VCU - Can you moonlight?

[jumparound32]

hey everybody,

can you moonlight if you are a resident at virginia commonwealth univ (VCU) in internal medicine? I'm applying next year, and was trying to stay in Virginia. Can you moon light at Univ. of Virginia (UVA)? This is very important to me and my family.

Thank You!

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[txoncdoc]

You can generally find information about whether or not an institution will let you moonlight on FREIDA.

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/2997.html

 

[HomerSD]

Sheesh, a 10 sec search on Google would have answered your question:

Moonlighting at VCU

Moonlighting at U of V (2/3rds down the page):

Moonlighting
The Graduate Medical Education Committee of the Medical Center believes that moonlighting by Housestaff members is generally inconsistent with the educational objectives of their training. However, because the need for extramural professional activities may vary according to the educational objectives of the clinical departments to which residents are assigned, each Department Chair is required to determine the appropriateness of such activities within the Department's educational objectives and to incorporate these activities into the residents' programs.

 

[gutonc]

hey everybody,

can you moonlight if you are a resident at virginia commonwealth univ (VCU) in internal medicine? I'm applying next year, and was trying to stay in Virginia. Can you moon light at Univ. of Virginia (UVA)? This is very important to me and my family.

Thank You!

Keeping in mind of course that you won't be able to moonlight at all until at least your PGY2 year and then only if you've taken and passed Step 3 and gotten your state license (a 2-6 month process after Step 3 depending on the state). This also assumes you're an AMG, FMGs need 3y PGY training to get a state license in VA.

 

[Dr. Wexler]

Keeping in mind of course that you won't be able to moonlight at all until at least your PGY2 year and then only if you've taken and passed Step 3 and gotten your state license (a 2-6 month process after Step 3 depending on the state). This also assumes you're an AMG, FMGs need 3y PGY training to get a state license in VA.

I believe there are some programs that have internal moonlighting as a PGY1. This may be specialty dependent. Obviously external moonlighting would require a license.

 

[gutonc]

I believe there are some programs that have internal moonlighting as a PGY1. This may be specialty dependent. Obviously external moonlighting would require a license.

True, we used to have this but b/c of JCAHO concerns about unsupervised, unlicensed physicians this went away. As the JC continues to step harder and harder on hospitals nads, this sort of thing will probably disappear across the board.

In general, if you want to moonlight, you need a license whether it's internal or external. We have at least 4 different moonlighting options for IM docs at our 2 hospitals and they all require a full license.

 

[Dr. Wexler]

True, we used to have this but b/c of JCAHO concerns about unsupervised, unlicensed physicians this went away. As the JC continues to step harder and harder on hospitals nads, this sort of thing will probably disappear across the board.

That's interesting. The PGY1 internal moonlighting I'm familiar with are things like working extra time in the fast-track(EM) or staying late to do cases (Anes). In both positions, PGY1s were functioning as they would during "normal teaching time", ie they had the same amount of supervision they would have had if they were doing a case but not moonlighting. Not sure if these particular options are still available to PGY1s, but I personally see no reason why it shouldn't be allowed. Of course JCAHO might see things differently in their infinite wisdom.

 

[gutonc]

That's interesting. The PGY1 internal moonlighting I'm familiar with are things like working extra time in the fast-track(EM) or staying late to do cases (Anes). In both positions, PGY1s were functioning as they would during "normal teaching time", ie they had the same amount of supervision they would have had if they were doing a case but not moonlighting. Not sure if these particular options are still available to PGY1s, but I personally see no reason why it shouldn't be allowed. Of course JCAHO might see things differently in their infinite wisdom.

See, where I come from, those are called "being a resident" and you don't get paid extra for them.