much out of debt, living where we want to live, in a nice house, by the time we're 40...

Her biggest problem is she was raised by people that worked in jobs that they HATED and just "put in their time" so they could retire as millionaires at the age of 55 and 57, respectively...EVERYTHING was planned out in full detail with these folks, and all they did was work their middle class job so they could retire early...Well, they moved to what is a $HITHOLE of a town, in my opinion, and now mom-in-law has a terminal disease (dead in the next 10 years)...so I point out to my wife that if you go through life with only the END in mind, you could end up screwing yourself...I, as a 28 year old Cancer survivor, choose to live my life more day to day, if not hour by hour...but in this "purgatory" (good word for it) that I'm in right now, I'm dying.

I'm sure we're gonna make it, but I know she's gonna freak out at least 2-3 times a year...but that's why I 😍 her...bless her heart!
 
jaylily said:
Looks good on you! Nice fit! How's mine look? 😀
Dude, you have a little something on your lapel there-- oh. I see, it's a pin. Cool. So do all the chief residents have those, or is it just your service? 😀
 
Cheerfulgrrl said:
I firmly believe it is better to pursue this dream and fail than to never have tried.

I agree completely. And while it's scary to try and fail, it's even scarier to not try and always wonder 'what if'.
 
Febrifuge said:
Dude, you have a little something on your lapel there-- oh. I see, it's a pin. Cool. So do all the chief residents have those, or is it just your service? 😀

Ah, chief resident. You know when I was volunteering in the ER at a hospital here, a patient actually called me doctor. It gave me that warm, fuzzy feeling inside. 🙂
 
Cheerfulgrrl said:
All - I really empathize being in the middle of the work to pre-med to med school switch. It took me a few years to really make the shift, and in the end I did choose to go away to get it done. I was also able to consult long distance, which helped. I just really want to say that if I can get across that middle bit, that no-man's-land, and complete all the steps, so can each of you. Some of it, for me at least, was more psychological than financial - since I had not followed my dream of medicine for so long, I was overly wrapped up in the status that my fancy job and nice salary gave me - since I sort of felt that I could not achieve my dream, I took on the values of society in general. But, once I really got started, even though it was awful being an extended studies (persona non grata) student, it was so clear it was the right path that I never regretted leaving my job/salary, etc. Yes, I freaked out over test scores and classes and worrying that the school I chose for post-bacc wasn't prestigous enough and so on - but I never thought I should give it up.

Jaylily, the student loan thing IS really difficult b/c you have to switch your view from the generally accepted "getting RID of loans is good" to the right for you "a few more loans right now are ok."

Here's the thing, if you don't move forward with these steps (classes, loans if needed, laptop if that helps) you KNOW you won't be going to medical school. Sure, there is no guarantee that if you do everything perfectly you will get in, but you will have so many more options once you complete the pre-reqs and the MCAT, even if you don't get accepted right away.

Gosh, I do go on!

best wishes to all!

Thanks everyone, it's good to know that I am not alone in feeling some tepidation in taking the jump to go to post-bacc for three years then -hopefully- onto med school.

Cheerfulgrrl--What you said really encapsulates what I am feeling and to hear that you've gotten through it makes me feel better about making the transition. I'm still in the nice salary/benefits stage and will be leaving it this fall to go to HES. There's a chance I may be able to work part time for the firm I'm with now. If so, I could keep some semblance of the salary and be able to concentrate on studying. Either way, though, I know I'll be giving up a pretty cush lifestyle and some nice friends to pursue my dream. Most are supportive and are really a source of inspiration. (Though a part of me wonders if they're happy I'm leaving... 🙄 )

Anyway, I have bad days and good days on the motivation front. Usually, though, surfing over here and just reading the experiences of those who are going through med school/residency (good and bad) are enough to snap me back into focus. My professional focus now is in the political area and I could give two sh*ts about all the partisan crap that is happening. Thankfully in the health policy part of my job I take whatever opportunity I can to look up journal articles to prove whatever argument I am trying to make. My coworkers think I am a freak when I get all giddy about finding some obscure medical reference. At least that behavior tends to reinforce my decision.

