Vascular Surgery Fellowship Match (5+2) 2020-2021

[ExtraAnatomical]

Hi Everyone,
I wanted to start this thread for those applying for the 5+2 Vascular fellowship 2020-2021.
With applications opening up soon, I have been finalizing CV stuff, LORs, and personal statement. We will attempt to post the important dates with regards to our match cycle. Good luck to all.

 

[fenestratedbutpus]

What's everyone's thoughts about programs with concurrent 0+5 training. I know there are pros and cons. But how are you factoring this into decisions. Good luck all.

PS: Good resource for all the endovascular stuff. Great reviews. Hastens grasp of the simple stuff and move unto the more complex.

-Basics of Wire and Catheter Based Procedures for Beginners

Could not care less. I rather enjoy being at a place that has both, there's a lot to be learned from each other. As long as there's ample case volume and there are no issues with staff retention it's a moot point.

 

[vasc2020]

What's everyone's thoughts about programs with concurrent 0+5 training. I know there are pros and cons. But how are you factoring this into decisions. Good luck all.

PS: Good resource for all the endovascular stuff. Great reviews. Hastens grasp of the simple stuff and move unto the more complex.

-Basics of Wire and Catheter Based Procedures for Beginners

I’d say it depends; I’m an integrated senior resident and we do not have fellows as they were phased out. Our volume supports an integrated residency very well but would be painful to have both in our current set up. Just make sure there is enough volume and “separation” so that you all don’t cross paths too much when it comes to cases you both want to do. Other people from other programs have said there can be a fair amount of friction. I would just say to look at how an individual program is set up.

 

[vanasme]

Could not care less. I rather enjoy being at a place that has both, there's a lot to be learned from each other. As long as there's ample case volume and there are no issues with staff retention it's a moot point.

I feel similarly. I'm currently at a general surgery residency with an integrated vascular program but no fellowship. The case volume is certainly high enough to support the addition of a fellow. The amount of friction, in my opinion, would be dependent on the fellow. The reality that I don't think a lot of general surgery trained fellows want to admit is that most junior level vascular residents have more vascular experience and technical skill than they do (but I can't imagine a vascular junior doing complex laparoscopy, different skill sets). So the fellow would have to put their ego aside and understand that in some ways, they're "equivalent" to a junior-level resident. The other issue is that attendings have been working with the vascular surgery residents for years; they know each other and have built up a relationship. As the fellow, you're "the new guy" (or girl) and you'll have to build that relationship from scratch.

I'm looking at programs both with stand alone fellowships and with integrated residencies. It'll be interesting to speak with current fellows about the logistics of working with vascular residents (one perk, I imagine, is a larger call pool).

 

[vanasme]

Is anyone still waiting on letters of recommendation? I have 2 out of 4 available, another thats been uploaded, but still being processed by EFDO, and another that hasn't been uploaded by letter writer (who also happens to be my program director ). Otherwise my application is done and I can submit today. Anyone else in a similar predicament? Thoughts on submitting with missing letters vs waiting until all are available? Not sure how/if this process differs from residency.

 

[LucidSplash]

What's everyone's thoughts about programs with concurrent 0+5 training. I know there are pros and cons. But how are you factoring this into decisions. Good luck all.

PS: Good resource for all the endovascular stuff. Great reviews. Hastens grasp of the simple stuff and move unto the more complex.

-Basics of Wire and Catheter Based Procedures for Beginners

Not a fellow anymore, but did fellowship at a place that had both 0+5 and 5+2. Residency at a place with just fellows. Currently work at a place that has both, but due to my specific location I mostly only interact with the PGY3 0+5.

I think it will depend on how your program sets it up. IMHO Ideally the integrated 4/5 are treated equal to the 1st/2nd year fellows. Both have some experience that the other doesn’t at the beginning of the PGY4 vs 1st year fellow years, but a lot of that evens out pretty quickly. As long as there is adequate volume and distribution of rotations for everyone, I don’t think it makes a difference.

 

[Moon Beams]

Is anyone still waiting on letters of recommendation? I have 2 out of 4 available, another thats been uploaded, but still being processed by EFDO, and another that hasn't been uploaded by letter writer (who also happens to be my program director ). Otherwise my application is done and I can submit today. Anyone else in a similar predicament? Thoughts on submitting with missing letters vs waiting until all are available? Not sure how/if this process differs from residency.

I don't have much of an answer but I'm in a similar boat. Still waiting on 1 LoR to be uploaded in order to complete/submit my application. Would've liked to have had it all submitted today too. But what can ya do. I'm hoping that the fellowships are more laid back in reviewing applications than gen surg residency seemed to be. I remember everyone making a big deal out submitting your residency application ASAP, but I'm hoping it's not that strict for fellowship.

 

[fenestratedbutpus]

Is anyone still waiting on letters of recommendation? I have 2 out of 4 available, another thats been uploaded, but still being processed by EFDO, and another that hasn't been uploaded by letter writer (who also happens to be my program director ). Otherwise my application is done and I can submit today. Anyone else in a similar predicament? Thoughts on submitting with missing letters vs waiting until all are available? Not sure how/if this process differs from residency.

