VCU Cert 2011-2012

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Wheredja get this info? just your own research or is there something liek this for most of the schools already out there?

No, unfortunately I threw this together myself. It would be nice, however, to construct an exhaustive list. Maybe this summer (after classes are finished) I'll throw one together.
 
For those who got accepted into the program, do you need to go to VCU for an interview? Or is it once you are accepted, you're already in?
 
For those who got accepted into the program, do you need to go to VCU for an interview? Or is it once you are accepted, you're already in?

Nope, no interview needed. Simply a flat-out acceptance (not even a seat deposit required 🙂). The only condition is you must accept or decline by June 1st.
 
Nope, no interview needed. Simply a flat-out acceptance (not even a seat deposit required 🙂). The only condition is you must accept or decline by June 1st.

Is that a binding decision?

Also, judging by your activity in the VCU threads, is that your plan for next year? Just curious.
 
Is that a binding decision?
You mean to accept or decline their acceptance offer? I doubt it's legally binding, but it would be sort of sly to accept and then pull out after June.

Also, judging by your activity in the VCU threads, is that your plan for next year? Just curious.
Maybe, still waiting to hear back from a few more programs. I am always on the forums, though, which explains my frequent activity on the thread 😉
 
Hey guys,

Got referenced to this thread by aSagacious. I'm in this program this year and continuing on to an MS at VCU next year while reapplying. For those who are interested, here are my general thoughts on the program:

If you haven't taken a graduate course's load or don't have a strong study ethic, the first semester of the program can be particularly difficult. Some of the faculty say it's even harder than med school, although personally that's hard to imagine. Unless med school's not as hard as it's made out to be. I think this has more to do with the stress of feeling like your performance will dictate your chances at medical school than it does the workload or the program's pace. Probably a combination of the two.

So it is challenging and more to test your stamina handling the course load, but not so challenging that people weren't keeping part time jobs or volunteering (against initial advice) while in the program and still performing well. It's not a chance to raise you GPA, if that's what you're really hoping for, unless you're going to work hard at it.

Something to note: The guaranteed interview for the 3.5 GPA is only at the end of two semester. That's not to say you might not be offered an interview earlier, which some like myself did have, just that it's not guaranteed.

And I would warn that although the interview is guaranteed, that's still not a seat. Apparently you have to not be crazy, come off as socially inept, or awkward during the interview.

Nice things about the program: you meet a lot of the faculty that are involved with the med class and teach the same courses between med school and the grad school. You also meet a handful of faculty involved in the admission committee, so be sure to talk to them and ASK FOR LETTERS. Finally, it also gets you in the door for a masters, as many students opt to do, or even continue into PhD if things don't work out or you have a change of heart.

Other thing to consider: the courses you take are directed at graduates in various biological disciples, not medical students or pre-meds. So while there's some clinical correlation, expect more basic science background with scientific methods. This is especially true with the appropriately named "supercourse" biochem which is a prerequisite for practically every degree granting program at the school (so it's a very comprehensive survey course that often feels more like "Scientific methods" and microbiology than your traditional biochemsitry.)

Old exams:
Physiology exams are kept under lock-and-key for the previous 5 or 6 years, past exams are given for years prior to that and usually represent the material well enough but not always. They also are switching out k-type questions. Histology is changing up the whole course next year, our exams were powerpoint with 1 min questions and no going back (strongly encouraged course but not prereq). Biochem exams are handed back and older ones exist, for most of the faculty: same question types when not ad verbum, often just changing answer choices (positive AAs versus negative, cooperative vs competitive, etc.) There's enough variation that you actually need to appreciate the material rather than memorize past exams (although that may pass you as well, just not with an A).

Anyways, I'm happy I ended up doing this, even though I had the interview and didn't get the offer. The faculty are mostly amazing, they're very supportive and for the most part are friendly and approachable.

If you guys/gals have specific questions I'll try to check back and answer. If you end up attending next year, send me a PM at some point and hunt me down if you have any questions or need help with anything. Especially with the physiology or histology courses, those were my favorite.
 
Sort of a random question, but when you submit an application:

1) Does it send any email to the people you listed as reccomenders? Like an auto-email saying "this student said you were a reccomender" or something like that? Or will they not receive any notification?