On a slightly unrelated note, I'm thinking about moving the TV out of the bedroom this fall when I start classes, especially since I'll have digital cable with like 400 channels.
 
booradley5 said:
Thanks everyone, it's good to know that I am not alone in feeling some tepidation in taking the jump to go to post-bacc for three years then -hopefully- onto med school.

Cheerfulgrrl--What you said really encapsulates what I am feeling and to hear that you've gotten through it makes me feel better about making the transition. I'm still in the nice salary/benefits stage and will be leaving it this fall to go to HES. There's a chance I may be able to work part time for the firm I'm with now. If so, I could keep some semblance of the salary and be able to concentrate on studying. Either way, though, I know I'll be giving up a pretty cush lifestyle and some nice friends to pursue my dream. Most are supportive and are really a source of inspiration. (Though a part of me wonders if they're happy I'm leaving... 🙄 )

Anyway, I have bad days and good days on the motivation front. Usually, though, surfing over here and just reading the experiences of those who are going through med school/residency (good and bad) are enough to snap me back into focus. My professional focus now is in the political area and I could give two sh*ts about all the partisan crap that is happening. Thankfully in the health policy part of my job I take whatever opportunity I can to look up journal articles to prove whatever argument I am trying to make. My coworkers think I am a freak when I get all giddy about finding some obscure medical reference. At least that behavior tends to reinforce my decision.

On a slightly unrelated note, I'm thinking about moving the TV out of the bedroom this fall when I start classes, especially since I'll have digital cable with like 400 channels.


Oh boy, do I support you in moving that tv!

Also - wanted to let you know that early early in this process I attended a conference at Cornell Medical School for pre-meds, with a focus on non-trads. One thing that came up is that adcoms like people with a policy background! So, you already have something special to present. For me, it was a great relief and very bolstering to realize (gradually more so than all at once) that my "past" non - premed life could actually be of value and part of my new medical goals.
 
booradley5 said:
On a slightly unrelated note, I'm thinking about moving the TV out of the bedroom this fall when I start classes, especially since I'll have digital cable with like 400 channels.

But Discovery Health channel is studying... right?? I learn most of the time when I watch, so it's not sucking all the life out of me. 😉

Ah, big group hug for all of us who are giving up cushy jobs with benefits and security for 4 years of Kraft Dinner (Kraft mac & cheese for you Americanos) and pb&j sandwiches. Student life when you're pushing 30 is not nearly as fun as it was when you were 21. 🙄
 
MJB said:
Thanks for the insight...What makes our situation a little more interesting is that I "supported/pushed" her to go back and do something she "wanted" to do in going to Nursing school, and told her...No matter what happens, we'll make it...I'm pretty much an optimist and figure that the worst that can happen is I never get in, and I start a lawn business or something (another line of work I would enjoy), but I know life isn't going to end for me if it doesn't happen...At the same time I know I can't go the rest of my life without TRYING to do this...

She was concerned last night that we might not have the money to put kids through college (hint: we don't have kids and they aren't even on the radar)...

I have to realize she's under a lot of stress right now with finals, etc...and she's getting royally SCREWED by the university right now...basically, something is happening that will keep her from going into the field of nursing that she wants to do more than anything else (OR)...

Worst part is, with her grades SHE should be the one going back to Med...

I think I've got her settled down now though...laying out a plan for us to be pretty much out of debt, living where we want to live, in a nice house, by the time we're 40...

Her biggest problem is she was raised by people that worked in jobs that they HATED and just "put in their time" so they could retire as millionaires at the age of 55 and 57, respectively...EVERYTHING was planned out in full detail with these folks, and all they did was work their middle class job so they could retire early...Well, they moved to what is a $HITHOLE of a town, in my opinion, and now mom-in-law has a terminal disease (dead in the next 10 years)...so I point out to my wife that if you go through life with only the END in mind, you could end up screwing yourself...I, as a 28 year old Cancer survivor, choose to live my life more day to day, if not hour by hour...but in this "purgatory" (good word for it) that I'm in right now, I'm dying.