I submitted mine with missing letters (2 submitted, waiting on 2 - 1 is uploaded but no available by EFDO, the other hasn't even been written) and all of my EFDO documents are still "processing". You can add on the letters after you've submitted I'm told by current medical students who used ERAS. I hope it's true, because I didn't verify this with ERAS, so I may have shot myself in the foot.

 

[Lilizapit89]

Anyone get any interviews yet?

 

[versajet]

Regarding letters I can attest #1 you can upload them at any time so submit without them if you need to #2 i know for sure that one of my coresidents last year was offered the majority of his interviews with only 2 letters (one writer notoriously tardy) and #3 we keep a spreadsheet of interview invite dates from past applicants and while the vast majority seem to be in December and January there are some outliers. That being said today is still tremendously early; maybe something next week...

 

[fenestratedbutpus]

Anyone get any interviews yet?

I got one but its too early to start counting and comparing, enjoy some wine and breathe easy. It's an easy match, it'll all work out.

 

[dandoony7]

I got one but its too early to start counting and comparing, enjoy some wine and breathe easy. It's an easy match, it'll all work out.

I hope so. Any point in adding programs now you think?

 

[fenestratedbutpus]

Sure, if you've got money you don't mind losing, go for it! As always, the worst they can do is say "no."

 

[dandoony7]

Sure, if you've got money you don't mind losing, go for it! As always, the worst they can do is say "no."

thanks

 

[versajet]

I think you can certainly add because there are plenty of programs that haven’t even decided who they’re interviewing at this point. One thing—your experience may vary— I think that it’s many people’s tendencies to apply first to the places they’re really actually interested in and then get nervous and scramble a bit and add a few more.. and then end up with enough interviews anyway and cancel many of those add-ons. That being said it’s just money; go for it if you think it’s what you want to do; it’s definitely not futile at this point.

 

[SBSurgeon]

Figured I would start a list out of curiosity, feel free to add on.

U Minnesota
Virginia Commonwealth
U Miami
Loyola
Thomas Jefferson

 

[versajet]

I guess we should commence in standard fashion:


Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Florida - U of Miami
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois - Loyola
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota - U of Minnesota
Missouri
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York - Northwell SI,
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma - OU
Oregon
Pennsylvania - Thomas Jefferson
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia - VCU
West Virginia
Washington
Washington DC
Wisconsin

 

[ClassO17]

Guess there is no point in everyone being shy and waiting for other people to post, adding to the list

Oklahoma university
Northwell Staten Island

 

[fenestratedbutpus]

Hey everyone- I have been meaning to post this for a while but didn't know how to phrase it, so....

Fellowship interview trail is all about word of mouth, to get the "inside scoop" on what a program is really like- either by other applicants and/or the fellows.

Has anyone thought of ways we can do this this year in the virtual interview season?

I guess people could post on here what program(s) they want to know more about and we can post our impressions but I fear this may "out" many of us. Any ideas??

 

[lubwub]

More for the list:

Geisinger in Danville, PA
Missouri University in Columbia, MO

 

[Tiger42]

Add Ochsner

 

[Lilizapit89]

Pennsylvania Hospital

 

[versajet]

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Florida - U of Miami
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois - Loyola
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana - Ochsner
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota - U of Minnesota
Missouri - Missouri University,
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York - Northwell SI,
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio - Toledo Hospital
Oklahoma - OU
Oregon
Pennsylvania - Thomas Jefferson, Geisinger, Pennsylvania Hospital
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia - VCU
West Virginia
Washington
Washington DC
Wisconsin

 

[billy-rubin]

Ohio- Toledo hospital
Was offering through ERAS, didn’t get an email.

 

[Lilizapit89]

‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp Group: Vascular Fellowship 2021

WhatsApp group

 

[versajet]

Adding Carolinas in Charlotte NC

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Florida - U of Miami
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois - Loyola
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana - Ochsner
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota - U of Minnesota
Missouri - Missouri University,
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York - Northwell SI,
North Carolina - Carolinas
North Dakota
Ohio - Toledo Hospital
Oklahoma - OU
Oregon
Pennsylvania - Thomas Jefferson, Geisinger, Pennsylvania Hospital
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia - VCU
West Virginia
Washington
Washington DC
Wisconsin

 

[fenestratedbutpus]

Aw man, was really hoping for an interview invite from Carolinas.

Based on what you guys know, did most programs do just one wave of interviews or were there multiple waves?