2) Can you edit the application after it's been submitted and paid for (reccomenders mainly is what I'm concerned with)

I ask because I have a handful of people who said they could write a recommendation at different places but I picked certain ones for VCU and it might change around.
 
1) Does it send any email to the people you listed as recommenders? Like an auto-email saying "this student said you were a recommender" or something like that? Or will they not receive any notification?
Yes, if you use the form provided by VCU it will send an email to the LOR writers. However, if you use letters already obtained from your prior applications cycle (interfolio, etc) they will not be contacted.


2) Can you edit the application after it's been submitted and paid for (recommenders mainly is what I'm concerned with)
I don't think that the application can be tampered with after it is paid for and submitted, though you can send them updates (new grades, letters, etc).
 
Hey guys,

Got referenced to this thread by aSagacious. I'm in this program this year and continuing on to an MS at VCU next year while reapplying. For those who are interested, here are my general thoughts on the program:

If you haven't taken a graduate course's load or don't have a strong study ethic, the first semester of the program can be particularly difficult. Some of the faculty say it's even harder than med school, although personally that's hard to imagine. Unless med school's not as hard as it's made out to be. I think this has more to do with the stress of feeling like your performance will dictate your chances at medical school than it does the workload or the program's pace. Probably a combination of the two.

So it is challenging and more to test your stamina handling the course load, but not so challenging that people weren't keeping part time jobs or volunteering (against initial advice) while in the program and still performing well. It's not a chance to raise you GPA, if that's what you're really hoping for, unless you're going to work hard at it.

Something to note: The guaranteed interview for the 3.5 GPA is only at the end of two semester. That's not to say you might not be offered an interview earlier, which some like myself did have, just that it's not guaranteed.

And I would warn that although the interview is guaranteed, that's still not a seat. Apparently you have to not be crazy, come off as socially inept, or awkward during the interview.

Nice things about the program: you meet a lot of the faculty that are involved with the med class and teach the same courses between med school and the grad school. You also meet a handful of faculty involved in the admission committee, so be sure to talk to them and ASK FOR LETTERS. Finally, it also gets you in the door for a masters, as many students opt to do, or even continue into PhD if things don't work out or you have a change of heart.

Other thing to consider: the courses you take are directed at graduates in various biological disciples, not medical students or pre-meds. So while there's some clinical correlation, expect more basic science background with scientific methods. This is especially true with the appropriately named "supercourse" biochem which is a prerequisite for practically every degree granting program at the school (so it's a very comprehensive survey course that often feels more like "Scientific methods" and microbiology than your traditional biochemsitry.)

Old exams:
Physiology exams are kept under lock-and-key for the previous 5 or 6 years, past exams are given for years prior to that and usually represent the material well enough but not always. They also are switching out k-type questions. Histology is changing up the whole course next year, our exams were powerpoint with 1 min questions and no going back (strongly encouraged course but not prereq). Biochem exams are handed back and older ones exist, for most of the faculty: same question types when not ad verbum, often just changing answer choices (positive AAs versus negative, cooperative vs competitive, etc.) There's enough variation that you actually need to appreciate the material rather than memorize past exams (although that may pass you as well, just not with an A).

Anyways, I'm happy I ended up doing this, even though I had the interview and didn't get the offer. The faculty are mostly amazing, they're very supportive and for the most part are friendly and approachable.

If you guys/gals have specific questions I'll try to check back and answer. If you end up attending next year, send me a PM at some point and hunt me down if you have any questions or need help with anything. Especially with the physiology or histology courses, those were my favorite.

I was reading the old threads about the VCU cert program and most students were discouraging future students to register for histology. Apparently the course used microscopes rather than digital images that are used in medical school so the class was incredibly time-consuming. This made it significantly more difficult to get a 4.0 first semester with physiology, biochem, and histology. I understand that it would look great to take these three courses first semester and earn a 4.0, but it was also recommended to take an easier course load the first semester and get a 4.0 in physiology, biochem and the easier course rather than risk getting a B in one of the courses by taking the harder course load.

Due to the changes in histology, is it now advised to take histology rather than another elective?
 
Another question...

Did anyone from your class get accepted to VCU during the program?
 