I'm sure we're gonna make it, but I know she's gonna freak out at least 2-3 times a year...but that's why I 😍 her...bless her heart!


Hey, it takes skill and practice to work up a good, entertaining freakout!

When something is just generally and genuinely hugely scary (the change you two are contemplating for you career-wise) I think it is natural to want to find specific, even if outlandish, reasons against it (you won't be able to put currently-phantom children through college). Your wife sounds like she wants to be supportive but is worried AND going through so much. Your awareness of where your spouse is at emotionally will help so much, and I believe you will make it - together! Best wishes!
 
jaylily said:
But Discovery Health channel is studying... right?? I learn most of the time when I watch, so it's not sucking all the life out of me. 😉

I was totally thinking of adding that caveat!! Of course, I am sitting here with Discovery Health on in the background...Trauma, Life in the ER: Detroit. Now that is some entertaining television!! (Those from MI, like me, will particularly understand this.) That ER staff does not get paid enough, this I am sure.



Cheerfulgrrl--Thanks for the tidbit on the policy experience thing. If I recall, you mentioned that you kept on consulting for clients while you were in pre-med...did you you do policy stuff as well? Being the solid B/B+ student I've been to date, I'm sure I'll need whatever advantage I can get! I'm going to the oldpremed conference here in DC in June, which should be super fun and a great resource for how to sell myself when the time comes. I find myself "practicing" my interviewing skills whenever someone asks me why I want to go to med school even though that's three years away.

It's kinda weird, though, knowing that I will be making a big shift from my current position where docs view me as a peer, lecturing/educating them on politics, grassroots, and why a particular policy is good/bad--to being a student and learning from them. I gotta be prepared to check that ego at the door. Anyone else have this problem?
 
Cheerfulgrrl said:
I covered my tv with a very nice pareo a good friend brought me from Tahiti.

While were still on the TV subject....what's a "pareo"?
 
There was another thread on here about people's biggest fear about medical school. I wrote there that it is the fear of the unknown. I'm a worrier too. I worry about finishing my projects because otherwise I won't be able to write up my dissertation on time and graduate, and considering that I started grad school in 1997, I really really REALLY want to graduate!! I obsessed about the MCAT all last summer and fall. Major overkill there. Now I'm a bit over the edge about the AMCAS, which I'm positive could only have been designed by the Marquis de Sade. Or Vlad the Impaler. 😛 I feel like I've ended up in some kind of Kafka story sometimes. If you've ever read "The Castle," then you know what I'm talking about. If you're a worrier, and you haven't read it, my best advice to you is don't. :laugh: I guess what it boils down to is that I have a hard time just having faith (for lack of a better word of what to call it) that things will turn out all right, even though they frequently turn out not just "all right" but actually well. Anyway I have to tell you guys that I am really glad that you're all here. It can get lonely being a non-trad pre-med sometimes, and somehow it does help to know that you're not the only one.
 
I hear you guys. I start my post-bac this Fall and I'm worred as all heck. I'm quitting a decent paying job soon for a part-time job at my father's ice cream shop while I attend school. HaHa, at least I'll be able to drown my worries in tubs of ice cream. Anyway, as has been said in this thread and by many others before, it is better to attempt my dreams than to not attempt them at all. That is what I will remind myself each time I start to have doubts over these next couple of years. The toughest time will be this first year though, because I'll probably have a better feel where I stand after I take the majority of the pre-reqs.
 
booradley5 said:
I was totally thinking of adding that caveat!! Of course, I am sitting here with Discovery Health on in the background...Trauma, Life in the ER: Detroit. Now that is some entertaining television!! (Those from MI, like me, will particularly understand this.) That ER staff does not get paid enough, this I am sure.