 

[fenestratedbutpus]

Adding University of Utah

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Florida - U of Miami
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois - Loyola
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana - Ochsner
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota - U of Minnesota
Missouri - Missouri University,
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York - Northwell SI,
North Carolina - Carolinas
North Dakota
Ohio - Toledo Hospital
Oklahoma - OU
Oregon
Pennsylvania - Thomas Jefferson, Geisinger, Pennsylvania Hospital
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah- University of Utah
Vermont
Virginia - VCU
West Virginia
Washington
Washington DC
Wisconsin

 

[Tiger42]

Adding:
Rush
Vermont

 

[fenestratedbutpus]

but you didn't add it...

 

[Tiger42]

😐

 

[versajet]

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Florida - U of Miami
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois - Loyola, Rush
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana - Ochsner
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota - U of Minnesota
Missouri - Missouri University,
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York - Northwell SI, Maimonides
North Carolina - Carolinas
North Dakota
Ohio - Toledo Hospital
Oklahoma - OU
Oregon
Pennsylvania - Thomas Jefferson, Geisinger, Pennsylvania Hospital
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah- University of Utah
Vermont - University of Vermont
Virginia - VCU
West Virginia
Washington
Washington DC
Wisconsin

 

[ubipus]

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Florida - Miami Jackson
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois - Loyola, Rush
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Missouri - U of Missouri
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York - Northwell, Maimonides
North Carolina - Carolinas
North Dakota
Ohio - Jobst Toledo
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania - Geisinger
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia - VCU
West Virginia
Washington
Washington DC
Wisconsin - MCW

 

[billy-rubin]

UCLA- harbor

 

[fenestratedbutpus]

UCLA- harbor

has anyone heard anything about what its like to train here?

 

[ubipus]

Rutgers NJ

 

[SBSurgeon]

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California - UCLA Harbor, Cedars-Sinai
Colorado
Connecticut
Florida - U of Miami
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois - Loyola, Rush
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana - Ochsner
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota - U of Minnesota
Missouri - Missouri University,
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey - Rutgers
New Mexico
New York - Northwell SI, Maimonides
North Carolina - Carolinas
North Dakota
Ohio - Toledo Hospital
Oklahoma - OU
Oregon
Pennsylvania - Thomas Jefferson, Geisinger, Pennsylvania Hospital, Temple
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah- University of Utah
Vermont - University of Vermont
Virginia - VCU
West Virginia
Washington
Washington DC
Wisconsin - MCW

 

[fenestratedbutpus]

UPMC waitlist

 

[SBSurgeon]

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California - UCLA Harbor, Cedars-Sinai
Colorado
Connecticut
Florida - U of Miami
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois - Loyola, Rush
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana - Ochsner
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota - U of Minnesota
Missouri - Missouri University,
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey - Rutgers
New Mexico
New York - Northwell SI, Maimonides
North Carolina - Carolinas
North Dakota
Ohio - Toledo Hospital
Oklahoma - OU
Oregon
Pennsylvania - Thomas Jefferson, Geisinger, Pennsylvania Hospital, Temple
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah- University of Utah
Vermont - University of Vermont
Virginia - VCU, U Virginia
West Virginia
Washington
Washington DC
Wisconsin - MCW

 

[ExtraAnatomical]

Add:
Abbott Northwesestern in Minneapolis
Boston University

 

[Cadamsapples]

Loma Linda
University of Chicago

 

[lubwub]

Albany Med
Englewood Health

 

[SBSurgeon]

Dartmouth
NYU

 

[SBSurgeon]

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California - UCLA Harbor, Cedars-Sinai, Loma Linda
Colorado
Connecticut
Florida - U of Miami
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois - Loyola, Rush, U Chicago
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana - Ochsner
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts - Boston U
Michigan
Minnesota - U of Minnesota, Abbott NW,
Missouri - Missouri University,
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire - Dartmouth
New Jersey - Rutgers, Englewood, Albany
New Mexico
New York - Northwell SI, Maimonides, NYU
North Carolina - Carolinas
North Dakota
Ohio - Toledo Hospital
Oklahoma - OU
Oregon
Pennsylvania - Thomas Jefferson, Geisinger, Pennsylvania Hospital, Temple
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah- University of Utah
Vermont - University of Vermont
Virginia - VCU, U Virginia
West Virginia
Washington
Washington DC
Wisconsin - MCW

 

[ExtraAnatomical]

Upstate, Syracuse NY
Staten Island U NY
West Virginia U

 

[dandoony7]

UW not participating in the match this year?

 

[Tiger42]

Not sure why UW not participating. But very unfortunate.
Been away for several days but looks like the following has also sent out interviews:
St Luke’s
Houston Methodist
Johns Hopkins
Wake Forest
UNMC
UAMS

 

[dandoony7]

Not sure why UW not participating. But very unfortunate.
Been away for several days but looks like the following has also sent out interviews:
St Luke’s
Houston Methodist
Johns Hopkins
Wake Forest
UNMC
UAMS

U of Arkansas
U of Florida (Gainesville)
U of Washington - word is they took an internal candidate

 

[ClassO17]

Alabama
Beaumont

 

[dandoony7]

Anyone getting rejections? Mine - JH and UTSW