Did anyone from your class get accepted to VCU during the program?

I wish I hadn't deleted the email from the program director, but from what he told me about 30 students applied to a professional school while enrolled in the program (15 MD/DO, 15 dental), ~1/2 of which were accepted. The rest (maybe 60 or so) wait to apply until they finished the program.
 
I was reading the old threads about the VCU cert program and most students were discouraging future students to register for histology. Apparently the course used microscopes rather than digital images that are used in medical school so the class was incredibly time-consuming. This made it significantly more difficult to get a 4.0 first semester with physiology, biochem, and histology. I understand that it would look great to take these three courses first semester and earn a 4.0, but it was also recommended to take an easier course load the first semester and get a 4.0 in physiology, biochem and the easier course rather than risk getting a B in one of the courses by taking the harder course load.

Due to the changes in histology, is it now advised to take histology rather than another elective?

Next year's histology will be all digital and no time will be spent in the lab, instead there will be a TA directed course in which the TAs go online and use histology software (which you will also be given) and online slides to show you everything. Personally I thought histology was the easiest course of the three and would highly recommend taking it. Most, but not all, of the images that are on the exam are the same ones that you see on the software they give you. The professors also give you all the information that could possibly be on the exam in an outline. If its not mentioned on that outline then its not on the exam.
 
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Next year's histology will be all digital and no time will be spent in the lab, instead there will be a TA directed course in which the TAs go online and use histology software (which you will also be given) and online slides to show you everything. Personally I thought histology was the easiest course of the three and would highly recommend taking it. Most, but not all, of the images that are on the exam are the same ones that you see on the software they give you. The professors also give you all the information that could possibly be on the exam in an outline. If its not mentioned on that outline then its not on the exam.

Missing Tooth = +1 Karma. I wish this was Reddit. 👍 Thanks for the info.
 
Sorry, I have another question about applying

I submitted my app online.

The website says to send a packet with transcripts, scores, and rec letters, but I'm not sure if this is outdated since they also say to submit a personal statement/instate app as if they were hard copies but I did those online too.

1) Does that mean I should have all transcripts sent to ME so I can collect them in 1 packet, including an additional GRE score report, and then send everything all at once from my own house? Or should I have them sent to the address VCU provides?

2) If my recomenders are submitting their letters via email, do they need to do anything besides listing my name and program in the subject line with their reccomendation in the body?

It just seems like a lot of stuff on their site seems redundant because the a lot of it was covered online, and I'm worried about getting my rec letters and test scores to them.
 
Sorry, I have another question about applying

I submitted my app online.

The website says to send a packet with transcripts, scores, and rec letters, but I'm not sure if this is outdated since they also say to submit a personal statement/instate app as if they were hard copies but I did those online too.

1) Does that mean I should have all transcripts sent to ME so I can collect them in 1 packet, including an additional GRE score report, and then send everything all at once from my own house? Or should I have them sent to the address VCU provides?

2) If my recomenders are submitting their letters via email, do they need to do anything besides listing my name and program in the subject line with their reccomendation in the body?

It just seems like a lot of stuff on their site seems redundant because the a lot of it was covered online, and I'm worried about getting my rec letters and test scores to them.
Send transcripts, scores, and letters (if interfolio) directly to VCU. I did not send a hard copy of my PS, should be fine to submit it online only. I listed my letter writers and their emails through the app but since the program director had told me they preferred having letters (as opposed to the recommendation form), my recommenders emailed them (to someone named King).
 
Is there a number that I can call to find out if my application's been reviewed? It's been a few weeks since I've turned in my application so I'm starting to get anxious. Or is it better to just wait it out? >< I wonder how long it should take before I hear back....
 
Hey guys,

Got referenced to this thread by aSagacious. I'm in this program this year and continuing on to an MS at VCU next year while reapplying. For those who are interested, here are my general thoughts on the program:

If you haven't taken a graduate course's load or don't have a strong study ethic, the first semester of the program can be particularly difficult. Some of the faculty say it's even harder than med school, although personally that's hard to imagine. Unless med school's not as hard as it's made out to be. I think this has more to do with the stress of feeling like your performance will dictate your chances at medical school than it does the workload or the program's pace. Probably a combination of the two.