That's one of my favourite shows! A friend of mine is a nurse at a metro Detroit hospital... not sure which one though, I kept trying to see if I could see her on that epi of Trauma, but the fact that she also doesn't work in the ER explains why I didnt' see her. 😛

QofQuimica - Misery loves company. The more the merrier, right! It always makes you feel better when you have others who understand your situation and can share in your fears, tell you there's light at the end of the tunnel (Thanks Cherrful!) And kick you in the arse when you need it. That's why I love SDN. I have no other friends who are venturing into the med field. The closest I have is a friend in Dentistry. And those dentists are sadistic! 🙂

Dok101 - mmmm... ice cream. Watch out for those freshman 15! 😉
 
jaylily said:
Dok101 - mmmm... ice cream. Watch out for those freshman 15! 😉

I packed those freshman 15 on back in '97. One time is enough for me. 🙂 But then again, I'll be surrounded by ice cream all day so all bets are off.
 
Hey all! Just keep going, one step at a time, one jump through a hoop at a time - you will get through pre-med.
 
I will have at least $90-100K in debt *crossing fingers that this won't happen and I can figure out how to get instate tuition to save me $40K from going to a private university that is closer* BEFORE I enter med school 🙁 With my MBA costing me WAY more than I thought and my undergrad loans (some which were already paid off from a "freak accident" - about $50K worth 🙁 ) I'm so freaking worried about money. Additionally that only thing I will be eligible is limited federal funding and mostly private loans with floating interest rates 🙁 I am quitting my job in 20 business days and its starting to freak me out that this is the first time since high school I won't have income. I'm trying to get a part-time internet job through a professor, but with my courseload I think it will be hard for me to get a job.

$$$$$ and then can I really take 4-5 science classes a semester? After I take these classes there are NO guarantees I will even get in with my crappy GPA. But I am positive, I have positive support. Those who know me well support my decision and I'm excited. I have focused in my life and some miss me "hanging out" and complain about it, but I have my priorities. I won't change them.
 
mshheaddoc said:
I will have at least $90-100K in debt *crossing fingers that this won't happen and I can figure out how to get instate tuition to save me $40K from going to a private university that is closer* BEFORE I enter med school 🙁 With my MBA costing me WAY more than I thought and my undergrad loans (some which were already paid off from a "freak accident" - about $50K worth 🙁 ) I'm so freaking worried about money. Additionally that only thing I will be eligible is limited federal funding and mostly private loans with floating interest rates 🙁 I am quitting my job in 20 business days and its starting to freak me out that this is the first time since high school I won't have income. I'm trying to get a part-time internet job through a professor, but with my courseload I think it will be hard for me to get a job.

$$$$$ and then can I really take 4-5 science classes a semester? After I take these classes there are NO guarantees I will even get in with my crappy GPA. But I am positive, I have positive support. Those who know me well support my decision and I'm excited. I have focused in my life and some miss me "hanging out" and complain about it, but I have my priorities. I won't change them.


Ok, deep breath (for me, too!) The money thing is a big deal, but what makes me nervous for you is that you are allowing the money issue to push you into possibly taking 4-5 science classes a semester. That is not the best way to success. Note that many post-baccs had crappy undergrad science grades, the way you fix that is by making sure you have awesome post-bacc grades. You have decided to do this, and you can do it - but you have to keep perspective and allow yourself to succeed. If you need to take one more semester (and how long before you apply?) of classes so that each semester has a more do-able schedule, ESPECIALLY if you also want to work, are the additional loans that much more than what you are already looking at? Plan to succeed, don't make this decision and then let the money fears keep you from doing it right. Remember that student loans are a type of "good" debt, even though debt is very scary.

We need more info - what are the factors involved in getting in-state tuition? Won't your MBA and undergrad debt be deferred if you are in school FT? It IS very hard to get funding for post-bacc, can you apply to either school for a second bachelor's? Usually, you can then get addl loans and med schools do not expect to finish a second bachelors (as opposed to grad degrees, which they want to see you finish before entry.) If you are going to work, can't you stretch things out, work twenty hours a week, take 2 classes, or some combo thereof? Also, look on your state website, many have addl loan programs that you can sign up for, may require you to be in a second bachelors program or a formal post-bacc. What about retirement fund from your work? Obviously, best to keep it, but if you can keep it, when you are freaked about money you can always remember that you have a nest egg. Whichever U you go to, you may be able, after you know a few profs, to get a job in research - such a job would help your application while they pay you.