So it is challenging and more to test your stamina handling the course load, but not so challenging that people weren't keeping part time jobs or volunteering (against initial advice) while in the program and still performing well. It's not a chance to raise you GPA, if that's what you're really hoping for, unless you're going to work hard at it.

Something to note: The guaranteed interview for the 3.5 GPA is only at the end of two semester. That's not to say you might not be offered an interview earlier, which some like myself did have, just that it's not guaranteed.

And I would warn that although the interview is guaranteed, that's still not a seat. Apparently you have to not be crazy, come off as socially inept, or awkward during the interview.

Nice things about the program: you meet a lot of the faculty that are involved with the med class and teach the same courses between med school and the grad school. You also meet a handful of faculty involved in the admission committee, so be sure to talk to them and ASK FOR LETTERS. Finally, it also gets you in the door for a masters, as many students opt to do, or even continue into PhD if things don't work out or you have a change of heart.

Other thing to consider: the courses you take are directed at graduates in various biological disciples, not medical students or pre-meds. So while there's some clinical correlation, expect more basic science background with scientific methods. This is especially true with the appropriately named "supercourse" biochem which is a prerequisite for practically every degree granting program at the school (so it's a very comprehensive survey course that often feels more like "Scientific methods" and microbiology than your traditional biochemsitry.)

Old exams:
Physiology exams are kept under lock-and-key for the previous 5 or 6 years, past exams are given for years prior to that and usually represent the material well enough but not always. They also are switching out k-type questions. Histology is changing up the whole course next year, our exams were powerpoint with 1 min questions and no going back (strongly encouraged course but not prereq). Biochem exams are handed back and older ones exist, for most of the faculty: same question types when not ad verbum, often just changing answer choices (positive AAs versus negative, cooperative vs competitive, etc.) There's enough variation that you actually need to appreciate the material rather than memorize past exams (although that may pass you as well, just not with an A).

Anyways, I'm happy I ended up doing this, even though I had the interview and didn't get the offer. The faculty are mostly amazing, they're very supportive and for the most part are friendly and approachable.

If you guys/gals have specific questions I'll try to check back and answer. If you end up attending next year, send me a PM at some point and hunt me down if you have any questions or need help with anything. Especially with the physiology or histology courses, those were my favorite.

This is pretty accurate. I did the program 2 years ago (2008-2009) and would agree with this. I'm now at a top 20 med school and would be inclined to say the workload in med school is larger, but the material is on par with this program. That being said, I felt incredibly prepared for my classes where I am now having done (and done well) at this program. Hands down, the physiology course helped the most. The biochem/cell-molecular helps, but that stuff is less important when it comes to 2nd/3rd year medical school classes. Having Dr. Costanzo (Linda) teach Physiology was a huge upper hand in my opinion. For those of you who don't recognize the name, she writes the BRS Physiology book for USMLE Step 1 review. I didn't take histology so I can't really comment on this...looking at microscopes sounds god awful though. If they really have switched to digital, I'd recommend taking it, as it will definitely help throughout MS1-2.

I was reading the old threads about the VCU cert program and most students were discouraging future students to register for histology. Apparently the course used microscopes rather than digital images that are used in medical school so the class was incredibly time-consuming. This made it significantly more difficult to get a 4.0 first semester with physiology, biochem, and histology. I understand that it would look great to take these three courses first semester and earn a 4.0, but it was also recommended to take an easier course load the first semester and get a 4.0 in physiology, biochem and the easier course rather than risk getting a B in one of the courses by taking the harder course load. Due to the changes in histology, is it now advised to take histology rather than another elective?

See my comments above. One thing to keep in mind, is that this program can make, or break you. If you do exceptionally well, you're going to be in great shape for admission to med/dental school. If you get a 2.5-3.0, it's probably going to hurt your chances unless you smoked the MCAT. If you get a 3.2-3.5, it probably won't do a whole lot except help you in taking the MCAT and providing LORs. If you are going to do this, or any, post-bacc program you need to be: 1) completely dedicated to doing well in the program (which may include studying much more than you have before) and 2) dedicated to whatever your end-goal is (med school, dental school, PA school, etc). If you aren't sure about either, you need to rethink spending the $. I know this has nothing to do with histology but is related to whether you should take the hardest courses or not. I'm not saying you should or shouldn't but just some things to consider.