You mention priorities - is keeping your debt down a priority over doing well in your post-bacc classes? Just remember, if you cut too many corners, you will still have spent tons of money and you will have made it so much harder to succeed. And you can succeed!
 
Cheerfulgrrl, seriously, have you considered a second career in motivational speaking? 🙂
 
Cheerfulgrrl said:
Ok, deep breath (for me, too!) The money thing is a big deal, but what makes me nervous for you is that you are allowing the money issue to push you into possibly taking 4-5 science classes a semester. That is not the best way to success. Note that many post-baccs had crappy undergrad science grades, the way you fix that is by making sure you have awesome post-bacc grades. You have decided to do this, and you can do it - but you have to keep perspective and allow yourself to succeed. If you need to take one more semester (and how long before you apply?) of classes so that each semester has a more do-able schedule, ESPECIALLY if you also want to work, are the additional loans that much more than what you are already looking at? Plan to succeed, don't make this decision and then let the money fears keep you from doing it right. Remember that student loans are a type of "good" debt, even though debt is very scary.

We need more info - what are the factors involved in getting in-state tuition? Won't your MBA and undergrad debt be deferred if you are in school FT? It IS very hard to get funding for post-bacc, can you apply to either school for a second bachelor's? Usually, you can then get addl loans and med schools do not expect to finish a second bachelors (as opposed to grad degrees, which they want to see you finish before entry.) If you are going to work, can't you stretch things out, work twenty hours a week, take 2 classes, or some combo thereof? Also, look on your state website, many have addl loan programs that you can sign up for, may require you to be in a second bachelors program or a formal post-bacc. What about retirement fund from your work? Obviously, best to keep it, but if you can keep it, when you are freaked about money you can always remember that you have a nest egg. Whichever U you go to, you may be able, after you know a few profs, to get a job in research - such a job would help your application while they pay you.

You mention priorities - is keeping your debt down a priority over doing well in your post-bacc classes? Just remember, if you cut too many corners, you will still have spent tons of money and you will have made it so much harder to succeed. And you can succeed!
Yes motivational speaking really is your thang girl 😉

🙂 So nice to want to help!!!

I have pretty much my plan laid out I was just more venting. I *might* have a part time position working on the internet so time isn't a problem there. The money really is my issue. To get instate tuition I will need to have residency which is either through 12 months or marriage :laugh: I think 12 mns is a better go. That school will also be 1.5 hrs away and the other private for only $7K more (the first year - only) So its a private school at $19K a year like 20 mins away, or a public school 1.5 hrs away at $12K the first year then $5K the years after that. :laugh: How cheap!?!!??!!? But then again, I will be a doctor and will be able to afford it so I shouldn't worry too much.

I think its just the big picture I am freaking out about. I am going for a "second" bachelors so I'm eligible for federal aid for the next year. I am kinda ify on my course load though. Honestly though, I am not afraid to take on alot because I have been working full-time and full-time MBA the past year as well so just concentrating on school will be a blessing. But what classes to take? What order? I have a time frame goal for myself which means all prereqs done by next spring, and I have ot decide whether to take April/Aug MCAT. Prereqs will get done as I am taking bio this summer, physics/ochem this fall. I might retake chem from 7 years ago next summer just for the grades at a community college. But I wanted to also take 2 more bio classes at least one more. I've researched the institutions to find a class schedule that might work for me (at both institutions) to accomplish what I want.