Another question...

Did anyone from your class get accepted to VCU during the program?
There were probably 3-7 people during my tenure that got in and several (10-12) more have gotten in after either finishing their masters or doing something else for a year after the program. Several people also got into other schools, myself included, during the program (Schools I can think of: EVMS, UNC, George Washington, and some others..)

Hope this helps with any questions/concerns
 
has the application site been acting wonky for anyone? i cant get on it through firefox anymore, i gotta open up IE to get to my app 😱
 
I'm using Google Chrome and it seems to be working fine for me. Clear your cookies and cache maybe?
 
definietly did...something may have happened to my FF. works fine in IE, not FF anymore.
 
Do students in this VCU postbacc apply to med school while they are in the program so they matriculate the fall after they finish or do they have to wait another year?
 
I figured out the problem was because I had some spyware haha.

Anyway, I have one more question:
I have to make some changes to my app but its already submitted..am I SOL or can I make them? First of all, I need to swap a reccomender out with someone else. Secondly, I need to change my current address since I moved out from my college apartment.

Is there any way to do any of this? I know for BU MAMS, it lets me delete and change addresses relatively easily, but VCU has no option to go back to my application..
 
Do students in this VCU postbacc apply to med school while they are in the program so they matriculate the fall after they finish or do they have to wait another year?

It all depends on how strong you think your application is. For some applicants who have enough clinical experience, decent GPA, and decent MCAT they should apply. There were a handful of cert students last year who got accepted into med school during their second semester in the cert program. If you fall into this category VCU takes into account your first semester GPA in the post-bac program.

I think about 2/3rd of the students apply to med school during the post-bac program. Not because all of them are competitive but because they just want to roll the dice and see if they can get lucky and land an interview.
 
I figured out the problem was because I had some spyware haha.

Anyway, I have one more question:
I have to make some changes to my app but its already submitted..am I SOL or can I make them? First of all, I need to swap a reccomender out with someone else. Secondly, I need to change my current address since I moved out from my college apartment.

Is there any way to do any of this? I know for BU MAMS, it lets me delete and change addresses relatively easily, but VCU has no option to go back to my application..

I had a similar problem where I wanted to switch out my LOR from individual LORs to a composite letter from the committee at my school. I e-mailed the program administrator to make sure it was ok and he said it was. I would e-mail [email protected] and tell him what happened and what you want to change. He is a great source of information. He'll help you with almost anything relating to the cert program.
 
For those that are applying this cycle, how are you mentioning the CERT program on your AMCAS application?
 
Not 100% sure if this is correct but I have this as of now:

Virginia Commonwealth University - Premedical Graduate Certificate Program
Richmond, Virginia
Dates Attended: August 2011 to May 2012
Advisor Release: Permitted
Degree: No Degree Expected
Major: No Major
Minor: No Minor
Transcript Required: No
 
For anyone's who has been in the program, anything you can tell me about the on-campus housing would be awesome.

I'm just hearing alot about the off campus housing and is wondering if there aren't alot of CERT students living in the halls (like Bear Hall, Rudd Hall.. etc)
 
For anyone's who has been in the program, anything you can tell me about the on-campus housing would be awesome.

I'm just hearing alot about the off campus housing and is wondering if there aren't alot of CERT students living in the halls (like Bear Hall, Rudd Hall.. etc)

I think most of the students in the CERT program who end up living in the on campus housing are usually out of state students since they are unable to go to Virginia and get a good look of the area and the available places to live.
 
So how many people have been accepted and are definitely doing this program? If not previously mentioned what kind of stats do you have, and what are your housing plans? Thanks!
 
I'm definitely doing the program. No clue about housing though, waiting on a friend to hear back from the program before I start looking. I've got a 3.38 OA, 3.33 BCMP, and a 29M. I'd like to go ahead and register for classes but I havent gotten any information about my eID or whatever it is we need.
 
I decided to go with this program as well. For stats see MDApps. I'll be staying at this apartment. It's a bit of a drive, but I like the area so far (I've been living here for about 3 weeks now).
 