But you are right. I need to slow down. I have a tendency to get overzealous on planning and want to get things done right away. I need quality not quantity. I just really want to get in for the 2007 app cycle b/c then I would be exactly 4 years apart from my boyfriend in the cycle. He will be starting residency when I start school. Just so much planning in place I suppose. I have the next 3 weeks to get my applications for those 2 schools in. I am sending away from my transcripts and hope ot know if I'm accepted by mid june. Otherwise, I will not be moving out with my boyfriend (which is where i'm applying) as I have already been accepted to "my" state school as a Bio Major 2nd degree.

I am going to the Non-traditional conference in june and hope to get some learning experience out of it 🙂 Hopefully that will help some!
 
Hey, to get in-State residency, marry some poor sap (not your boyfriend though), then after school, divorce him and instead of the whole "You get half my salary" thing, have him take half your debt! :meanie:
 
jaylily said:
Hey, to get in-State residency, marry some poor sap (not your boyfriend though), then after school, divorce him and instead of the whole "You get half my salary" thing, have him take half your debt! :meanie:
trust me, thought has crossed my mind 😉 Prior to the boyfriend though. *sigh* I hate having a conscious.

Or I just marry the boyfriend 😉 So many more benefits if we did. Argh. I want to go back to 3rd grade 😀
 
I agree. Kindergarten would be great too. All that painting with your fingers! And nap time... sweet, sweet nap time!
 
jaylily said:
I agree. Kindergarten would be great too. All that painting with your fingers! And nap time... sweet, sweet nap time!
Yeah but I was trying to skip 2nd grade. I had a nazi teacher who gave me a "C" in penmanship. Hence I chose 3rd grade.
 
Ah, perhaps an omen of your future? Poor penmanship... future doctor.. coincidence? I think not!

Screw the C, she was just jealous!
 
jaylily said:
Ah, perhaps an omen of your future? Poor penmanship... future doctor.. coincidence? I think not!

Screw the C, she was just jealous!
Exactly, its better now I suppose. I just hated that lined paper. Conformist, that I sometimes am not!

Jealous of what? me dancing down the hallways which I apparently did alot! :laugh: I'm still bitter about that. That was my only C till my senior year of high school when I got senoritis in November and got a C in AP Adv Chem for the year b/c I hated school. :laugh:
 
My high school C was Geography. Oh how I loathe those maps. Still to this day my geography outside of North America gets a big ol C. And my brother's the keener who loved Geography and is now a geologist. However it's nicely balanced by the fact that he sucked in bio. :meanie:
 
But sometimes college C's are more enjoyable because that means you don't have to take the course again. Some of my favourite C's were in Physics II - Electromagnetism and a psych course - Intro to Personality. I don't get the psych one though. I'd read the material, and understand it, but actually APPLYING it?? Psha! (and incase you missed that, it was indeed a 'psha') I still fear my psych rotation. I know that's going to be my toughest. Memorize the phone book that is anatomy, no problem, but ask me to delve into someone's mind. Yikes!
 
jaylily said:
I'm at least lucky in the fact that with my job I don't really NEED to be in the office from 8-5. As long as I have a computer (which I don't), and AutoCAD (which I also don't) I'm ok to work at home. I have no doubts that I can get the CAD, but I'll just have to invest in a lap top now. But at least that's something I could write off come tax time since I'd be working from home. Now I just have to hope and pray that my employer has enough work for me to do to keep me on as a contract employee!
Good luck to you, MJB :luck: I hope it all works out for you!!

money sucks


Youch. I cringe when I remember how much I paid for AutoCAD. More than I paid for my Workstation. With my structural design software, large carriage inkjet plotter (HP all the way, baby!) I paid what some people pay for a car.

AutoCAD has (or had) a pretty good grip on the CAD market. There are other programs but since I learned on AutoCAD and used it at every engineering firm I where I worked I wasn't about to switch when I started working for myself just to save a few thousand dollars. Not to mention that every company I did business with wanted copies of drawings in AutoCAD.

Another program I used extensivelywas MathCAD. I did a lot of calcualtions and since I despise traditional spreadsheets I took to it like a duck to water.

No point. Just post padding to get to 4000 before I quit for good.
 
3000+ posts??
Post *****!! 🙂









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