I decided to go with this program as well. For stats see MDApps. I'll be staying at this apartment. It's a bit of a drive, but I like the area so far (I've been living here for about 3 weeks now).

I am familiar with the area. It is a nice area, I live close to the mall. I hope I get into the program, I just submitted my application last week.
 
I'd like to go ahead and register for classes but I havent gotten any information about my eID or whatever it is we need.

In your letter of admission they should have listed a nine digit number next to your name at the top beginning with a 'V' (V########). Using that number, go to this page to obtain your eID (here is a faq page). If you disposed of the letter without catching the V number, try calling the graduate school admissions office (804-828-6916).

After you obtain your eID, go to myVCU, log in, and click 'eServices/VCU Self Service' to register for classes, etc.

Here's a checklist of errands to take care of once you've obtained your eID. Let me know if you have any other questions along the way.
 
Anyone else register for classes yet? Am I reading it correctly that Physiology meets each day of the week, and twice on Thursday?
 
Haha, yeah. Assuming you go with the big 3 (histo, physio, biochem) each class meets 5 days a week (oh joy!).

Yeah, I'm going with the big 3. Seemed like best option to me. Although having a class that lectures twice in one day is a first for me. 😱
 
at least way back in the day when i did the program, the 2nd thursday "lecture" was actually a review of the weeks material.
 
at least way back in the day when i did the program, the 2nd thursday "lecture" was actually a review of the weeks material.

This sounds like it would be awesome if they are still doing it.
 
A word of advice to everyone starting the program: Hit the ground running.

The material moves fast and you have class every day for each of the major courses. It is very easy to get behind. When I did the program way back in the day, there were a lot of people who thought it was going to be just like undergrad. I assure you it is not. Most of the material is actually easier than upper level bio classes I took but the flow is very, very rapid. Many of the people ended up getting killed on the first set of exams and never recovered... and the first set of exams are some of the easiest.

So review the material everyday and stay on top of it. Everyone is vying for a spot in med/dental school and everyone is looking for that second chance. Take advantage of your second chance.
 
Last year for Physiology the second lecture was still used to review the previous weeks lecture. It was an opportunity to see the question types and ask any questions on subjects you were a little confused about.

Phis lectures were all recorded last year. I HIGHLY recommend you take advantage of this. You should still continue going to class but you should supplement that with re-watching the lectures. 3-4 days before each exam I would watch all the lectures that were going to be covered on that exam. Since I already had seen the material once before, I downloaded the video files and played them at 1.3x speed. This saved me an average of about 12 minutes a lecture x about 12 lectures = 144 minutes. It was especially nice when the professor would normally talk slow and you could speed it up to 1.5x speed. The program I used to speed it up was VLC media player.
 
Do they review applications as they get them or do they do it in a batch? Like, they review all the apps they get one one day per week or something?
 
Do they review applications as they get them or do they do it in a batch? Like, they review all the apps they get one one day per week or something?

I think they review them as they get it, and I say this because I know someone who has gotten an acceptance email on Tuesday, and another person who got it on Wednesday. Additionally, some of the previous posters here said that they got accepted on a Friday.
 
Anybody know which books were going to need for the Big 3/ where we can buy them for a reasonable price?
 
Anybody know which books were going to need for the Big 3/ where we can buy them for a reasonable price?

You can go here and type in your courses to see which books you need:

http://vcumedical.bncollege.com/web...reId=55553&langId=-1&CSRT=9797670610910557276

However, I have heard that you don't really need to buy any books. For physiology all you need is the syllabus, and you may or may not need Lehninger's principles of biochemistry, 5th edition, and Costanzo's Physiology book is a good reference as well. Costanzo used to teach at the school.
 
Congrats and good luck to those who got in! And refer to Instatewaiter's post on hitting the ground running. Spot on.

Anybody know which books were going to need for the Big 3/ where we can buy them for a reasonable price?

Wouldn't worry much about it unless your study style is particularly reliant on textbooks. Physiology print out a detailed "syllabus" which substitutes a text book and can be purchased at a reasonable price at the bookstore. BioC using Leninger's book. Histo might have a textbook, I can't recall if one was recommended or required. Make use of the program they provide for free, though.
 
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